AH's 3RD Reich compared too WAW

[Titanwarrior89]

Just fast question. I played 3rd Reich years ago and liked it(my first war game i had learned). I all most did not buy WAW because i am not really axis and allied fan. But i am hoping that waw is at least as good as AH's Third Reich was(old board wargame).

I am hoping for the depth at least of 3rd Reich. So i bought WAW! I hope i am lucky, been reading the forums and it seems to be a mix.[X(]

[Titanwarrior89]

Ok ill find out myself. A week from now it won't matter.[8|]

[Grotius]

I played the heck out of the old Third Reich boardgame, and I even beta-tested the PC version of the game, so I'm pretty familiar with that game system. A&A, by contrast, wasn't really my cup of tea.

I'd say GGWaW is somewhere between 3R and A&A. The map and graphics do bring to mind A&A, but the Production and Research bring to mind 3R. The global scale distinguishes GGWaW from 3R in a good way: it's pretty cool as the Western Allies to manage forces in the UK, the Med, the USA, and the South Pacific all at once. Also, GGWaW seems well-suited to PBEM play, which is a nice plus. I'd say if you like the 3R style of gameplay, you'll probably like this too.

[Titanwarrior89]

Thanks Grotius for your answer that is all i wanted. I have a friend who's wants to buy a copy but did'nt like A & A. But like me he did like 3rd Reich. Thanks for the time you spent on your response. I appreciate it.[:D]

ORIGINAL: Grotius

I played the heck out of the old Third Reich boardgame, and I even beta-tested the PC version of the game, so I'm pretty familiar with that game system. A&A, by contrast, wasn't really my cup of tea.

I'd say GGWaW is somewhere between 3R and A&A. The map and graphics do bring to mind A&A, but the Production and Research bring to mind 3R. The global scale distinguishes GGWaW from 3R in a good way: it's pretty cool as the Western Allies to manage forces in the UK, the Med, the USA, and the South Pacific all at once. Also, GGWaW seems well-suited to PBEM play, which is a nice plus. I'd say if you like the 3R style of gameplay, you'll probably like this too.

[Jombee]

I've been Third Reich player since the original boardgame was released, and the closest computer game to it (besides the actual terrible AI PC version) would be battlefront's "Strategic Command" in my opinion.

[Titanwarrior89]

I've got it but went ahead and got this one due too the entire war beening presented. I agree with what ya said. It's not a bad game. Version two is coming out soon(i think).

Thanks for the Imput[:D]

[HobbesACW]

I recently played the free 3rd Reich and quite enjoyed it until I found out how weak the AI is. Most AI's are fairly eady to beat after a couple of games - I look forward to playing this as PBEM.

Chris

[Rik81]

3RD Reich ... the game I always wanted to play and never got to (speaking of the AH board game). I had it (and about a zillion other AH games, just never got an opponent to engage in 3RD Reich.

Another thing to remember is the great advantage COMPUTERS have over the old classic board games: Instant Opponents. Of course the quality of AI opponents is sometime suspect, but when the game also provides you with PBEM ability, then you have the best of all worlds.

[Titanwarrior89]

Yep i agree[:D]

[HardRock]

I'm a harcore 3R player (boardgame and 3R PC PBEM).

After playing a couple days I'd say it's in between Axis Allies and 3R. Defintely Axis Allies on steroids.
However there is some 3R feel. The supply trucks you push around are partly BRPs. You need them to move which would be considered an offensive (You can SR without supply)....and to DOW...and Lend Lease.

It also has the old AH's Victory In The Pacific feel playing with the WA and I imagine Japan too...only it adds about 20 laters of depth:)

Its probably going to be addicting.....to say the least;)

[Titan]

ORIGINAL: HardRock


I'm a harcore 3R player (boardgame and 3R PC PBEM).

After playing a couple days I'd say it's in between Axis Allies and 3R. Defintely Axis Allies on steroids.
However there is some 3R feel. The supply trucks you push around are partly BRPs. You need them to move which would be considered an offensive (You can SR without supply)....and to DOW...and Lend Lease.

It also has the old AH's Victory In The Pacific feel playing with the WA and I imagine Japan too...only it adds about 20 laters of depth:)

Its probably going to be addicting.....to say the least;)

I didnt know 3R had a pbem option?

I'm a harcore 3R player (boardgame and 3R PC PBEM).

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[Blackheart223]

Free 3R? As in a PC version? I have played the old AH computer one, is this the same or did someone else do a version?

[Zap]

original boardgame

I didn't know there were so many 3r,s out here. Just purchased GGWaW and have never played pbem but hpoe to. Heck, I only once found people to play the boardgame with.

[Titanwarrior89]

It does have that "victory feel also" but i never did like that game. 3R i did like, alot. It was the first game i learned. Then went on and on to others.

I still like WITP much better but will play this one between pbem turns.[;)]

[FirstPappy]

Anybody out there play AH's "Hitler's War"? I find GGWAW a bit closer to that than to 3R.

[Titanwarrior89]

Remember the game but never played it.

[Bossy573]

ORIGINAL: Pappy
Anybody out there play AH's "Hitler's War"? I find GGWAW a bit closer to that than to 3R.

Yes! and I think I still have it around here somewhere. It was a much simplified Third Reich and a blast to play.
The PC version of Third Reich was, I thought, quite good. Far more detailed than GGWAW though, not really in the same class.

[Titanwarrior89]

I first bought squad leader as a newbie to wargaming. It was over my head. Then i bought 3R and learned it. Played it alot. Went back and learned squad leader after i finally understood how the game mechanics worked.

Then dozens of wargames since then. I have one big selection still but gave some away years ago. Wished i had kept some of them.

But the the two enjoyed more than any other was Pacific War(victory) and DAK(gamers).[;)]

[Jombee]

I didnt know 3R had a pbem option?

The game does not have a "formal" PBEM system, but you can email game saves back and forth between 2 human opponents.

[HardRock]

AH's PC 3R was never designed for PBEM. However, the progammer with his last input on the game made it so you can save between turns and turn the AI on or off.

This allows for PBEM. However you are at the mercy of the AI for air and naval defensive fire. However that can be overcome with a few minor adjustments by the players telling where he wants DAS. Most of the time its not an issue as it is obvious.

There were quite a few bugs that while not game stoppers surely changed the strategy of the game. The biggest being the Russians lost twice for losing the Baltics. That's a 50 BRP swing.

However, some wrote a simple program called 3R gold that can adjust BRPS in such a way that the bugs do not matter.

What you have in the end is a very playable basic 3R PBEM game. (no varients or foreign aid). I have played several games with the best 3R players to where 1 BRP has made the difference or not.

But,doing turns can take a long time as was true with the boardgame. Still..if you've got time its still a great game. I had one going that lasted a year.