3 vs. 36

[fbastos]

As of 8:55 PM PST of May-14-2005... 3 people reading the GGWAW forum, and 36 people reading the WiP forum.

I don't want to make any parallels that focusing Mike Wood's invaluable time in "that" game is similar to sending Raizo Tanaka to conquer the Himalayas...

... but the reader might make that comparison himself/herself.

F.

[TAIL GUNNER]

Hey, Mike Wood better be using his time fixin' all the new bugs in the UV 2.41 patch....

All seven of us that still play UV deserve to be his top priority!
(it was a really bad patch)

Chad

[Grotius]

Well, there are some of us who play both games and read both forums. I'm very much looking forward to the next GGWaW patch.

GGWaW is deeper than it looks from the graphics, which didn't thrill me at first glance. The game does some things *better* than WITP: it models rolling stock and railroad capacity and integrity, it allows you to move supply overland manually, and it has no map edge; what you do in the ETO affects what you do in the PTO and vice-versa. And you can play a PBEM in a couple weeks. I have two WaW PBEMs going right now, having already finished two PBEMs earlier.

[Halsey]

Beer and pretzels! Or, beer and donuts.[>:][:D][:D][:D]

[Terminus]

Or any beverage and snack food of your choice!

[U2]

I have also noticed how few people seem to visit the GGWAW forum compared to here (this is an old game!)

I bet Matrix/2by3 thought there would be higher interest in the GGWAW title. I thought so too, shame....

[Terminus]

I think perhaps some people get turned off by the screenshots. I know I did; that, and budget constraints [:)]

[Rob Brennan UK]

Ive got the game and i like it , but you cant compare it to Witp , totally differant beast and quite good fun , also challenging vs the AI untill you know what to do , even then it has merit

Dont let the graphics put u off ! [:D]

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK

Dont let the graphics put u off ! [:D]

I usually don't; it was more of a money thing (damn you, Real Life!!!!!)

[moses]

A lot of the reason may be that WITP is so complicated that people go to the forums for help and then get hooked into the discussions. Then because you have so many people here the forum reaches a critical mass where it really takes off and becomes interesting for people. Ask a question and get a response in 5 minutes.

Those who bought GGWAW are probably just playing. Its not as complicated so you don't need the forums as much. A less massive program so fewer bugs so no need to report or argue. Also with GGWAW you just accept that it is not 100 % accurate in all ways but with WITP every bullit must be modeled correctly. So with GGWAW there just may not be as great a need for people to visit the forums and this is compounded by the fact that with only 3 people viewing its jsut not as fun anyway.

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: moses

A lot of the reason may be that WITP is so complicated that people go to the forums for help and then get hooked into the discussions. Then because you have so many people here the forum reaches a critical mass where it really takes off and becomes interesting for people. Ask a question and get a response in 5 minutes.

That's true. I spend a lot of time on the forum, and have a lot of fun doing it.

[moses]

See I hadn't finished my editing and already a response. In 2 minutes and 18 seconds I was already quoted!!

[Oleg Mastruko]

Few people?! GGWAW is fastest growing forum on Matrix boards at the moment and I guess Matrix and 2by3 are pleased with that game's success so far. Just compare with some other Matrixgames and their forums.

I love both games (WAW and WITP), and post on both forums, but I think Grotius said it best when he said WAW actually gives more enjoyment per time unit or something to that effect [:D] Given how fun and enjoyable, yet deep, WAW is, I'd expect more of WITP people to at least peek there, not just to make fun of "low volume traffic" like fbastos [:D]

Lets not forget one thing, and that is we here on WITP forum are not average gamers, not even average wargamers, or average grognards. We're totally crazy bunch, scribomaniacs, guys with no life, and crazy even by very crazy grognard's standards.

I guess what I am trying to say is WITP guys would out-post WAW dudes by 3:1 even if WAW out-sold WITP 10:1 [:D] So don't use WITP board or your average WITP guy as measure of anything. We're "off the map", outta scale, you know what I mean.

Also I think Mike didn't do anything on WAW, he's working on WITP/WIR, but don't take my word as "official" in any way shape or form. So WAW didn't "steal" Mike from you guys [:D]

O.

[sfbaytf]

I've had GGWAW since it came out and still can't get into it. I spend most of my time in WitP and with 2 PBEM games-scenario 13,15 I'll have my hands full. I will say that in terms of the combat animations GGWAW is pretty pathetic. Matrix should take a page out of Talonsoft/take2 and look at what they did with Gettysburg. I just got it for $19.00 yesterday. I never heard of it and there isn't much on it, but I have to say I'm impressed. The 3D graphics and turn based play is well done.

[bradfordkay]

Talonsoft's Gettysburg? That was released when? 10 years ago? There's a reason why you don't hear much about it anymore, it's old news. Don't get me wrong, I loved the game (okay, still love it, though I haven't played it in a very long time), but it's too old to be discussed much now. If you enjoy it, they had a whole series of games using that engine: Shiloh, Antietam, Bull Run and Chickamauga were the ACW titles, there was also Waterloo, Prelude to Waterloo and Borodino for the Napoleonoc fans. You ought to look for copies of those as well if you're enjoying Gettysburg.

[Bodhi]

Getting off topic, but I think the Gettysburg title refered to is this one: http://www.catdaddygames.com/gettysburg.html

Anyone have any more info on this? How does it compare to MadMinutes Bull Run?

[sfbaytf]

No a new version was just released. The game engine is entirely different. Its still turn based, has large hexes and you can zoom in/out as well as pan the camera. The terrain and troops are done in 3D and it looks pretty damm good. The campaign game is nothing more than a bunch of scenarios you play out so its not the best. There is a skirmish mode though. For $19 its a good deal and fun.

If they made a ww2 version of this it would be the Squad Leader on your PC that so far nobody has successfully made.

Yes I remember the original Gettysburg and Napoleonoc games from Talonsoft. The new Gettysburg is an entirely different beast.

[sfbaytf]

ding, ding, ding we have a winner. Yes this is the Gettysburg I'm talking about. I haven't played too much yet, but compared to Mad Minutes Bull Run, I would say Bull Run has a better campaign game as you don't just play out a series of scenarios. The graphics in Gettysburg is nicer though and it's fun. I'm not too sure how good the AI is yet. I've been able to win, but I haven't played too much so I can't say for sure at the moment which is a better AI opponent-Bull Run/Gettysburg.

IMHO Gettysburg demonstrates that you can have nice 3D graphics that would make turn based strategy games more appealing.

[bradfordkay]

My mistake, I just saw his comment about "What Talonsoft/Take2 did with Gettysburg." WITP has taken up all my wargaming time, so I had no idea that this was something different.

[Bodhi]

Easy to miss this game, very little info seems to be available on it. All I can find out is that it seems to be from a team involved with the History Channels Civil War game.

Getting back to this thread, I think the main criterion used by Matrix/2by3 to decide where they put their limited resources is how many copies of a game are sold, not how many people visit the forums. The number of votes in the "curious cat" thread doesn't bode well for the future of WitP. If only WitP was more popular I'm sure we'd have a full team working on it, rather than a percentage of Mike Wood's time.