Op fire at moving subs

[James Ward]

Has anyone ever hit one with it? I've had light fleets, aircraft carriers, fighters and upgrades anti-sub strat-bombers in a sea zone and have subs go right through me on a regular basis. I've never even stopped ONE from moving through even though my light have an equal anti-sub rating as the sub has evasion. Kind of makes it hard to protect your line of supply.

[hakon]

Ships will not opfire on moving subs. Aircraft will, though. Try it in single player. Place all english air on gibraltar, then try to move the italian subs through.

In my experience, it works pretty well, though in multiplayer you are not likely to actually kill that many subs that way, since not so many players will move their sub through if they get the warning that it will generate 4+ attacks of opportunity.

Aircraft on gibraltar (or the Canary islands if germany goes through spain to take gibraltar) is a good way to try to keep the italian subs separated from the german ones.

[MarcelJV]

This works as you have me thinking twice about coming out and playing with my subs.[:@]

ORIGINAL: hakon

Ships will not opfire on moving subs. Aircraft will, though. Try it in single player. Place all english air on gibraltar, then try to move the italian subs through.

In my experience, it works pretty well, though in multiplayer you are not likely to actually kill that many subs that way, since not so many players will move their sub through if they get the warning that it will generate 4+ attacks of opportunity.

Aircraft on gibraltar (or the Canary islands if germany goes through spain to take gibraltar) is a good way to try to keep the italian subs separated from the german ones.

[James Ward]

Ships will not opfire on moving subs. Aircraft will, though

Why not the ships? I mean isn't that one of the main task of the light fleets, ASW?

[carnifex]

Surface ships generally did not perform opportunistic ASW. Rather they were either deployed as part of a convoy escort, or sent to an area where a known wolfpack was operating.

[James Ward]

Surface ships generally did not perform opportunistic ASW. Rather they were either deployed as part of a convoy escort, or sent to an area where a known wolfpack was operating.

Copnsidering the time frame of a turn it just seems odd to me that fighter planes will attack them as they move through an area but surface ships won't. I don't recall anti-sub duty as being a major role of fighters [X(]

[dapamdg]

When I play the Axis, WA planes always op fire at my subs and damage or destroy them. When I play the WA, German u-boats just pass through straights with aircraft adjacent, and right through sea zones with my carriers/CAG present and never suffer an op fire. Is this just an advantage given to the AI? It is very frustrating that the the WA can pen in my subs when I'm the Axis, but I cannot contain its subs when the AI is the Axis.

[Joel Billings]

No, the computer does not cheat with Op-fire (at least we didn't try to make it cheat). What's more likely is that the AI has beefed up it's evasion so your Op-fire has no chance to hit the subs and doesn't shoot.

[James Ward]

What's more likely is that the AI has beefed up it's evasion so your Op-fire has no chance to hit the subs and doesn't shoot.

Don't you Op fire with the same values as a regular attack? I have never, I mean never, hit a sub with Op fire (I can't even tell if I Op fire) but I sink them by the ton in the combat phase.

[aletoledo]

theres no popup message reporting combat for op-fire (I believe this is true), so you might be killing some and not even know it. I suppose you'd have to be checking sub counts each turn to really know.

[batou]

question, do aircraft placed on on island op-fire at subs moving through that sea zone?

[Joel Billings]

ORIGINAL: batou

question, do aircraft placed on on island op-fire at subs moving through that sea zone?

No, as per the rules, they only fire at non-submarine units.