Well both Oli and I were playing Rob Robberson but he has dropped off the face of the earth so we decide to smash heads against each other. Oli says he can whoop me so I must take on the role of the poor, deprived Japanese against the warmongering Allies - led by the evil westerners - the United States...
We took a few days and agreed on house rules and settings on the game and I have listed them below:
Playing a modified Scenario 15 (see below for modifications)
Sub Doctrine off for Japan - on for Allies
Auto Sub Ops - off for both
Auto Replacement / Reinforcements / Expansion - off
Allied Damage Control - on
Realistic Settings - all on
Player Upgrades - on
Historic Turn One - off
Dec 7th Surprise - on
Vary Set / Reinforcements - off
Scenario Modifications:
Japan gets 12 Training air Groups - 6 Army / 6 Navy to use
Japan gets to alter planned target preparation with respect to changed targets
Allied Free supply / fuel modified (To avoid unhistoric early buildup of supplies)
- Karachi is changed from 15000 supplies per day to 10000 supplies per day
- San Francisco is changed from 25000 supplies per day to 17000 supplies per day
- San Francisco is changed from 25000 fuel per day to 20000 fuel per day
House Rules:
1. No Amphibious Invasions without friendly air cover - either Land-based or CV provided (Turns 1 and 2 are the only exception to this rule due to surprise) – this would not even be considered during the time – sub launched and small invasion – do not count towards this due to the small numbers of men involved
2. No Amphibious Invasions (of greater than 1000 load size) without every unit in the invasion force with at least 30 Preparation Points for the destination - this is to simulate the training the units would receive prior to being sent to invade an enemy held island. This also included aerial paratrooper assaults as well. Overland attacks can proceed at any pace possible
3. No rearming TFs in ports smaller than 3 without an AE present
4. No refueling of capital ships in ports smaller than 3 without an AO or TK present (Capital ships are cruisers and larger)
5. ASW TFs cannot exceed 10 ships
6. PT Boats may not be included in TFs with other ships (exception: Rule #8)
7. PT Boat TF may have a max of 6 ships in it
8. PT Boat TF may only have other ships in it - or more than 6 - when transferring between bases - using the extra ships as portable fuel sources
9. No creating Barges / PT Boats at bases smaller than 3 or that are behind enemy lines - cut off. It is unrealistic to have new PT boats magically appear at bases behind enemy lines without having to sail there and be subjected to enemy attack
10. Japanese Home Defense Air Units cannot be used on IJN Carriers without changing their HQs and paying the appropriate PP cost
11. No port attacks other than Pearl Harbor allowed during turn 1 (No Manilla or Singapore - Hong Kong is fair game)
12. The allies cannot simply pick up and withdraw from Malaya, PI, or the DEI without putting up significant fights. This will stop the allied player from playing on hindsight and evacuating all of the Dutch forces before they are even attacked - very unrealistic.
13. No Allied CV Capable air units on CVs until 1/44 - designed to keep Marine Fighter groups off CVs
14. Allied player may only give orders to US CVs at sea to represent possible early war warnings. The Allied player may NOT order US CVs back to PH on turn 1 to interrupt KB's attack on Pearl – nor order it to attack any base until turn 2
15. Allied player may not give any orders except to US CV TFs at sea on turn 1
16. The 1st & 2nd USMC Divisions cannot move beyond the Hawaiian islands (or west coast) until April 1st, 1942. This is to simulate when the 1st Div becomes operational and the major concern for the defense of the Hawaiian Islands and west coast.
17. No units of the Kwangtung HQ may be moved out of the area without first paying the applicable PP costs (Land or Air units)
18. Allied player may not "overly" strip India and southern oz of all troops.
19. Allied level bombers may only fly once every 2 days.
20. No Allied Heavy Bombers stationed in china – no 4 engine bombers may conduct Bombing raids from Chinese bases – this to reflect the lack of fuel and supplies the Chinese had to use such planes – This is a new rule I came up with after seeing Rob base hundreds of Allied heavy bombers (RAF and US B-17s) in china to hit what should be secure rear bases
Many of these rules are from my previous game and Oli had a few additions. Rule #20 came about from my previous experience with Rob where he would base B-17s and RAF Heavy Bombers in Chinese bases and hit Industry in 'safe' bases. Oli & I agreed there was little to no way China had the fuel or muntions to mount those kind of air raids - India / Burma is another matter.
War of Pride: IJN (Xargun) vs Allies (Oliver Heindorf)
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RE: War of Pride: IJN (Xargun) vs Allies (Oliver Heindorf)
Good luck Xargun and Oli. Shame rroberson dropped off.
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Dec 7th, 1941
The military leadership in Japan have taken over Imperial Japan and have decided they have listened to enough political interference by the United States.. It is time for them to be taught a lesson - to be humbled and to learn that Japan has a Divine Right to rule Southeastern Asia... The war has begun.
Both the IJA and IJN have promised renewed cooperation in the upcoming war and it begins with a wide spread attack against British, Dutch and a few select US targets.
The war begins surprisingly with IJN SS I-164 firing torpedoes at the Dutch cruiser Tromp enroute to Palembang - unfortunately all torpedoes miss - the crew of the Tromp may not even notice they were attacked [:)]
Large air attacks were next to happen. The British took the brunt of these attacks, with raids on Hong Kong Port (hitting the DD Scout with 2 bombs), as well as air raids throughout Malaysia - with the raids concentrating on the Airfields. Khota Bharu, Alor Star and Kuantan were all hit with small raids, while a large raid hit Singapore airfields. The raid on Singapore was very successful, destroying a large number of planes on the ground - although the runways were not damaged that much.
The next wave of air strikes were aimed at the United States Army Air Forces. The first strike was in the Philippines at Clark Field, where nearly a hundred IJN bombers struck the field. Once more dozens of enemy planes were destroyed on the ground and the runways took a heavy beating as well. The most important attack on the United States took place at Pearl Harbor, where 6 IJN CVs unleashed over 300 aircraft against the naval base. Nearly a hundred US planes were caught on the fields and destroyed, along with a dozen or so in the air. If that wasn't bad enough, IJN Torpedo Bombers made repeated runs on the warships in port. In the end 8 BB, 2 CA, 5 CL, 1 DD, 3 DM, 1 AVD, 1 AV 1 AP and 1 SS were reported hit with either torpedoes or 800kg bombs - all curtesy of the IJN Kate torpedo bombers. As recon planes scouted the port near dusk, it was confirmed that the BB Pennsylvania had broken in half and sunk.
IJA and IJN troops also landed all over the Dutch East Indies and Philippines as well as a few select islands in the Central Pacific. In Malaysia only Khota Bharu was targetted for invasion due to the presence of both large RAF units in theater and Force Z.
The island of Borneo was targetted heavily with 4 of its ports invaded including Kuching, Miri, Brunei and Tarakan.
The small base Muntok was also invaded by sub commandoes, to keep an eye on traffic in and out of the large oilfields at Palembang.
Targets in the Philippines included Batan Island (for the airfield there), Lingayan (via paratroopers), Vigan, Lamon Bay and Legaspi. Also the port of Cagayan was invaded (for its airfields).
More troops landed at Guam and Wake Islands in the pacific as well as more commandos landing at Tarawa in the South Pacific.
All four Day One goals were met, with Batan Island, Wake Island, Tarawa and Lingayan all falling into Japan's hands.
More allied shipping was damaged in the DEI by the warships escorting the invasion at Cagayan and Tarakan. By all reports only the Dutch Mine Layer Prins van Oranje was confirmed sunk.
IJA and IJN losses were reported as very light, with only 1 ship suffering serious damage and the lose of both pilots and planes was lighter than expected. Stay tune for more reports from the war...
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Japanese Insight
Just thought I would post a few reasons for my moves and such... After my several games with Rob I learned not to overextend into DEI too early, therefore I did not invade Kendari as I usually do. I also gave up on the invasion of Kuantan as I could not protect both it and the Khota Bharu invasion sufficiently against RAF and RN threats.
I used my paratroopers to take Lingayan on turn one so I can unload everything into the PI freely at the port without losing 10% or more of each unit in the invasion of the port - especially since it is undefended. So all the troops at Lingayan can now unload on turn 2 without any loses.
My attack on Hong Kong had good results - I was surprised that I hit the RN DD at all. My attacks on PH went real good - lots of ships hit, with I believe 5 of the 8 US BBs hit with 2+ torpedoes. The Pennsylvania reportedly took 5 torps and 4 800kgers.. No wonder she sunk. I also beat up a lot of cruisers which is good news for the next month or so of the war. The best news is that I only lost like 20 planes in the attack. With that losses I have to stay for another day
[BTW, turn 2 is done otherwise I wouldn't be posting like this]
My naval losses were very light with only a Sub suffering any serious damage - but it will make port easily.
On turn 2 I should take most (if not all) the bases I have invaded on turn 1 but we will see.
Both the IJA and IJN have promised renewed cooperation in the upcoming war and it begins with a wide spread attack against British, Dutch and a few select US targets.
The war begins surprisingly with IJN SS I-164 firing torpedoes at the Dutch cruiser Tromp enroute to Palembang - unfortunately all torpedoes miss - the crew of the Tromp may not even notice they were attacked [:)]
Large air attacks were next to happen. The British took the brunt of these attacks, with raids on Hong Kong Port (hitting the DD Scout with 2 bombs), as well as air raids throughout Malaysia - with the raids concentrating on the Airfields. Khota Bharu, Alor Star and Kuantan were all hit with small raids, while a large raid hit Singapore airfields. The raid on Singapore was very successful, destroying a large number of planes on the ground - although the runways were not damaged that much.
The next wave of air strikes were aimed at the United States Army Air Forces. The first strike was in the Philippines at Clark Field, where nearly a hundred IJN bombers struck the field. Once more dozens of enemy planes were destroyed on the ground and the runways took a heavy beating as well. The most important attack on the United States took place at Pearl Harbor, where 6 IJN CVs unleashed over 300 aircraft against the naval base. Nearly a hundred US planes were caught on the fields and destroyed, along with a dozen or so in the air. If that wasn't bad enough, IJN Torpedo Bombers made repeated runs on the warships in port. In the end 8 BB, 2 CA, 5 CL, 1 DD, 3 DM, 1 AVD, 1 AV 1 AP and 1 SS were reported hit with either torpedoes or 800kg bombs - all curtesy of the IJN Kate torpedo bombers. As recon planes scouted the port near dusk, it was confirmed that the BB Pennsylvania had broken in half and sunk.
IJA and IJN troops also landed all over the Dutch East Indies and Philippines as well as a few select islands in the Central Pacific. In Malaysia only Khota Bharu was targetted for invasion due to the presence of both large RAF units in theater and Force Z.
The island of Borneo was targetted heavily with 4 of its ports invaded including Kuching, Miri, Brunei and Tarakan.
The small base Muntok was also invaded by sub commandoes, to keep an eye on traffic in and out of the large oilfields at Palembang.
Targets in the Philippines included Batan Island (for the airfield there), Lingayan (via paratroopers), Vigan, Lamon Bay and Legaspi. Also the port of Cagayan was invaded (for its airfields).
More troops landed at Guam and Wake Islands in the pacific as well as more commandos landing at Tarawa in the South Pacific.
All four Day One goals were met, with Batan Island, Wake Island, Tarawa and Lingayan all falling into Japan's hands.
More allied shipping was damaged in the DEI by the warships escorting the invasion at Cagayan and Tarakan. By all reports only the Dutch Mine Layer Prins van Oranje was confirmed sunk.
IJA and IJN losses were reported as very light, with only 1 ship suffering serious damage and the lose of both pilots and planes was lighter than expected. Stay tune for more reports from the war...
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Japanese Insight
Just thought I would post a few reasons for my moves and such... After my several games with Rob I learned not to overextend into DEI too early, therefore I did not invade Kendari as I usually do. I also gave up on the invasion of Kuantan as I could not protect both it and the Khota Bharu invasion sufficiently against RAF and RN threats.
I used my paratroopers to take Lingayan on turn one so I can unload everything into the PI freely at the port without losing 10% or more of each unit in the invasion of the port - especially since it is undefended. So all the troops at Lingayan can now unload on turn 2 without any loses.
My attack on Hong Kong had good results - I was surprised that I hit the RN DD at all. My attacks on PH went real good - lots of ships hit, with I believe 5 of the 8 US BBs hit with 2+ torpedoes. The Pennsylvania reportedly took 5 torps and 4 800kgers.. No wonder she sunk. I also beat up a lot of cruisers which is good news for the next month or so of the war. The best news is that I only lost like 20 planes in the attack. With that losses I have to stay for another day
[BTW, turn 2 is done otherwise I wouldn't be posting like this]My naval losses were very light with only a Sub suffering any serious damage - but it will make port easily.
On turn 2 I should take most (if not all) the bases I have invaded on turn 1 but we will see.
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RE: Dec 7th, 1941
first of all, thanks speedy. Rob will sonn appear on the scene though, I am sure of that ( he dissappeard before ) no worries about that.
House rules were a 'must have' becasue of game balance - we agreed both to try some things out too.
one of my other 'beta-tester-opponents' said that Xargun can be nasty - well, lets see if he can handle it better or not. ( it is just to early to compare ! ) 2 turns dont say much. I have simple goals to archive : save save save. it can be done as he cant be anywhere. what annoys me is that KB is sitting near PH for 2 days. it will rip off my ships even more bad that I can imagine. nothing special to report as he is ripping my ass off ( otherwise he woulndt have this reputation [;)] )
losses are heavy on planes and ships. He is getting much shipment and I wonder where the kates came from ...see here :
Day Air attack on TF at 48,58
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
B5N Kate x 57
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Latouche, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kanlaon II, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
57 kates are a punch...thats the only surprise honestly but ....grrrr [:@]
well, we will see what comes arounf next, too early in the game to say much
dont belive the propaganda BS he is stating above like CL Tromp did not notice that she was under fire bla bla bla....the usual BS totalitare systems say when it comes to war....I suggest he should take a job on chancellors schröders goverment [:D] muhaha. the losses I took was not more then I expected and thats OK. stay tuned folks and see Xargunites die a long long long way....and just fyi - I am without remorse [:D]
House rules were a 'must have' becasue of game balance - we agreed both to try some things out too.
one of my other 'beta-tester-opponents' said that Xargun can be nasty - well, lets see if he can handle it better or not. ( it is just to early to compare ! ) 2 turns dont say much. I have simple goals to archive : save save save. it can be done as he cant be anywhere. what annoys me is that KB is sitting near PH for 2 days. it will rip off my ships even more bad that I can imagine. nothing special to report as he is ripping my ass off ( otherwise he woulndt have this reputation [;)] )
losses are heavy on planes and ships. He is getting much shipment and I wonder where the kates came from ...see here :
Day Air attack on TF at 48,58
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
B5N Kate x 57
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Latouche, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kanlaon II, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
57 kates are a punch...thats the only surprise honestly but ....grrrr [:@]
well, we will see what comes arounf next, too early in the game to say much
dont belive the propaganda BS he is stating above like CL Tromp did not notice that she was under fire bla bla bla....the usual BS totalitare systems say when it comes to war....I suggest he should take a job on chancellors schröders goverment [:D] muhaha. the losses I took was not more then I expected and thats OK. stay tuned folks and see Xargunites die a long long long way....and just fyi - I am without remorse [:D]
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RE: Dec 7th, 1941
Surprised you guys put Allied Sub Doctrine "On"... Or has it been fixed?
Either way, looking forward to this one.
Either way, looking forward to this one.
"The Paraguayan Air Force's request for spraying subsidies was not as Paraguayan as it were..."
RE: Dec 7th, 1941
ORIGINAL: Oliver Heindorf
one of my other 'beta-tester-opponents' said that Xargun can be nasty - well, lets see if he can handle it better or not. ( it is just to early to compare ! ) 2 turns dont say much. I have simple goals to archive : save save save. it can be done as he cant be anywhere. what annoys me is that KB is sitting near PH for 2 days. it will rip off my ships even more bad that I can imagine. nothing special to report as he is ripping my ass off ( otherwise he woulndt have this reputation [;)] )
2 Days ?? Thats not much.. Most of my other games I stay for 4 or 5 days
Totally hammering both the ships and the port into small pieces before sailing home...ORIGINAL: Oliver Heindorf
losses are heavy on planes and ships. He is getting much shipment and I wonder where the kates came from ...see here :
Day Air attack on TF at 48,58
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
B5N Kate x 57
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Latouche, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kanlaon II, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
57 kates are a punch...thats the only surprise honestly but ....grrrr [:@]
I do love my baby CVs
Group them together and they pack a punch !!Dec 8th, 1941
Waiting for the turn back from Oli I will post the latest results but will withhold much comment incase he is listening....
The turn starts off with more men landing everywhere.. This time I took some more return fire from coastal guns at several landings, although very little damage was taken in terms of ships - in some places the men got hammered.
Somewhere in the Philippine Islands, 4 enemy DDs found SS I-124 and hammered her with depth charges.. The sub quickly sank [:@]
The next real combat report came from Admiral Nagumo 120 miles North of Pearl Harbor as he unleashed day 2 of the raid... Todays raid was split again, with little attention paid to the runways, and most Vals set to pound the naval repair yards while the heavy Kates went into the port again. My losses were less this turn than the first [:D] and I didn't kill to many US planes either, but I did hammer the repair yards - reports indicate 18 hits which translates into 43 repair yards disabled (Checked scoreboard). A good job by the Vals.. But the Kates were not to be outdone... They braved the alerted US gunners and returned to Battleship Row. This time through they hit 7 BB, 1 CL, 2 DD, 1 AV and 1 AK. The CL (Helena) was struck in the first raids yesterday and took another 800 kg bomb today so she should be hurt good. The BBs were also hit hard... Recon planes reported the Battleships Nevada and West Virgina sinking [:D]
The allied aircraft were busy today striking at invasion fleets all over - some hits were scored and some damage done, but nothing was sunk and everything should return to port safely.
My mini KB found a pair of allied AKs sneaking eastward south of Luzon and hammered them with torpedoes.. They both sank shortly after.
In a surprise event, a retiring combat TF ran into a lone RN DD (Thanet) NW of Lingayan. A brief combat ensued. No ships were sunk, but DD Thanet took a beating from superior IJN weaponry and left burning. I expect her to sink before making port - thats 1 of the British DDs from Hong Kong accounted for.
Everywhere my troops were ordered to attack and success was reported all across the area except for Khota Bharu - where the valiant british forces held my men back. My men captured the following bases this turn: Miri, Brunei, Tarakan, Vigan, Kuching, Lamon Bay, Guam, Laoag, Legaspi, Cagayan and Hong Kong.
As my men took Tarakan several merchant ships tried to flee the port, only to be hammered by my surface forces there. At Tarakan 3 Aks and 1 TK were sunk attempting to flee. At Hong Kong, the british forces scuttled the DD Scout before my men were able to capture it - 2 of the RN DDs accounted for. At Guam the crew of the MSW Penguin sunk their ship to avoid it's capture as well... And finally in Cagayan port, 2 AKs were scuttled by retreating allied forces.
In all another good day. 7 allied AKs sunk, 1 TK, 1 DD and 2 BBs.. a very good day. Air losses for the allies were a lot less today and mine were not bad either - less than I thought... I must be getting lucky - or all the PPs I spent on turn 1 to change air leaders of a lot of front line groups have paid off - I believe a little of both [:)]
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Insight
Well all but 1 Day 2 goals accomplished and the one that failed was one of the two I wasn't sure I would win - Khota Bharu. No surprise.. and no problems. I will take it.. and the british troops aren't going anywhere.
Hong Kong falling on Day 2 is a nice surprise... A big boost in points and a lot less losses to the troops assigned to take it. The port was taken relatively intact and engineers are already repairing all damage from the assault.
The oil production at Miri, Brunei and Tarakan were taken - unfortunately with some loss.. I will not comment on their condition as enemy ears are listening... Now I just need a couple days to finish unloading all my supplies and base forces and I will begin owning the DEI airspace as well as that over Malaya. I wonder how long he will leave the RAF in Singapore...
I wonder where Force Z is... It did not appear to contest any landings as of yet and my subs and recon planes have not spotted it - although my air recon around Singapore is not what I want it to be - nor what it will be in another turn.
I have noticed writing this Insights is tough.. I am still used to the privacy of the AAR from my game with Rob and I have to check everything twice before I post it now.. Oh well.
With all but 1 Day 2 goal accomplished I am going forward with several Special Operations. I do not have names for them yet, but as they assemble they will be named.... I like the names Polar or Artic Hammer - and will use it for at least 1 of them [:D] Oh well I am anxiously awaiting the next turn.. Curious to see if Force Z will show up where I think it might.
The turn starts off with more men landing everywhere.. This time I took some more return fire from coastal guns at several landings, although very little damage was taken in terms of ships - in some places the men got hammered.
Somewhere in the Philippine Islands, 4 enemy DDs found SS I-124 and hammered her with depth charges.. The sub quickly sank [:@]
The next real combat report came from Admiral Nagumo 120 miles North of Pearl Harbor as he unleashed day 2 of the raid... Todays raid was split again, with little attention paid to the runways, and most Vals set to pound the naval repair yards while the heavy Kates went into the port again. My losses were less this turn than the first [:D] and I didn't kill to many US planes either, but I did hammer the repair yards - reports indicate 18 hits which translates into 43 repair yards disabled (Checked scoreboard). A good job by the Vals.. But the Kates were not to be outdone... They braved the alerted US gunners and returned to Battleship Row. This time through they hit 7 BB, 1 CL, 2 DD, 1 AV and 1 AK. The CL (Helena) was struck in the first raids yesterday and took another 800 kg bomb today so she should be hurt good. The BBs were also hit hard... Recon planes reported the Battleships Nevada and West Virgina sinking [:D]
The allied aircraft were busy today striking at invasion fleets all over - some hits were scored and some damage done, but nothing was sunk and everything should return to port safely.
My mini KB found a pair of allied AKs sneaking eastward south of Luzon and hammered them with torpedoes.. They both sank shortly after.
In a surprise event, a retiring combat TF ran into a lone RN DD (Thanet) NW of Lingayan. A brief combat ensued. No ships were sunk, but DD Thanet took a beating from superior IJN weaponry and left burning. I expect her to sink before making port - thats 1 of the British DDs from Hong Kong accounted for.
Everywhere my troops were ordered to attack and success was reported all across the area except for Khota Bharu - where the valiant british forces held my men back. My men captured the following bases this turn: Miri, Brunei, Tarakan, Vigan, Kuching, Lamon Bay, Guam, Laoag, Legaspi, Cagayan and Hong Kong.
As my men took Tarakan several merchant ships tried to flee the port, only to be hammered by my surface forces there. At Tarakan 3 Aks and 1 TK were sunk attempting to flee. At Hong Kong, the british forces scuttled the DD Scout before my men were able to capture it - 2 of the RN DDs accounted for. At Guam the crew of the MSW Penguin sunk their ship to avoid it's capture as well... And finally in Cagayan port, 2 AKs were scuttled by retreating allied forces.
In all another good day. 7 allied AKs sunk, 1 TK, 1 DD and 2 BBs.. a very good day. Air losses for the allies were a lot less today and mine were not bad either - less than I thought... I must be getting lucky - or all the PPs I spent on turn 1 to change air leaders of a lot of front line groups have paid off - I believe a little of both [:)]
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Insight
Well all but 1 Day 2 goals accomplished and the one that failed was one of the two I wasn't sure I would win - Khota Bharu. No surprise.. and no problems. I will take it.. and the british troops aren't going anywhere.
Hong Kong falling on Day 2 is a nice surprise... A big boost in points and a lot less losses to the troops assigned to take it. The port was taken relatively intact and engineers are already repairing all damage from the assault.
The oil production at Miri, Brunei and Tarakan were taken - unfortunately with some loss.. I will not comment on their condition as enemy ears are listening... Now I just need a couple days to finish unloading all my supplies and base forces and I will begin owning the DEI airspace as well as that over Malaya. I wonder how long he will leave the RAF in Singapore...
I wonder where Force Z is... It did not appear to contest any landings as of yet and my subs and recon planes have not spotted it - although my air recon around Singapore is not what I want it to be - nor what it will be in another turn.
I have noticed writing this Insights is tough.. I am still used to the privacy of the AAR from my game with Rob and I have to check everything twice before I post it now.. Oh well.
With all but 1 Day 2 goal accomplished I am going forward with several Special Operations. I do not have names for them yet, but as they assemble they will be named.... I like the names Polar or Artic Hammer - and will use it for at least 1 of them [:D] Oh well I am anxiously awaiting the next turn.. Curious to see if Force Z will show up where I think it might.
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RE: War of Pride: IJN (Xargun) vs Allies (Oliver Heindorf)
20. No Allied Heavy Bombers stationed in china – no 4 engine bombers may conduct Bombing raids from Chinese bases – this to reflect the lack of fuel and supplies the Chinese had to use such planes – This is a new rule I came up with after seeing Rob base hundreds of Allied heavy bombers (RAF and US B-17s) in china to hit what should be secure rear bases
Many of these rules are from my previous game and Oli had a few additions. Rule #20 came about from my previous experience with Rob where he would base B-17s and RAF Heavy Bombers in Chinese bases and hit Industry in 'safe' bases. Oli & I agreed there was little to no way China had the fuel or muntions to mount those kind of air raids - India / Burma is another matter.
IIRC the Allies did base bomber squadrons in China for a time, but I'm not sure they were four-engine bombers. The IJA found it necessary to mount an offensive to seize the airfields. May I suggest that you allow heavy bombers in China if the Burma Road is open?
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Oliver Heindorf
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RE: War of Pride: IJN (Xargun) vs Allies (Oliver Heindorf)
Hi there,
we agreed to the china thing becasue of the lack of supply there and we both agreed that we 'could' speak of it again in the future but then only 1 group of planes are allowed and only late '44 at earliest ( we both wanted to exclude huge massive raids from china in 1942 1943 becasue it is simply unrealistic and the game allows this ).
about the allied ub doctrine I didnt know that there was an bug - any details ? I think its minor otherwise they would have fixed it.
Luskan warned me that Xargun can be very nasty - already proven but hey, I can take a lot of pain, I am a cyclist. I like it nasty btw. imho, Xargun is wasting his best pilots - so far over 40+ TOP pilots have lost their lives to factories which can be rebuild. He did not get his pilots back - and the lack of good pilotas will cost him only KB earlier than later. the losses are bad but not over-exceeded atm. front news will follow later as I am off now towards the atlantic ocean, taking a boat and sail a bit around
we agreed to the china thing becasue of the lack of supply there and we both agreed that we 'could' speak of it again in the future but then only 1 group of planes are allowed and only late '44 at earliest ( we both wanted to exclude huge massive raids from china in 1942 1943 becasue it is simply unrealistic and the game allows this ).
about the allied ub doctrine I didnt know that there was an bug - any details ? I think its minor otherwise they would have fixed it.
Luskan warned me that Xargun can be very nasty - already proven but hey, I can take a lot of pain, I am a cyclist. I like it nasty btw. imho, Xargun is wasting his best pilots - so far over 40+ TOP pilots have lost their lives to factories which can be rebuild. He did not get his pilots back - and the lack of good pilotas will cost him only KB earlier than later. the losses are bad but not over-exceeded atm. front news will follow later as I am off now towards the atlantic ocean, taking a boat and sail a bit around
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RE: War of Pride: IJN (Xargun) vs Allies (Oliver Heindorf)
"I have noticed writing this Insights is tough.. I am still used to the privacy of the AAR from my game with Rob and I have to check everything twice before I post it now.. Oh well."
Hi Xarg .. i was a fan of your and RRobs game and glad to see you back in the xargunite saddle again [&o]
why not do 2 threads ?? as a reader its a lot more interesting to hear your future thoughts and allows us poor mortals to give comments/advice . this also goes for Oli as well .. as i do like to compare the players
.. [;)]anyway .. good luck to the both of you and have a great game ..
sorry for the spelling . English is my main language , I just can't type . and i'm too lazy to edit
Dec 9th, 1941
A very quiet day in a war that opened with a bang.
More men poured ashore at Khota Bharu braving the british gunfire - very few men were hurt in what is the last of the unloading and now I hope the ships concentrate on unloading supplies.
The RAF was very quiet this turn in Malaysia and it makes me wonder if I hurt it worse than I thought or they are just reorganizing and base hoping. Hard to say, as intel still shows enemy planes at most bases in Malaya.
Unfortunately IJN SS I-26 was run down by 7 US DDs off the coast of San Diego and was pummeled by dozens of depth charges - she sank with all hands.
My initial attack against Changsha met with good results - 700 chinese lost to 300 Japanese - I like those odds.
Not much more happened this turn.. I pulled back the KB from Pearl but will not say which direction or what their future plans are - they have left Pearl in shambles - ships burning and their repair facilites beatup badly. I suppose I will refuel and head off to cause havoc elsewhere with my CVs... but where ???
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Insight
A very slow day actually. I expected more RAF action and thought I might get to see Force Z in action - but neither happened. Makes me wonder where he slipped Force Z off too... My guess is south into the DEI to force me to escort my invasion fleets - not a problem as I have my BBs spread out to do just that. As soon as IJN fleet CVs make an appearance in the DEI I am sure he will run away with everything in range.
I was also surprised my baby CV fleet didn't find anything to sink [&:] Oh well the pilots can use the rest to keep their fatigue down and they will find something soon I am sure.. He can't hide to many places.
I dropped off more men at Admiralty Island and will take it this turn - damn sub commandos always getting the troops hurt, but not anything else on landing so I can bombard a base, but not actually take it... [:@] just frustrating some times - don't load mortars or AT guns, just take men and more men... oh well..
More men poured ashore at Khota Bharu braving the british gunfire - very few men were hurt in what is the last of the unloading and now I hope the ships concentrate on unloading supplies.
The RAF was very quiet this turn in Malaysia and it makes me wonder if I hurt it worse than I thought or they are just reorganizing and base hoping. Hard to say, as intel still shows enemy planes at most bases in Malaya.
Unfortunately IJN SS I-26 was run down by 7 US DDs off the coast of San Diego and was pummeled by dozens of depth charges - she sank with all hands.
My initial attack against Changsha met with good results - 700 chinese lost to 300 Japanese - I like those odds.
Not much more happened this turn.. I pulled back the KB from Pearl but will not say which direction or what their future plans are - they have left Pearl in shambles - ships burning and their repair facilites beatup badly. I suppose I will refuel and head off to cause havoc elsewhere with my CVs... but where ???
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Insight
A very slow day actually. I expected more RAF action and thought I might get to see Force Z in action - but neither happened. Makes me wonder where he slipped Force Z off too... My guess is south into the DEI to force me to escort my invasion fleets - not a problem as I have my BBs spread out to do just that. As soon as IJN fleet CVs make an appearance in the DEI I am sure he will run away with everything in range.
I was also surprised my baby CV fleet didn't find anything to sink [&:] Oh well the pilots can use the rest to keep their fatigue down and they will find something soon I am sure.. He can't hide to many places.
I dropped off more men at Admiralty Island and will take it this turn - damn sub commandos always getting the troops hurt, but not anything else on landing so I can bombard a base, but not actually take it... [:@] just frustrating some times - don't load mortars or AT guns, just take men and more men... oh well..
RE: War of Pride: IJN (Xargun) vs Allies (Oliver Heindorf)
ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK
Hi Xarg .. i was a fan of your and RRobs game and glad to see you back in the xargunite saddle again [&o]
why not do 2 threads ?? as a reader its a lot more interesting to hear your future thoughts and allows us poor mortals to give comments/advice . this also goes for Oli as well .. as i do like to compare the players
anyway .. good luck to the both of you and have a great game ..
I am considering doing a second thread with my thoughts and such in it.. but am not sure yet.
Xargun
Waiting
Oli is on vacation again and we should resume play this weekend - probably some time sunday.
Xargun
Xargun
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Oliver Heindorf
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RE: Waiting
as Xargun said - not much happend. KB slipped away but I dunno where they have gone. Well, since I cant fight KB it really doesnt matter where they have gone - I cant change it anyway so I really dont care at all. When KB appears I run away - simple as that. Force Z is away and safe - other assests are running away too. Micro KB is SE of Mindanao heading south - good, I can move off now my ships farther north. the usual cat&dog game in 12/41 in the usual area.
ASW ops will be important on the West coast - but I cant say much of it now as we didnt played long enough to know each other much in each others tactics. only time will tell I guess he is hiding his sups in the middle of the ocean ( to avoid land based AC's ). I already have a plan for this as I played Harpoon zillion's of hours.
3 BB's sunk from his raids and I have lost a lot of repair yard capacity. the rest of the fleet is mauled up badly, esp. capital ships . The DD's have gotten away without a hit - good for ASW dudy in the upcoming months. the air groups at PH are nearly gone - it will take a while before they are build up.
ASW ops will be important on the West coast - but I cant say much of it now as we didnt played long enough to know each other much in each others tactics. only time will tell
I guess he is hiding his sups in the middle of the ocean ( to avoid land based AC's ). I already have a plan for this as I played Harpoon zillion's of hours.3 BB's sunk from his raids and I have lost a lot of repair yard capacity. the rest of the fleet is mauled up badly, esp. capital ships . The DD's have gotten away without a hit - good for ASW dudy in the upcoming months. the air groups at PH are nearly gone - it will take a while before they are build up.
Dec 10th, 1941
Oli is back from vacation and the war continues...
IJA troops disembark on Nauru Island and after searching the island and finding no evidence of enemy troops they claim the island for Japan.
A large air raid on Singapore arrives at dawn and surprisingly meets no aerial opposition. As the 76 Nells make runs on the port, the escorting zeros have nothing to do. The air raid was successful claiming nearly a dozen bomb hits on the CL Mauritius, and at least one bomb hit on 3 DDs and a MSW. Several Nells failed to return and many were damaged - but overall a successful port raid.
The RAF appeared in the skies over northern Malaya attempting to contest the landing at Khota Bharu. Unfortunately the RAF concentrated their attacks on the BBs Haruna and Kongo - and were unable to score a single hit. LR CAP and flak brought down numerous RAF planes and drove the majority of the bombers away without even launching their attacks.
Allied air attacks against cargo ships at Lingayan and Lamon Bay were heavy, but due to flak and LR fighter cover, only 2 APs were hit. The fires were brought under control almost imediately as there was very little left in either ship.
Near Menado a single allied AVD was spotted and every bomber within range was called in. In all 45 Kates were launched against the single enemy ship [X(] Of course its destruction was reported shortly thereafter with claims of it being hit by up to 4 torpedoes.
My attack at Changsha was not successful in taking the base, but knocked fortitfications down to 1. In the fighting only 600 IJA troops were wounded, while claiming over 900 chinese casualties. Another day or two of this and Changsha should fall.
My men at Khota Bharu also attacked. They lowered the defenses to 2 and only lost 75 men to the claims off of over 300 allied troops. Hopefully our next attack will capture the base.
IJA troops captured Admiralty Island as well against no opposition.
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INSIGHT
Well not much to report this turn except that my raid on Singapore port was mildly successful. I was attempting to see what ships were in port - on the off chance Force Z was sitting alongside the piers. The RN battlewagons are gone, but my planes managed to damage 3 DDs, 1 MSW and probably seriously damage a CL. Not bad for a glorified scouting mission. It will be a couple days before the Nell units are ready to fly again, but that ok. I kept several in reserve to fly naval attack missions in the meantime.
Now all I need to do is spot the US CVs and Force Z and I will be good to go with round 2 of my invasions.
IJA troops disembark on Nauru Island and after searching the island and finding no evidence of enemy troops they claim the island for Japan.
A large air raid on Singapore arrives at dawn and surprisingly meets no aerial opposition. As the 76 Nells make runs on the port, the escorting zeros have nothing to do. The air raid was successful claiming nearly a dozen bomb hits on the CL Mauritius, and at least one bomb hit on 3 DDs and a MSW. Several Nells failed to return and many were damaged - but overall a successful port raid.
The RAF appeared in the skies over northern Malaya attempting to contest the landing at Khota Bharu. Unfortunately the RAF concentrated their attacks on the BBs Haruna and Kongo - and were unable to score a single hit. LR CAP and flak brought down numerous RAF planes and drove the majority of the bombers away without even launching their attacks.
Allied air attacks against cargo ships at Lingayan and Lamon Bay were heavy, but due to flak and LR fighter cover, only 2 APs were hit. The fires were brought under control almost imediately as there was very little left in either ship.
Near Menado a single allied AVD was spotted and every bomber within range was called in. In all 45 Kates were launched against the single enemy ship [X(] Of course its destruction was reported shortly thereafter with claims of it being hit by up to 4 torpedoes.
My attack at Changsha was not successful in taking the base, but knocked fortitfications down to 1. In the fighting only 600 IJA troops were wounded, while claiming over 900 chinese casualties. Another day or two of this and Changsha should fall.
My men at Khota Bharu also attacked. They lowered the defenses to 2 and only lost 75 men to the claims off of over 300 allied troops. Hopefully our next attack will capture the base.
IJA troops captured Admiralty Island as well against no opposition.
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INSIGHT
Well not much to report this turn except that my raid on Singapore port was mildly successful. I was attempting to see what ships were in port - on the off chance Force Z was sitting alongside the piers. The RN battlewagons are gone, but my planes managed to damage 3 DDs, 1 MSW and probably seriously damage a CL. Not bad for a glorified scouting mission. It will be a couple days before the Nell units are ready to fly again, but that ok. I kept several in reserve to fly naval attack missions in the meantime.
Now all I need to do is spot the US CVs and Force Z and I will be good to go with round 2 of my invasions.
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Oliver Heindorf
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RE: Dec 10th, 1941
Singapore was an instresting battle. 26 Nells are gone along with their pilots - wow. No air defence was there becasue of 0,0 CAP - but this saved my machines & pilots as I assume that they would have been smashed anyway. the ships at sing are badly mauled up - lets see if I can save them or not. Khota Bahru and Changsa are hopeless but what else can describe the allied situation in 12/41 ? [:'(] all in all the game continues slowly and silent, just a few bangs here and there, nothing special. I have currently undergoing some operations which I cant post yet as they are currently on their way.
on the bad news - reinforcemntes are far away and I will have to fight with what I have. US CV's and Force Z will hide until further note.
on the bad news - reinforcemntes are far away and I will have to fight with what I have. US CV's and Force Z will hide until further note.
Dec 12th, 1941
Despite a few setbacks, this was a good day for the Japanese war machine as you will soon see.
SE of Singapore IJN I-156 spots DD Isis making a break for it and puts a torpedo into her. Hopefully this will slow the DD down enough for ground based bombers to finish her.
Next was coralling and extinguishing of not just 1, or 2, but 3 IJN subs. Two near Pearl Harbor and 1 just west of Batavia were heavily attacked and sunk by allied ASW ships. None of the subs managed to get off a shot.
Just south of Palembang I-162 located DD Thracian and put a fish into her. Unfortunately the DD managed to limp away from the sub.
After various recon flights Japanese pilot hit their main target for the day - the port of Manilla. With intel reports showing very few ships in Philippine waters it was gambled that they may be holed up in Manilla's port and the gamble was right. Although the sub pens were empty, the 90 Japanese bombers found many targets for their bombs and torpedoes. In all 5 AKs, 2 MSW, 1 AV, 1 AVD, 1 AS and 1 PG were damaged, with the PG Isabel sinking. All ships were reportedly burning as the raid left. Even better news was the lack of casualties on the raid. The Philippine gunners must have been asleep during the raid. Over 300 enemy troops were reported killed or injured as well.
My recon intel from last turn showed me something interesting. Last turn 5 DDs sailed right overtop one of my subs SW of Pearl - they did not attack which led me to believe they were part of a surface group - after checking intel on the ships identified, they were last reported escorting the Lady Lex on manuevers !!!! The TF stopped just 60 miles SW of Pearl and Nagumo took a risk.. Nagumo ordered his CVs back to pearl for a chance to catch the Lady Lex as she made port - afterall the US CVs were his original targets.
The turn went fine until the US CV TF reacted to Nagumo's TF moving towards pearl and moved 50 miles NE of pearl and launched a first strike. 19 F2A Buffalo and 34 SBD Dauntless bombers appeared in the skies over Nagumo's fleet - 34 Zeros were on CAP. After a bitter air battle, in which the majority (if not all) US fighters were shot down, the SBDs broke through the CAP and made their runs.... At first I was worried but luckily the quality of the US bomber pilots was low and they only managed to land 1 bomb on the BB Hiei - which burned some paint off her.
After absorbing the US's first strike, Nagumo sent everything he had against the US Carrier TF. 20 Zeros, 31 Vals and 24 Kates attacked the US CV TF just northeast of pearl - luckily no aircraft from Pearl was sighted or partook in any of the battles. The Lady Lex managed to sorty 3 Buffalo fighters which were quickly overmatched and destroyed. The Vals and Kates then made their runs on the lady Lex. 3 IJN bombers were shot down by flak, but the rest were able to land 5 bomb and 5 torpedo hits on the Lady Lex !!! [:D] A followup raid of 6 zeros, 19 Vals and 24 Kates reported not finding the lady Lex and landed 4 bombs on the CA Chicago and 3 torpedoes into the CA Portland. Intell later reported both the Lady Lex and the CA Portland as sunk !!!! And thats not all the good news.
Admiral Nagumo had refueled yesterday and split his TF. Part of his CVs were sent west back towards home. When the intel came in about the possible CV sighting he ordered both parts to approach pearl from the North and Northwest. The second part of Nagumo's TF sent fighters to help protect his main fleet (LR CAP) and also prepared for naval action themselves and they spotted several ships nearby. Two air raids were launched each at 1 ship TFs. The first TF consisted of the US BB California. The California was all alone and took 14 bombs and 4 torpedoes before sinking [:D] The second raid found the DM Sicard all by itself and hit it with 4 bombs and 4 torpedoes.. The ship exploded and sunk rapidly !
As this all happened I thought I had a great turn (except for the 3 IJN subs lost) until the CA Louisville appeared out of no where and hammered the TF at Nauru Island. The CA sunk 1 AP outright, and mauled 2 more as well as the 2 PG escort. Reports indicate 2 return shots hit the Louisville but it is doubtful that they penetrated the ship's armor. The ships are fleeing for safety as bombers are being called in... Unfortunately the TF was in the midst of loading an IJN NLF and many of them were killed / wounded in the breif battle.
On the ground the chinese troops at Yenen repelled the IJA attack there, but my men reduced the forts to level 1. I lost nearly 2000 men while claiming only 600 chinese troops wounded. One more push and Yenen should fall.
At Alor Star my men attacked and were pushed back there as well. IJA losses were 600 and British losses 350. The defenses were reduced and one more good push should capture the base.
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INSIGHT
WOW !!! I got a US CV, BB and a CA all in one turn... WOW !!! When I saw the TF last turn near Pearl I was surprised he would bring a CV back to pearl only 1 day after I raided it. He most have thought I left for good as not only did he bring back a CV, he sent out ships damaged in the Pearl raids - both the California and Sicard were damaged in the opening air raids. My recon has spotted several other TFs in the area and I wonder what they contain... But then all of my CVs are getting low on fuel (again) and moral on my air groups is low. I should escape while I can and head home before the sub net around pearl increases to much - I have spotted at least 6 subs around pearl.
My raid on Manilla was a success, although I was kinda hoping to find subs sitting there - to much to ask for I guess. I lost like 1 plane on the Manilla raid and had like 10 damaged - although their morale and fatigue is shot, it will only be a few days before they are all ready to go again.
My lack of naval strikes around Malaya is making me mad - I have units set for strike, but several allied ships have been spotted well within bomber range and no attacks have been launched - not sure why. Oh well..
Due to the heavy losses in subs, I am re-evaluating my sub operations. I believe I have lost like 6 subs so far - way more than I like. So I will adjust my plans accordingly.
Overall a good day for me despite the subs and the fiasco at Nauru. In all I am very happy.
SE of Singapore IJN I-156 spots DD Isis making a break for it and puts a torpedo into her. Hopefully this will slow the DD down enough for ground based bombers to finish her.
Next was coralling and extinguishing of not just 1, or 2, but 3 IJN subs. Two near Pearl Harbor and 1 just west of Batavia were heavily attacked and sunk by allied ASW ships. None of the subs managed to get off a shot.
Just south of Palembang I-162 located DD Thracian and put a fish into her. Unfortunately the DD managed to limp away from the sub.
After various recon flights Japanese pilot hit their main target for the day - the port of Manilla. With intel reports showing very few ships in Philippine waters it was gambled that they may be holed up in Manilla's port and the gamble was right. Although the sub pens were empty, the 90 Japanese bombers found many targets for their bombs and torpedoes. In all 5 AKs, 2 MSW, 1 AV, 1 AVD, 1 AS and 1 PG were damaged, with the PG Isabel sinking. All ships were reportedly burning as the raid left. Even better news was the lack of casualties on the raid. The Philippine gunners must have been asleep during the raid. Over 300 enemy troops were reported killed or injured as well.
My recon intel from last turn showed me something interesting. Last turn 5 DDs sailed right overtop one of my subs SW of Pearl - they did not attack which led me to believe they were part of a surface group - after checking intel on the ships identified, they were last reported escorting the Lady Lex on manuevers !!!! The TF stopped just 60 miles SW of Pearl and Nagumo took a risk.. Nagumo ordered his CVs back to pearl for a chance to catch the Lady Lex as she made port - afterall the US CVs were his original targets.
The turn went fine until the US CV TF reacted to Nagumo's TF moving towards pearl and moved 50 miles NE of pearl and launched a first strike. 19 F2A Buffalo and 34 SBD Dauntless bombers appeared in the skies over Nagumo's fleet - 34 Zeros were on CAP. After a bitter air battle, in which the majority (if not all) US fighters were shot down, the SBDs broke through the CAP and made their runs.... At first I was worried but luckily the quality of the US bomber pilots was low and they only managed to land 1 bomb on the BB Hiei - which burned some paint off her.
After absorbing the US's first strike, Nagumo sent everything he had against the US Carrier TF. 20 Zeros, 31 Vals and 24 Kates attacked the US CV TF just northeast of pearl - luckily no aircraft from Pearl was sighted or partook in any of the battles. The Lady Lex managed to sorty 3 Buffalo fighters which were quickly overmatched and destroyed. The Vals and Kates then made their runs on the lady Lex. 3 IJN bombers were shot down by flak, but the rest were able to land 5 bomb and 5 torpedo hits on the Lady Lex !!! [:D] A followup raid of 6 zeros, 19 Vals and 24 Kates reported not finding the lady Lex and landed 4 bombs on the CA Chicago and 3 torpedoes into the CA Portland. Intell later reported both the Lady Lex and the CA Portland as sunk !!!! And thats not all the good news.
Admiral Nagumo had refueled yesterday and split his TF. Part of his CVs were sent west back towards home. When the intel came in about the possible CV sighting he ordered both parts to approach pearl from the North and Northwest. The second part of Nagumo's TF sent fighters to help protect his main fleet (LR CAP) and also prepared for naval action themselves and they spotted several ships nearby. Two air raids were launched each at 1 ship TFs. The first TF consisted of the US BB California. The California was all alone and took 14 bombs and 4 torpedoes before sinking [:D] The second raid found the DM Sicard all by itself and hit it with 4 bombs and 4 torpedoes.. The ship exploded and sunk rapidly !
As this all happened I thought I had a great turn (except for the 3 IJN subs lost) until the CA Louisville appeared out of no where and hammered the TF at Nauru Island. The CA sunk 1 AP outright, and mauled 2 more as well as the 2 PG escort. Reports indicate 2 return shots hit the Louisville but it is doubtful that they penetrated the ship's armor. The ships are fleeing for safety as bombers are being called in... Unfortunately the TF was in the midst of loading an IJN NLF and many of them were killed / wounded in the breif battle.
On the ground the chinese troops at Yenen repelled the IJA attack there, but my men reduced the forts to level 1. I lost nearly 2000 men while claiming only 600 chinese troops wounded. One more push and Yenen should fall.
At Alor Star my men attacked and were pushed back there as well. IJA losses were 600 and British losses 350. The defenses were reduced and one more good push should capture the base.
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INSIGHT
WOW !!! I got a US CV, BB and a CA all in one turn... WOW !!! When I saw the TF last turn near Pearl I was surprised he would bring a CV back to pearl only 1 day after I raided it. He most have thought I left for good as not only did he bring back a CV, he sent out ships damaged in the Pearl raids - both the California and Sicard were damaged in the opening air raids. My recon has spotted several other TFs in the area and I wonder what they contain... But then all of my CVs are getting low on fuel (again) and moral on my air groups is low. I should escape while I can and head home before the sub net around pearl increases to much - I have spotted at least 6 subs around pearl.
My raid on Manilla was a success, although I was kinda hoping to find subs sitting there - to much to ask for I guess. I lost like 1 plane on the Manilla raid and had like 10 damaged - although their morale and fatigue is shot, it will only be a few days before they are all ready to go again.
My lack of naval strikes around Malaya is making me mad - I have units set for strike, but several allied ships have been spotted well within bomber range and no attacks have been launched - not sure why. Oh well..
Due to the heavy losses in subs, I am re-evaluating my sub operations. I believe I have lost like 6 subs so far - way more than I like. So I will adjust my plans accordingly.
Overall a good day for me despite the subs and the fiasco at Nauru. In all I am very happy.
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Oliver Heindorf
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RE: Dec 12th, 1941
*little cry baby moduns ON*
wuuhuuuhahääää, i will never play this again and i refuse to continue to play....whuhhuuuuuhääääääääääääää
*little cry baby modus OFF*
Well I got warned by Luskan...now I know what he meant. About the Lex - I never told her to attack..its the usual game meachnism....if you want your CV's to react, they obey orders and refuse whatz they ought to do. If you want them to sit tight and do nothing they react . I just wanted to refuel her and sent her somewhere safe.
The other ships in the area - they were heading away from pearl for repairs. obvisiously, it didnt worked. stuff happens.
Nauru - I knew he didnt sent proper escorts it was a gamble and I won the gamble.
About Sub ops - as I said before I played zillions of hours harpoon hunting down subs - I am familar with sub-hunting routines. Ask Luskan, so far he lost 25+ subs within 4 months in our game - if Xargun want to receive the same lesson, he is always welcomed to have it as well. [:D]
I feel like an idiot now with all the losses Xargun inflicted to me but hey, thats a game and I play against one of the best players in the world - no complains here on my side !
the 2 DD's were running away from hostile waters - if you run away with high speed you have a chance to run into a sub - bang. But I have already moved out some assets of the PI's Xargun isnt aware of. he didnt even spotted them - so far.
game will be on halt until friday morning CET becasue today is UEFA Champions League and tomorrow plays my home soccer team HSV against FC Kopenhagen in the UEFA Cup. I may start to play in the breaks of the game but I am still at work now so I donkt know. I promise to have the turn friday morning CET at Xargun. The losses inflicted by Xargun are nasty and bad but nothing to worry really of BUT if HSV looses the game tomorrow I really get mad [:@] [;)]
good hunting.
wuuhuuuhahääää, i will never play this again and i refuse to continue to play....whuhhuuuuuhääääääääääääää
*little cry baby modus OFF*
Well I got warned by Luskan...now I know what he meant. About the Lex - I never told her to attack..its the usual game meachnism....if you want your CV's to react, they obey orders and refuse whatz they ought to do. If you want them to sit tight and do nothing they react . I just wanted to refuel her and sent her somewhere safe.
The other ships in the area - they were heading away from pearl for repairs. obvisiously, it didnt worked. stuff happens.
Nauru - I knew he didnt sent proper escorts it was a gamble and I won the gamble.
About Sub ops - as I said before I played zillions of hours harpoon hunting down subs - I am familar with sub-hunting routines. Ask Luskan, so far he lost 25+ subs within 4 months in our game - if Xargun want to receive the same lesson, he is always welcomed to have it as well. [:D]
I feel like an idiot now with all the losses Xargun inflicted to me but hey, thats a game and I play against one of the best players in the world - no complains here on my side !
the 2 DD's were running away from hostile waters - if you run away with high speed you have a chance to run into a sub - bang. But I have already moved out some assets of the PI's Xargun isnt aware of. he didnt even spotted them - so far.
game will be on halt until friday morning CET becasue today is UEFA Champions League and tomorrow plays my home soccer team HSV against FC Kopenhagen in the UEFA Cup. I may start to play in the breaks of the game but I am still at work now so I donkt know. I promise to have the turn friday morning CET at Xargun. The losses inflicted by Xargun are nasty and bad but nothing to worry really of BUT if HSV looses the game tomorrow I really get mad [:@] [;)]
good hunting.
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Oliver Heindorf
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RE: War of Pride: IJN (Xargun) vs Allies (Oliver Heindorf)
played the turn and checked results again....what totallitarian systems never say is the bad news side....he lost nearly 2000 men in china on a fruitless attack at Yenan....
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RE: War of Pride: IJN (Xargun) vs Allies (Oliver Heindorf)
played the turn and checked results again....what totallitarian systems never say is the bad news side....he lost nearly 2000 men in china on a fruitless attack at Yenan....
Actually, Xargun did say that. But he doesn't consider it a fruitless attack, since he reduced the fort level to 1. For what my opinion is worth, he's going to take the place soon.
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