Name This...(298)

[Brady]

???

[Tankerace]

Big freaking US Naval gun, looks like either a 5"/51 Mk 7 or a 6"/53 Mk 9.

[pompack]

Just a wild guess, but if you're gonna guess, might as well be specific [:)]

5"/51 upper deck mount on USS Texas


Also a guess, the picture dates from about 1938.

[Hornblower]

USN 4” L/50 or 5” L/51. I’m inclined to think it’s the 4”

[Tankerace]

ORIGINAL: Hornblower

USN 4” L/50 or 5” L/51. I’m inclined to think it’s the 4”

I don't think so. In doing research for War Plan Orange, all US destroyers armed with the 4"/50 Mk 9 had gunshields, whereas the 5"/51 Mk 7 did not. If it had a shield I'd say 4", but the mounting and lack again makes me inclined to 5"/51 Mk7 or 6"/53 Mk 9, as mounted on the last 3 V boats (Argonaut, Narwhal, and Nautilus).

[anarchyintheuk]

I'll side w/ pompack on this one because texas rules . . . er . . . the USS Texas rules. It's so far out of the water it has to be an upper deck 5'.

[Jorm]

is it a single mount torpedo launcher ?

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Big freaking US Naval gun, looks like either a 5"/51 Mk 7 or a 6"/53 Mk 9.

If we look back at an old Name This - there was a picture of a US sub letting off some troops from the stern, and armed with 6" guns on pedestal mounts (i forget which sub - Nautilus, Narwhal).

Anyway, at that time i remarked that the 6" gun was huge, and that on the pedestal mount it looked like the breach of the gun was higher than the tops of the crew's head, and asked how they could even load such a thing without standing on a crate. This would seem to imply that this is not a 6" gun.

UPDATE: It was Name This #253 - USS Nautilus. Unfortunately, I can't get the picture to load (maybe it was purged?)[&:]

[Drex]

You guys are so good at guessing, so what is the ship behind the gun?

[mlees]

Looks like a four stacker destroyer back there to me.

I'm gonna guess that this a six inch gun. Notice the lifting stanchions behind the sailors. Would these be used for moving the heavy (100-120 lb ammo) shells to the gun? Tiornu? Tankerace?

Staged photo. I don't think anybody actually works a gun in their dress whites.

[Tankerace]

If its a destroyer, its one of a handful of about 20 Clemson class Flush Deckers rearmed with the 5"/51 in all four positions. Most of these were either lost at Honda Point in 1923 (Based out of San Pedro and Mare Island) or converted to the APDs, DMs, DMSs, and AVPs we all know and love.

If its a sub its either V-4 (Argonaut), V-5 (Narwhal) or V6 (Nautilus).

If its a sub, I think the conning tower is to close to the gun, so my guess (again, if a sub) is Argonaut.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

If its a destroyer, its one of a handful of about 20 Clemson class Flush Deckers rearmed with the 5"/51 in all four positions. Most of these were either lost at Honda Point in 1923 (Based out of San Pedro and Mare Island) or converted to the APDs, DMs, DMSs, and AVPs we all know and love.

If its a sub its either V-4 (Argonaut), V-5 (Narwhal) or V6 (Nautilus).

If its a sub, I think the conning tower is to close to the gun, so my guess (again, if a sub) is Argonaut.

Why could this not be a secondary gun on a larger ship?

[Tiornu]

It looks like the 5in/51 to me. I don't believe it's a V-boat; I don't recall seeing any subs with a "toe board" (for lack of better term) at the edge of the deck. The 5in/51 served aboard quite a variety of ships at various times: aircraft carriers, auxiliaries, subs, etc.

[Tiornu]

Is that the gun's tampion sitting on its base?

[Rendova]

ORIGINAL: Tiornu

Is that the gun's tampion sitting on its base?

I think your right!! It looks like it has a Big star on it.... this would lead me to guess USS Texas

[Tankerace]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

If its a destroyer, its one of a handful of about 20 Clemson class Flush Deckers rearmed with the 5"/51 in all four positions. Most of these were either lost at Honda Point in 1923 (Based out of San Pedro and Mare Island) or converted to the APDs, DMs, DMSs, and AVPs we all know and love.

If its a sub its either V-4 (Argonaut), V-5 (Narwhal) or V6 (Nautilus).

If its a sub, I think the conning tower is to close to the gun, so my guess (again, if a sub) is Argonaut.

Why could this not be a secondary gun on a larger ship?

Because after 1930 5"/51s (except I believe on the Texas and New York) were mounted in casemates below decks. All above deck 5inchers (on BBs and cruisers) were short barreled 5"/25 Mk 10 AA guns in gun tubs.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

If its a destroyer, its one of a handful of about 20 Clemson class Flush Deckers rearmed with the 5"/51 in all four positions. Most of these were either lost at Honda Point in 1923 (Based out of San Pedro and Mare Island) or converted to the APDs, DMs, DMSs, and AVPs we all know and love.

If its a sub its either V-4 (Argonaut), V-5 (Narwhal) or V6 (Nautilus).

If its a sub, I think the conning tower is to close to the gun, so my guess (again, if a sub) is Argonaut.

Why could this not be a secondary gun on a larger ship?

Because after 1930 5"/51s (except I believe on the Texas and New York) were mounted in casemates below decks. All above deck 5inchers (on BBs and cruisers) were short barreled 5"/25 Mk 10 AA guns in gun tubs.

OK - don't think it is a sub. These guys are too spiffy, there doesn't seem to be "flooding space" between the wooden deck slats, and there is the previously noted toe-board. Also the gun does not seem to be centered in front of the superstructure to the right.

This gives me the impression that this is a large ship - so since Texas is taken, I'll guess the 5"/51 of USS New York.

[Brady]

5"/51, it is[:)]


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It's on a tneder.......Which I will run a pick of.........

[mlees]

Getting close to your centenial anniversary, Brady. #300 better NOT be a tender...[;)]