Claims of pilots 1.5

[castor troy]

I´ve noticed that the combat report is completly broken now. With previous versions you got an "idea" how many planes were e.g. destroyed on ground but with 1.5?!?! I never looked in the ac lost list because I didn´t find it realistic. Now with 1.5 I wondered several turns why my bombers only hit a few planes on ground (combat report) and decided to look at this ac lost list. And what did I see? Nearly 3 times the planes reported in the combat report were really destroyed!!! What the f...?

I know that the reported kills with previous versions were overrated, just as it was in RL but now your bomber crews tell you that they destroyed 10 planes on ground but if you look at this list it´s something like 25 - 30 planes. That way the combat report is just total nonsense and could also be deleted. Again I can understand why it can be overrated (like it was before) but like it´s now.... ????

Please don´t shoot me, I like 1.5 but the combat report (which I always seen as the report you get from your returning ac) as it is now has nothing to do with a report you would have got in RL. I know many will tell me in real life this and that but I think it was better as it was.

[Charles2222]

Why doesn't it estimate any damaged planes on the ground, I wonder.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Charles_22

Why doesn't it estimate any damaged planes on the ground, I wonder.

I get also some damaged planes, but in the same far too less numbers. Perhaps all my crews are blind on one eye.

[harrer]

ORIGINAL: Charles_22

Why doesn't it estimate any damaged planes on the ground, I wonder.

Maybe because all the damaged aircrafts are now destroyed .. you know, firing at an aircraft on the ground, you suppose that it's destroyed, not damaged .. maybe the explanation .. who knows ..

Harrer [;)]

[castor troy]

But then there should even more reported destroyed ac than in previous versions not far less. Now it´s just like you MUST look into the list to get a clue what happened. The crews are claiming only a third of the destroyed ac. Wonder how it´s with air to air.

[harrer]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

But then there should even more reported destroyed ac than in previous versions not far less. Now it´s just like you MUST look into the list to get a clue what happened. The crews are claiming only a third of the destroyed ac. Wonder how it´s with air to air.

Maybe .. the numbers are more accurate, doesn't they ?


Harrer [;)]

[castor troy]

Yeah, with the new rule the claims for air to air victories should be more accurate but now the ground kills are just bs.

[harrer]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

Yeah, with the new rule the claims for air to air victories should be more accurate but now the ground kills are just bs.

I didn't find the ac destroyed on the ground far less of the real ac destroyed .. the combat report was very accurate .. he said only a hundred planes destroyed on the ground, and I didn't have more when opening the panel with the losses [:(]

Harrer [;)]

[rtrapasso]

Frag did a post on this. I would guess it is hard for someone zooming by at 180 mph at 17000 feet to get an idea on which planes were damaged.

Frag calls it Fog of War, and it is working as it was designed to (according to him).

Given the hoo-rah-rah from the last two Gulf Wars and yelling and screaming about damage assessments using 1990s technology, it is hard to argue with this change for WITP, imo.

[worr]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

Frag did a post on this. I would guess it is hard for someone zooming by at 180 mph at 17000 feet to get an idea on which planes were damaged.

Try using the gun cam then.

Worr, out

[Mr.Frag]

Try using the gun cam then.

Yea, ok Worr, a gun cam can barely keep track of kills when the plane is physically destroyed. [:D]

[Tanaka]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

I´ve noticed that the combat report is completly broken now. With previous versions you got an "idea" how many planes were e.g. destroyed on ground but with 1.5?!?! I never looked in the ac lost list because I didn´t find it realistic. Now with 1.5 I wondered several turns why my bombers only hit a few planes on ground (combat report) and decided to look at this ac lost list. And what did I see? Nearly 3 times the planes reported in the combat report were really destroyed!!! What the f...?

I know that the reported kills with previous versions were overrated, just as it was in RL but now your bomber crews tell you that they destroyed 10 planes on ground but if you look at this list it´s something like 25 - 30 planes. That way the combat report is just total nonsense and could also be deleted. Again I can understand why it can be overrated (like it was before) but like it´s now.... ????

Please don´t shoot me, I like 1.5 but the combat report (which I always seen as the report you get from your returning ac) as it is now has nothing to do with a report you would have got in RL. I know many will tell me in real life this and that but I think it was better as it was.

Mike Wood
Matrix Legion of Merit

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Rewrote that part of code. Damaged aircraft on ground no longer part of combat report. Fog of war. On other hand, air-to-air kill report much more accurate.

Have Fun...

Michael Wood

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ORIGINAL: harrer

I think there is a big problem with the new path : the aircrafts destroyed on the ground and the damage to the bases are less than with 1.4 and not acceptable...Thanks in advance

Harrer

Yep, there is someone complainig yet

[freeboy]

I use the planes reported as a ruler to point me at totals in the dalies.. the reports of each day in the game.. simply open it up and use the aatacks to get an idea of where the losses.. accureately reported without fow, are taken from.. hope that helps

[worr]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Yea, ok Worr, a gun cam can barely keep track of kills when the plane is physically destroyed.

Ah, yes. Mr.Frag swoops down upon our thread leaving his pity comment and in haste makes his egress, but going back over the written record (gun cam) one can easily see the comment was not about kills but aircraft damage. 8)

Worr, out

[Drex]

In war there are no guarantees of accuracy on either side.

[worr]

Would you settle for an educated guess?

MI has to do something you know. Otherweise congress cuts their funding.

[Williamb]

Was hoping for the ability to turn off FOW for COMBAT reports (not the game)

hate that when you turn off FOW for the game you basically SEE every unit on the map.

But guess this will do

[Mr.Frag]

Ah, yes. Mr.Frag swoops down upon our thread leaving his pity comment and in haste makes his egress, but going back over the written record (gun cam) one can easily see the comment was not about kills but aircraft damage. 8)

Worr, you ever saw any gun camera footage? You honestly think you can spot a damaged aircraft that is still completely flyable and makes it back to base successfully? You are dreaming. Even with gun cameras installed, you still get inaccurate reports due to the nature of air combat. Remember they were invented to give the intel guys some better data as the kills reported by pilots were completely unreliable.

[worr]

Worr, you ever saw any gun camera footage? You honestly think you can spot a damaged aircraft that is still completely flyable and makes it back to base successfully? You are dreaming. Even with gun cameras installed, you still get inaccurate reports due to the nature of air combat. Remember they were invented to give the intel guys some better data as the kills reported by pilots were completely unreliable.

Yes, I have seen gun camera footage from ground strikes in particular. Yes, I can see hits. And explosions on occasion. No I'm not dreaming.

But not sure what you have your dander up about. I have no complaints about 1.5 Damaged ac get repaired pretty quickly in this game so I make few bones about how is or isn't damaged.

[tsimmonds]

I for one don't understand what is the big deal about these reports. I never pay any attention to them anyway. You can see exactly what happened last turn when you read the information report on a/c losses.