Canadians in WPO

[33Vyper]

I cannot believe I did not ask earlier. So.....are we there? Or are we combined with the Brits? You could always through in a nice BB Canada for flavour...hehehehe [;)]

[WPO_FANBOY!]

I wonder if the HMS PHAETON is in WPO? [:'(]


http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/ww1/arethusa/

[33Vyper]

nice website..... the Diadem was quite the good lookin ship. 4 funnels and all. Says she was scrapped in the 20s though

[Tankerace]

ORIGINAL: WPO_FANBOY!

I wonder if the HMS PHAETON is in WPO? [:'(]


http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/canada/ww1/arethusa/

Phaeton is not. However, HMCS Aurora, the destroyers HMCS Patriot and HMCS Patrician, the HM Canadian Submarines CH-14 and CH-15 are present, along with a few ground units, and a small number of squadrons flying Sopwith Snipes, Airco DH4sl, and De Havilland DH9As.

[Tankerace]

ORIGINAL: 33Vyper

I cannot believe I did not ask earlier. So.....are we there? Or are we combined with the Brits? You could always through in a nice BB Canada for flavour...hehehehe [;)]

I'd like to, but you'd have to steal her from Chile.

[33Vyper]

I'd like to, but you'd have to steal her from Chile.

Have the map updated to world map and I will spend the first 6 mths of the war subduing those evil ppl in Chile to get my baby back

[Tankerace]

Just for you Vyper,

HMS Canada is now in the game.

She is assumed to be re purchased around 1 year after war breaks out, and is handed over to Canada. However, she arrives at Vancouver with 25 sys damage. This represents the necessity to give her a good inspection after being in South American hands, as well as general maintenance before going to war.

I added her in 1) due to requests, and 2) because seeing as how during WW2 she was offered to the Allies, I figure its not that all improbable that she would be offered here. And since the Canadians seem to want her so much [:D]

However, if there are objections to adding her in, I will remove her.

For balance, the British Grand Fleet, when it arrives, is now 1 dreadnought less. So the game itself doesn't get unbalanced anymore.

[Tankerace]

Seeing as you'll want one, here is HMS Canada's class entry:




Since they are cousins to the Iron Dukes, I thought I'd post them too.



Note differences in armament, speed, and in appearance.

[Onime No Kyo]

Tanker, why do you have the rear turrets facing center?

[Tankerace]

wtf.... where the Hell did that come from.

[Tankerace]

Fixed.

Oh well, only 1 typo (I used Iron Duke as the basis for Canada).

[Onime No Kyo]

I was rummaging online last night and came accross this picture of the Almiralte Latorre (HMS Canada) crew posing for pictures. To me it looks like she's in full fighting trim and the Chileans kept her in good condition. (Then again, I spent most of my illustrious military career stuck inside a Bradley, so what do I know [:)])

Incidentally, this site appears to be a rather nice resource for shipside views Tanker, and anyone else who is interested.

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk

[WPO_FANBOY!]

good site! I never knew brazil had an aircraft carrier! [X(]

[Tankerace]

Yeah, the Chileans did keep her in very good condition. I understand why in WW2 the US didn't accept her (pride), but I guess it was the same way with the British. Its hard to understand though, as the 14"/45 Mk VIIs used in the King George V (1940 class - have to differentiate between them and the 1912s in this forum) were basically updated versions, and shells and such should have been fairly interchangeable.

And at 23 knots she is as fast as a QE, and faster than an R class.

And that site has been invaluable, both for side views, and for ship histories and in some cases deployments.

[Onime No Kyo]

ORIGINAL: WPO_FANBOY!

good site! I never knew brazil had an aircraft carrier! [X(]

Yeah, its friggin amazing how the Brits farmed out their old WW2 flattops to countries who would have never had them of their own horsepower. Heck, the Indians finally decomissioned the old Hermes in what, the 80s? If you really think about it, the only countries to have ever built CVs of their own accord were US, UK, Russia and Japan. The Germans tried and basically failed. The French "borrowed" theirs..the Dutch, the Argentines, Brazilians, Indians, same.

The freakiest thing for me is finding out where these ships ended up. I think that the saddest one for me personally is the General Belgrano (IIRC). I mean, from Pearl Harbor, through all of WW2 basically to end up as a garbage scow to ber sunk by Brit torps that outclassed you by something like 60 years. Sad.

[Tankerace]

Yeah, Belgrano was a waste.

But, it also points of a change in times. In WW2 had she been sunk by a sub, it was a "habit of war". But sunk by a sub miles away, the Agentinians denounced it as a war crime.

IIRC, the Argentinians had another US Brooklyn, but I don't remember which one or her fate.

[Tankerace]

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

ORIGINAL: WPO_FANBOY!

good site! I never knew brazil had an aircraft carrier! [X(]

If you really think about it, the only countries to have ever built CVs of their own accord were US, UK, Russia and Japan.

Don't forget the French Bearn, uncompleted dreadnought turned carrier. Not really a success, but still technically a carrier.

[Onime No Kyo]

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

In WW2 had she been sunk by a sub, it was a "habit of war". But sunk by a sub miles away, the Agentinians denounced it as a war crime.

They would...not like they could have done anything about it. A friend of mine quotes a favorite episode of his from WW2. Apparently, the Germans were so flabbergasted at the Russian "Katyshas" in the early part of the war that they threatened to start using poison gas on the Russians in retaliation. Evidently, rockets are inhumane.

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Don't forget the French Bearn, uncompleted dreadnought turned carrier. Not really a success, but still technically a carrier.

Well, yes....but I would argue that the French really got their CV handling experience on that Brit CV they borrowed after the war, before the Bearn was launched. I guess you could argue that either way.


EDIT: Sorry Tanker, I'm having a brain fart. Maybe I was thinking of the first Foch. I cant get it straight in my head, but what I was attempting to refer to was the French use of all kinds of allied CVs before they floated their own (in the mid 50s?). Guess I put my foot in it this time. Yes, I guess you are right. I completely forgot about her.

Another funny thing is that the Brits seem to have pioneered every significant CV development. Not only did they come up with the whole concept in practice, invented the tactical and operational doctrines and first used the concept in a war situation, but they also modified that concept into that whole VTOL/STOL/Jumpjet thing the Russians coppied later. The USN just added on things that no one else could afford, like parking ACs on deck (exposing them to corrosion and accidents) and mass deployments of CVs.

[WPO_FANBOY!]

I dont know if this will interest the two of you, but i thought you'd like to read up on the new british carriers! [:)]

The two vessels, will be the largest and most powerful surface warships ever built in the UK.

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/1971.html

[Tankerace]

Hehe, God bless the US.

At least we were the first too.... uh.... Hmm. Carriers, no. Battleships? Damn. Cruisers.... damn... well, at least we did come up[ with the 110 foot sub chaser before everyone else! [:D][:D][:D]