Curiousity killed the cat!

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Thu May 12, 2005 5:17 pm

This is not formal in any way shape or from so don't read anything into it. 2by3's schedule is already booked for quite some time to come with multiple games.

How many folks would seriously be interested in a PBEM ONLY version of War in the Pacific with expanded scope and detail? (ie: WitP II)

The limiting factor here is having a Computer Player means AI development which seriously limits the ability to move forward with the thousands of great suggestions that have been made. It also caps the scale as the lower the scale, the more computer processing power that it takes to have AI.

Prices are assumed to be in US Dollars so factor in your exchange rate in picking the option. Please be serious with your choice.

Due to some folks who don't understand the meaning of the forums posting rules, the content of this thread has been removed. Personal attacks on other members are unacceptable.

Oznoyng · Post by **Oznoyng** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:46 pm

Next time, can you restrict/kill the user's authority, edit their post, and leave the thread otherwise untouched?

ltfightr · Post by **ltfightr** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:54 pm

To get back on topic. I voted for $150.00. I would be much more likley to buy it if it had a good user friendly editor and had the fewest amount possible of hard coded events.

wild_Willie2 · Post by **wild_Willie2** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:57 pm

I was already wondering WHEN the contents would be kicked...........[8|][8|][8|]

You where slow on this one Frag.............[;)]

rtrapasso · Post by **rtrapasso** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:14 pm

ORIGINAL: ltfightr

To get back on topic. I voted for $150.00. I would be much more likley to buy it if it had a good user friendly editor and had the fewest amount possible of hard coded events.

To recap the previous discussion, now off in cyberspace, everyone without exception demanded an improved AI*!!![:D][:D][:D]

*exceptforthoseposterswhosaidthatadvancedAIisnotpossibleandweshouldjustforgettheentireideaofanimprovedAIforWITP2plustaxtagstitleyourmileagemayvaryoffervoidinTennesse.

Banquet · Post by **Banquet** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:18 pm

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: ltfightr

To get back on topic. I voted for $150.00. I would be much more likley to buy it if it had a good user friendly editor and had the fewest amount possible of hard coded events.

To recap the previous discussion, now off in cyberspace, everyone without exception demanded an improved AI*!!![:D][:D][:D]

*exceptforthoseposterswhosaidthatadvancedAIisnotpossibleandweshouldjustforgettheentireideaofanimprovedAIforWITP2plustaxtagstitleyourmileagemayvaryoffervoidinTennesse.

lol [:D]

Mr.Frag · Post by **Mr.Frag** » Mon May 16, 2005 7:33 pm

Next time, can you restrict/kill the user's authority, edit their post, and leave the thread otherwise untouched?

Yea sure, in the other 168 hours a week I happen to have spare. [8|]

You where slow on this one Frag

Sad that it has to go down that path, I kept watching and hoping but nope, the flame bait was just too much and people took it.

DuckofTindalos · Post by **DuckofTindalos** » Mon May 16, 2005 7:34 pm

I'm taking my part of the blame for that; told myself I shouldn't get sucked in, but it can be difficult, as we saw so VERY clearly...

Tristanjohn · Post by **Tristanjohn** » Mon May 16, 2005 8:31 pm

Where were we? [:)]

Burzmali · Post by **Burzmali** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:37 pm

Well, if you intend to increase the scope of the game (without AI), you are going to need something akin to macros, or the game is going to become a giant database manipulation exercise.

Bliztk · Post by **Bliztk** » Mon May 16, 2005 9:55 pm

Well, we have the formulas from WitP, to ensure decent results (with tweaking of course).

But I guess that the Database and it`s related tools will be done from scratch, and with the benefit of the past experience (aka more slots, and autoerase of the empty slots to prevent corruption)

mc3744 · Post by **mc3744** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:05 pm

Oh man!
I've been away two days and now this. What did I miss? What happened?
I always miss the juicy stuff [8|]

Brausepaul · Post by **Brausepaul** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:05 pm

ORIGINAL: Burzmali

Well, if you intend to increase the scope of the game (without AI), you are going to need something akin to macros, or the game is going to become a giant database manipulation exercise.

I agree, a(ny) future project definately has to be much more user friendly, less clicks, less text, more optical feedback (dumb example: TFs low on fuel have direct icon or an exclamation mark next to it or whatever). Maybe some kind of news system ("Factory at Sushi Jima can't produce because of fish shortage"). In terms of computer-user interaction all war games are a complete disaster.

wild_Willie2 · Post by **wild_Willie2** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:08 pm

Oh man!
I've been away two days and now this. What did I miss? What happened?
I always miss the juicy stuff

Only a 300 reply tread, wich got kicked due to improper language............[&o]

mc3744 · Post by **mc3744** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:12 pm

I did post myself too on the thread, it was at the beginning, it looked normal enough.

Sounds like it went ballistic. How could it? A poll?
I mean it should be about how we like WitP. I'm confused [&:]

DuckofTindalos · Post by **DuckofTindalos** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:13 pm

I'm almost scared to try to summarise it for you. It might run away from us again [:)]

rtrapasso · Post by **rtrapasso** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:17 pm

ORIGINAL: mc3744

Oh man!
I've been away two days and now this. What did I miss? What happened?
I always miss the juicy stuff [8|]

People got annoyed. Words were said, insults exchanged. They tried to cool it, but, it didn't cool...

BaitBoy · Post by **BaitBoy** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:28 pm

ORIGINAL: Burzmali

Well, if you intend to increase the scope of the game (without AI), you are going to need something akin to macros, or the game is going to become a giant database manipulation exercise.

Macros would be good.

I saw one game (I don't remember the name) that advertised the ability to draw directly on the game map, probably on an erasable layer. This would be a great addition to WitP2 as it would allow the player to delineate operational boundaries, anticipated routs of march (swim?), and generally make notes for himself.

I also reiterate my request to have something akin to Bodhi's WitP Utility added to the game.

Burzmali · Post by **Burzmali** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:28 pm

ORIGINAL: Brausepaul

I agree, a(ny) future project definately has to be much more user friendly, less clicks, less text, more optical feedback (dumb example: TFs low on fuel have direct icon or an exclamation mark next to it or whatever). Maybe some kind of news system ("Factory at Sushi Jima can't produce because of fish shortage"). In terms of computer-user interaction all war games are a complete disaster.

Maybe not even to the point of user friendly-ness, but the last thing you should be doing while running a war is hand picking transports for speed and load size to invade a few piddlely islands while an army of panzers is rolling over your boys in Europe. Now, you might want to hand pick a fleet to carry out the Doolittle raid, but routine operations like ferrying supplies, and training pilots need cookie cuts that say "do this to each of these groups".

mc3744 · Post by **mc3744** » Mon May 16, 2005 10:46 pm

Ok, anyway thanks everybody for trying to summarize.

I'm really amazed by the fact the some people manage to get angry in a game forum. [:-]
We should all be here for the fun of it and for the fun only. What's the point otherwise? [&:]

I'll forget about it, but I'm annoyed to have miss it because I'm somehow curious about how this could happen.
I guess I'll survive my curiosity [:)]