Pictures of ww2 battlefields in Ukraine

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[Louis Jones]

Cool site, thanks for sharing.

[SuomiKp]

It had to take awhile to build the Serpent's wall back then without machinery ...

[Procrustes]

Way cool - many thanks!

[chief]

Thanks, you live in a beautiful country, it's a shame what wars and leaders can do to beauty.

Thank you for sharing.

[freeboy]

Thank you for sharing, This is a very nice collection of article and pictures.. BRAVO

[MadScot]

Very interesting, thank you.

[HobbesACW]

Great photo's!
Thanks

[Sarge]

That is crazy to walk around a battlefeild that was never cleared.

As cool as it seems , souvenir hunting old battlefeilds. I don't think its all that tasteful. That skull still wearing the helmet,that was someones loved one for God sakes. And to take a photo of such a waste and post on the internet[:@]


PS: wonder if the sick basterds took the helmet [:(]

[Riun T]

Have to say I'm with ya on this one Sarge, I am all for things like diging up the UXO from a battlefield or picking up a bullet or button or capbadge/beltbuckle, BUT LEAVE THE RESPECTED WHERE THEY LIE if your not a professional and knowledgeable in exhumation leave it to the experts. get in touch with the local athorities tell them of your findings and the location. nothing else !! RT

[rhondabrwn]

ORIGINAL: Sarge


That is crazy to walk around a battlefeild that was never cleared.

As cool as it seems , souvenir hunting old battlefeilds. I don't think its all that tasteful. That skull still wearing the helmet,that was someones loved one for God sakes. And to take a photo of such a waste and post on the internet[:@]


PS: wonder if the sick basterds took the helmet [:(]

With all due respect, I think you are over-reacting. I suspect that old body parts get dug up in those regions every time someone builds a house or a new roadway. Maybe they respectfully re-buried the bones and said a prayer over him... that would be a lot more than the poor guy got when he died!

I greatly appreciated the pictures on that website and that one picture of a jawbone didn't seem that offensive to me nor worthy of the epithet that you applied. Maybe if they were mass producing and selling necklaces made of human teeth or ashtrays made out of jawbones I would get outraged, but not for what they are doing. Is it a bit dangerous to be digging around old mines? Sure, but they seem to know what they are doing. Lots of people have dangerous hobbies.

Just my opinion, hon.

[*Lava*]

Hi!


I thought it was a fasinating site.

Especially if you read the words that go with the pics.

As for the remains, it was pointed out that they bury any remains found, and from what I gathered, finding remains is not an unusual occurence.

Seems to me this guy lives in an area that saw the true effect of wars brutality. I am sure it changes one's perspectives on humanity (as the author mentioned).

Ray (alias Lava)

[ShermanM4]

Sarge how did you feel about the USS Monitor and the CSS Hunley? Was that terrible to dig those up? I thought it was an outstanding sight, and here is what she wrote for the Skull pic.

Soldiers there too, under leaves, bones, skulls, jaw-bones... teeth mostly good of young people. In Soviet army of those who were born in 1922 only 3 out of 100 came home from war, the rest 97 on those hills.

I dont think that they were "Sick Bastards" as you say.

[Sarge]

@ rhondabrwn

I can't see how its over-reacting to see it as nothing more then GRAVE ROBBING !

Look I can see how in such a area remains can be dug up on a regular bases (Farming, building, what ever). But if you read ALL of their web site you would see what is really going on .
Did you read the first page about the ss ring and how if found it would finance a new motorcycle. Where do you think you find such a ring, just laying on the ground someplace. No you would dig up remains in hope of finding one. Take a realistic view of what their doing .How is it ok to dig up someone's remains but as long as their not making ashtrays out of remains its cool.


@ Lava

Im sure he will be think of the sacrifice and cost of humanity when he is cashing in on that ring.

[Sarge]

ORIGINAL: ShermanM4

Sarge how did you feel about the USS Monitor and the CSS Hunley? Was that terrible to dig those up? I thought it was an outstanding sight, and here is what she wrote for the Skull pic.

Soldiers there too, under leaves, bones, skulls, jaw-bones... teeth mostly good of young people. In Soviet army of those who were born in 1922 only 3 out of 100 came home from war, the rest 97 on those hills.

I dont think that they were "Sick Bastards" as you say.

So as long as they state human cost its cool to grave rob.

EDIT: No I did not like when the Monitor and Hunley where raised,its a tomb . And lets be realistic do you think they are giving the remains the same respect

[diesel7013]

I'm a little bit surprised that anyone is "shocked" that people who dig for relics, ect... might encounter human remains. Of course you'll find human remains!
And then to say "they should contact experienced/qualified people to dig" - so having a degree makes it okay to dig up the dead?? But being an amature, like Darwin, Edison, ect... - they have no right to engage in scientific exploration???
Maybe some of these people profited from their searches - GOOD FOR THEM!!! If they want to go out there and search old battlefields and historical sites, and they find antiques, relics, or other items of interest - GOOD FOR THEM!!!

I'm sure that none of us would respect them if they just digged up bodies and then dumped the bones behind a tree - but as long as they bury any remains the find -then fine... Hell, people ( scientists w/ degrees ) dig up bodies all the time and take the bones to their office to look at some more - and if they find some nice rings and such - they get bigger grants from their universities, ect... WHATS THE DIFFERENCE!!!???

I've explored the SW and have found Native American sites, ect... I've encountered remains and have not disturbed them - but I'm sure if I found something phenomenal in them, I would and then put the remains back the way they were...

There is nothing immoral about scientific exploration performed in a moral fashion - either professional or amature - and nothing that that lady put on her site looked anything other than moral...

anyway - IMHO[;)]

[Sarge]

ORIGINAL: diesel7013

I've explored the SW and have found Native American sites, ect... I've encountered remains and have not disturbed them - but I'm sure if I found something phenomenal in them, I would and then put the remains back the way they were...

anyway - IMHO[;)]

Hmmm

So if a American Indian was to start digging in your local grave yard , you are cool with that.

Becuase American Indians did not just leave the dead where they fell, they to had/have grave yards.

[ShermanM4]

@Sarge,
this is interresting. What is your definition of a grave or tomb? You used both words, and I do not understand what they mean to you. From my perspective, that photograph of the soldiers skull did not seem like it was in a grave. Those battlefields had never been cleared, so that soldier layed where he died 65 years ago. If anything, he was given a shallow grave with dirt heaped on top of him where he fell. It looked like wind and top soil run off unearthed him. What kind of grave is that?

I will concede that you make an excellent point with the SS ring. That seems pretty self interrested to unearth the dead looking for somehting so precious inorder to buy a bike. They are not archeologists or historians, so I have to concede that this purpose is purely their own. Still, do soldiers own any of the equipment on them? What is wrong with taking home bullets, spent shell casings, helmets, or medals?

[diesel7013]

Hmmm

So if a American Indian was to start digging in your local grave yard , you are cool with that.

Becuase American Indians did not just leave the dead where they fell, they to had/have grave yards.

I guess at some point - someone is going to have to come up with rules for scientific exploration... How many years old does a site have to be to be "legal" to dig?? Well - how many??
The Titanic site was less than 100 yrs old when it was investigated.
Any WWI or WWII site is less than 100 yrs old.
Civil War sites are still investigated all the time - they are less than 150 yrs old.

So - it's okay to dig the hell out of Egypt, the Middle East, Central and South America, and Indonesia because those civilizations are over a thousand years old... But NOT okay to dig up the battlefields of Russia because?? WHY??? Just because someone died there?? Hell, people die everywhere...

What are the rules??

Now - we have laws that you can't go into a registered grave site and dig around - cemetarys and such - but these also apply to any registered graves sites on reservations and such... but they have to be registered...

Now - if I buy some land in W. Texas or New Mexico or Arizona - or where ever, and find something on my land and want to investigate it - that's my perogative - just because someone finds it horrible to dig in sites is irrelavent...

Remember - lots of people thought it was heresy to think that the Earth was not the center of the universe - or that the earth wasn't flat - or anything else...

Again, what are the rules?? - we can't live life by anyone's arbitrary moral judgements...

[Sarge]

Ok uncle [:)]