Aircraft weapons range
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Aircraft weapons range
Has anyone tried how reducing aircraft weapon range affecs air combat ?? It seems that most weapons have huge range compared to what can be a realistic combat range.
"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-
RE: Aircraft weapons range
Anyone care to test ?? Or do I have to do that myself ? [:'(]
"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-
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RE: Aircraft weapons range
Sorry, Sardaukar, looks like you'll have to do some of the work yourself...[:D]
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RE: Aircraft weapons range
Figures !! it's so hard to get good help nowadays !! [:D]
But anyhow, I think reducing weapon range might reduce "combat phases" in air combat..making it less deadly. Could also screw the game totally... OK..have to give it a go..[:'(]
But anyhow, I think reducing weapon range might reduce "combat phases" in air combat..making it less deadly. Could also screw the game totally... OK..have to give it a go..[:'(]
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RE: Aircraft weapons range
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Figures !! it's so hard to get good help nowadays !! [:D]
But anyhow, I think reducing weapon range might reduce "combat phases" in air combat..making it less deadly. Could also screw the game totally... OK..have to give it a go..[:'(]
Let us know how it goes.
I am considering doing things similar to the changes in Nik's mod - increasing aircraft durability, and increasing ground AA weapon effectiveness to compensate. That should also result in less bloody air warfare. It will be a while yet before I can test it though...
RE: Aircraft weapons range
ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown
Let us know how it goes.
I am considering doing things similar to the changes in Nik's mod - increasing aircraft durability, and increasing ground AA weapon effectiveness to compensate. That should also result in less bloody air warfare. It will be a while yet before I can test it though...
I think someone posted that numbers of AA weapon in units was also way too low. That might also help a bit if TOEs were corrected.
"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-
RE: Aircraft weapons range
OK..did some testing about weapon range effects in fighter vs. fighter combat. Planes were taken straight from CHS1.06 and tests were run under official 1.6 patch (non-beta). FOW etc. were off, off course
I had 2x27 A6M2 and 2x27 P-40E in size 10 bases, range to each other was 2. Fighters were making sweeps to each other bases, altitude 15 000. Attacking units were put on full sweep, defending ones on 90% CAP.
Unmodified comparison results: 492 planes participating to air combat, 91 destroyed + 17 damaged.
Modified the weapons in fighters by dropping hteir range to half or close to that. A6M2 had Mgs reduced from range 3 to 2, 20 mm cannons from 5 to 2. P-40Es had .50 cal reduced from range 4 to 2.
Results were: 491 planes participating to air combat, 91 destroyed + 13 damaged.
So it didn't seem to do much...
Then I decided to be bit more scientific and run air combat 12 times with exactly the same settings, restarting the test scenarios after each combat. Weapon modifications were same. A6M2s were making sweeps at 15 000 against P-40E CAP (90%) at 15 000.
Unmodified results: 648 A6M2 participating, 80 destroyed, 3 damaged.
378 P-40E participating, 118 destroyed, 43 damaged.
Modified results: 648 A6M2 participating, 81 destroyed, 9 damaged.
369 P-40E participating, 112 destroyed, 39 damaged.
So, even though results may not be total proof statistically, reducing weapon range in fighter vs. fighter combat has very small effect...if having effect at all. So it's not a way to reduce air-to-air losses, it seems.
Now that I have created test scenario, it'll be easy to test weapon accuracy modifications or durability modifications and their effect in fighter vs. fighter combat. Andrew Brown, want me to try to check how weapon accuracy effects ?? I think durability doesn't need much testing, but can do that too.
I had 2x27 A6M2 and 2x27 P-40E in size 10 bases, range to each other was 2. Fighters were making sweeps to each other bases, altitude 15 000. Attacking units were put on full sweep, defending ones on 90% CAP.
Unmodified comparison results: 492 planes participating to air combat, 91 destroyed + 17 damaged.
Modified the weapons in fighters by dropping hteir range to half or close to that. A6M2 had Mgs reduced from range 3 to 2, 20 mm cannons from 5 to 2. P-40Es had .50 cal reduced from range 4 to 2.
Results were: 491 planes participating to air combat, 91 destroyed + 13 damaged.
So it didn't seem to do much...
Then I decided to be bit more scientific and run air combat 12 times with exactly the same settings, restarting the test scenarios after each combat. Weapon modifications were same. A6M2s were making sweeps at 15 000 against P-40E CAP (90%) at 15 000.
Unmodified results: 648 A6M2 participating, 80 destroyed, 3 damaged.
378 P-40E participating, 118 destroyed, 43 damaged.
Modified results: 648 A6M2 participating, 81 destroyed, 9 damaged.
369 P-40E participating, 112 destroyed, 39 damaged.
So, even though results may not be total proof statistically, reducing weapon range in fighter vs. fighter combat has very small effect...if having effect at all. So it's not a way to reduce air-to-air losses, it seems.
Now that I have created test scenario, it'll be easy to test weapon accuracy modifications or durability modifications and their effect in fighter vs. fighter combat. Andrew Brown, want me to try to check how weapon accuracy effects ?? I think durability doesn't need much testing, but can do that too.
"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-
RE: Aircraft weapons range
Here's a rethreat of a test I did some months ago. It didn't meet with much interest, I'm afraid, so I didn't pursue it further. However I still feel that reducing gun accuracy might hold some promise. It also has the advantage that it only really effects A2A combat and thus doesn't have the knock-on effects of increasing durability.
1A: Vanilla settings, max XP & MRL
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on sweep (CAP 10%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 Kittyhawk (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby from Lae (fighter sweep):
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 92
Allied aircraft:
Kittyhawk I x 67
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 17 destroyed (18.5%)
Allied aircraft losses:
Kittyhawk I: 27 destroyed, 5 damaged (40.3% + 7.5%)
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1B: Vanilla settings, middling XP & MRL
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 (XP 50, MRL 50, FTG 12) on sweep (CAP 10%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 Kittyhawk (XP 50, MRL 50, FTG 13) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby from Lae (fighter sweep):
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 92
Allied aircraft:
Kittyhawk I x 67
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged (9.8% + 1.1%)
Allied aircraft losses:
Kittyhawk I: 20 destroyed, 5 damaged (29.9% + 7.5%)
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1C: Identical to 1A, only guns ranges set to 1 and accuracy cut by 50% (round up):
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on sweep (CAP 10%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 Kittyhawk (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby from Lae (fighter sweep):
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 92
Allied aircraft:
Kittyhawk I x 67
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed (12.0%)
Allied aircraft losses:
Kittyhawk I: 17 destroyed, 3 damaged (25.4% + 4.5%)
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1D: Identical to 1B, only guns ranges set to 1 and accuracy cut by 50% (round up):
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 (XP 50, MRL 50, FTG 12) on sweep (CAP 10%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 Kittyhawk (XP 50, MRL 50, FTG 13) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby from Lae (fighter sweep):
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 92
Allied aircraft:
Kittyhawk I x 67
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 3 (3.3%)
Allied aircraft losses:
Kittyhawk I: 6 destroyed, 4 damaged (9.0% + 6.0%)
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Comparative loss percentage, tests 1A-1D:
1A:
A6M2: 18.5%
Kittyhawk I: 40.3% + 7.5%
Ratio: 1:2.6
1B:
A6M2: 9.8% + 1.1%
Kittyhawk I: 29.9% + 7.5%
Ratio: 1:3.4
1C:
A6M2: 12.0%
Kittyhawk I: 25.4% + 4.5%
Ratio: 1:2.5
1D:
A6M2: 3.3%
Kittyhawk I: 9.0% + 6.0%
Ratio: 1:4.6
Loss ratio of total aircraft involved:
1A-1B: 1.4:1.0
1C-1D: 2.4:1.0
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A couple of stock WitP encounters, guns ranges set to 1 and accuracy cut by 50% (round up):
2A: A6M2's vs P-40E's.
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 (XP 80, MRL 50, FTG 12) on sweep (CAP 10%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 P-40E (XP 50, MRL 50, FTG 13) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby from Lae (fighter sweep):
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 92
Allied aircraft:
P-40E Warhawk x 50
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed (4.3%)
Allied aircraft losses:
P-40E Warhawk: 12 destroyed, 5 damaged (24.0%/10.0%)
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2B: F4U-1's vs A6M5's.
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M5 (XP 50, MRL 50, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 F4U-1 (XP 75, MRL 50, FTG 13) on sweep (CAP 10%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Lae from Port Moresby (fighter sweep):
Japanese aircraft:
A6M5 Zeke x 50
Allied aircraft:
F4U-1 Corsair x 89
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M5 Zeke: 12 destroyed (24.0%)
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2C: G4M1's vs F4F-4's.
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 G4M1 (XP 80, MRL 50, FTG 12) on port attack at 5,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 F4F-4 (XP 60, MRL 50, FTG 13) on escort (CAP 50%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby port from Lae:
Japanese aircraft:
G4M1 Betty x 89
Allied aircraft:
F4F-4 Wildcat x 37
Japanese aircraft losses:
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 20 damaged (2.3% + 22.5%)
Allied aircraft losses:
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 damaged (13.5%)
Aircraft Attacking: (pct. surviving CAP: 97.8%)
56 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
31 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
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Floggin' an ol' warhorse...
3A: B-17E vs KI-61 KAIc, vanilla version.
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 Ki-61 KAIc Tony (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 B-17E (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on port attack at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Lae port from Port Moresby:
Japanese aircraft:
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 67
Allied aircraft:
B-17E Fortress x 93
Japanese aircraft losses:
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 3 destroyed, 32 damaged (4.5% + 47.8%)
Allied aircraft losses:
B-17E Fortress: 25 destroyed, 32 damaged (26.9% + 34.4%)
Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Port hits 1
Aircraft Attacking: (pct. surviving CAP: 73.1%)
59 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
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3B: B-17E vs KI-61 KAIc, gun range set to 1 & accuracy cut by 50% (round up).
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 Ki-61 KAIc Tony (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 B-17E (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on port attack at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Lae port from Port Moresby:
Japanese aircraft:
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 67
Allied aircraft:
B-17E Fortress x 73
Japanese aircraft losses:
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 1 destroyed, 24 damaged (1.5% + 35.8%)
Allied aircraft losses:
B-17E Fortress: 6 destroyed, 27 damaged (8.2% + 37.0%)
Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Port hits 1
Aircraft Attacking: (Pct. surviving CAP: 91.8%)
36 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
31 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
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Escorted dive-bombers vs CAP
4A: Vanilla.
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 Zero (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 F4F-4 Wildcat (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on escort at 10,000 ft
No. 76 Squadeon RAAF (SLDR R.E.P.Brooker): 100 SBD Dauntless (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 14) on port attack at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Lae port from Port Moresby:
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 67
Allied aircraft:
F4F-4 Wildcat x 88
SBD Dauntless x 88
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 27 destroyed, 2 damaged (40.3% + 3.0%)
Allied aircraft losses:
F4F-4 Wildcat: 13 destroyed, 7 damaged (14.8% + 7.6%)
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed, 19 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
120 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1
Aircraft Attacking: (pct. surviving CAP: 94.3%)
65 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
18 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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4B: Same as 4A, only gun range set to 1.
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 Zero (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 F4F-4 Wildcat (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on escort at 10,000 ft
No. 76 Squadeon RAAF (SLDR R.E.P.Brooker): 100 SBD Dauntless (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 14) on port attack at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Lae port from Port Moresby:
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 67
Allied aircraft:
F4F-4 Wildcat x 95
SBD Dauntless x 88
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 15 destroyed, 4 damaged (22.4% + 6.0%)
Allied aircraft losses:
F4F-4 Wildcat: 18 destroyed, 8 damaged (20.5% + 9.1%)
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed, 21 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
157 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1
Aircraft Attacking: (pct. surviving CAP: 94.3%)
64 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
19 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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4C: Same as 4A, only gun accuracy cut by 50% (round up).
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 Zero (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 F4F-4 Wildcat (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on escort at 10,000 ft
No. 76 Squadeon RAAF (SLDR R.E.P.Brooker): 100 SBD Dauntless (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 14) on port attack at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 67
Allied aircraft:
F4F-4 Wildcat x 95
SBD Dauntless x 88
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 15 destroyed (22.4%)
Allied aircraft losses;
F4F-4 Wildcat: 10 destroyed, 4 damaged (10.5% + 4.2%)
SBD Dauntless: 19 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 3
Aircraft Attacking: (pct. surviving CAP: 100.0%)
67 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
21 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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4D: Same as 4A, only gun range set to 1 and accuracy cut by 50% (round up).
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 Zero (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 F4F-4 Wildcat (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on escort at 10,000 ft
No. 76 Squadeon RAAF (SLDR R.E.P.Brooker): 100 SBD Dauntless (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 14) on port attack at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 67
Allied aircraft:
F4F-4 Wildcat x 95
SBD Dauntless x 88
Japanese aircraft losses.
A6M2 Zero: 14 destroyed (14.7%)
Allied aircraft losses:
F4F-4 Wildcat: 12 destroyed, 4 damaged (12.6% + 4.2%)
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed, 16 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 2
Aircraft Attacking: (pct. surviving CAP: 94.3%)
64 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
19 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Comparative loss percentage, tests 4A-4D, fighters only:
4A:
A6M2: 43.3%
F4F-4: 22.4%
Ratio: 1.9:1.0
4B:
A6M2: 28.4%
F4F-4: 29.6%
Ratio: 1.0:1.0
4C:
A6M2: 22.4%
F4F-4: 14.7%
Ratio: 1.5:1.0
4D:
A6M2: 14.7%
F4F-4: 16.8%
Ratio: 1.0:1.1
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A few preliminary observations:
Individual tests not statistically valid by any means.
Tests 1A-1D suggests that downgrading gun range and accuracy lowers A2A losses.
Relative losses of all aircraft involved, if 1A = 100, then:
1A (vanilla, max XP, MRL): 100
1B: (vanilla, middling XP, MRL): 74
1C: (mod, max XP, MRL): 63
1D: (mod, middling XP, MRL): 27
As the ratio between tests 1A & 1B is 1.4:1.0, and the ratio between 1C & 1D is 2.4:1.0, it is suggested that lowering aircraft gun performance also puts a greater premium on pilot experience.
Relative losses of all fighters involved, if 4A = 100, then:
4A: (vanilla): 100
4B: (range 1): 79
4C: (accuracy 50%): 60
4D: (range 1, accuracy 50%): 62
1A: Vanilla settings, max XP & MRL
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on sweep (CAP 10%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 Kittyhawk (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby from Lae (fighter sweep):
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 92
Allied aircraft:
Kittyhawk I x 67
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 17 destroyed (18.5%)
Allied aircraft losses:
Kittyhawk I: 27 destroyed, 5 damaged (40.3% + 7.5%)
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1B: Vanilla settings, middling XP & MRL
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 (XP 50, MRL 50, FTG 12) on sweep (CAP 10%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 Kittyhawk (XP 50, MRL 50, FTG 13) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby from Lae (fighter sweep):
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 92
Allied aircraft:
Kittyhawk I x 67
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged (9.8% + 1.1%)
Allied aircraft losses:
Kittyhawk I: 20 destroyed, 5 damaged (29.9% + 7.5%)
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1C: Identical to 1A, only guns ranges set to 1 and accuracy cut by 50% (round up):
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on sweep (CAP 10%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 Kittyhawk (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby from Lae (fighter sweep):
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 92
Allied aircraft:
Kittyhawk I x 67
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed (12.0%)
Allied aircraft losses:
Kittyhawk I: 17 destroyed, 3 damaged (25.4% + 4.5%)
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1D: Identical to 1B, only guns ranges set to 1 and accuracy cut by 50% (round up):
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 (XP 50, MRL 50, FTG 12) on sweep (CAP 10%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 Kittyhawk (XP 50, MRL 50, FTG 13) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby from Lae (fighter sweep):
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 92
Allied aircraft:
Kittyhawk I x 67
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 3 (3.3%)
Allied aircraft losses:
Kittyhawk I: 6 destroyed, 4 damaged (9.0% + 6.0%)
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Comparative loss percentage, tests 1A-1D:
1A:
A6M2: 18.5%
Kittyhawk I: 40.3% + 7.5%
Ratio: 1:2.6
1B:
A6M2: 9.8% + 1.1%
Kittyhawk I: 29.9% + 7.5%
Ratio: 1:3.4
1C:
A6M2: 12.0%
Kittyhawk I: 25.4% + 4.5%
Ratio: 1:2.5
1D:
A6M2: 3.3%
Kittyhawk I: 9.0% + 6.0%
Ratio: 1:4.6
Loss ratio of total aircraft involved:
1A-1B: 1.4:1.0
1C-1D: 2.4:1.0
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A couple of stock WitP encounters, guns ranges set to 1 and accuracy cut by 50% (round up):
2A: A6M2's vs P-40E's.
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 (XP 80, MRL 50, FTG 12) on sweep (CAP 10%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 P-40E (XP 50, MRL 50, FTG 13) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby from Lae (fighter sweep):
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 92
Allied aircraft:
P-40E Warhawk x 50
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed (4.3%)
Allied aircraft losses:
P-40E Warhawk: 12 destroyed, 5 damaged (24.0%/10.0%)
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2B: F4U-1's vs A6M5's.
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M5 (XP 50, MRL 50, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 F4U-1 (XP 75, MRL 50, FTG 13) on sweep (CAP 10%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Lae from Port Moresby (fighter sweep):
Japanese aircraft:
A6M5 Zeke x 50
Allied aircraft:
F4U-1 Corsair x 89
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M5 Zeke: 12 destroyed (24.0%)
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2C: G4M1's vs F4F-4's.
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 G4M1 (XP 80, MRL 50, FTG 12) on port attack at 5,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 F4F-4 (XP 60, MRL 50, FTG 13) on escort (CAP 50%) at 10,000 ft
FOW OFF
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Port Moresby port from Lae:
Japanese aircraft:
G4M1 Betty x 89
Allied aircraft:
F4F-4 Wildcat x 37
Japanese aircraft losses:
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 20 damaged (2.3% + 22.5%)
Allied aircraft losses:
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 damaged (13.5%)
Aircraft Attacking: (pct. surviving CAP: 97.8%)
56 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
31 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
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Floggin' an ol' warhorse...
3A: B-17E vs KI-61 KAIc, vanilla version.
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 Ki-61 KAIc Tony (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 B-17E (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on port attack at 10,000 ft
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Lae port from Port Moresby:
Japanese aircraft:
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 67
Allied aircraft:
B-17E Fortress x 93
Japanese aircraft losses:
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 3 destroyed, 32 damaged (4.5% + 47.8%)
Allied aircraft losses:
B-17E Fortress: 25 destroyed, 32 damaged (26.9% + 34.4%)
Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Port hits 1
Aircraft Attacking: (pct. surviving CAP: 73.1%)
59 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
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3B: B-17E vs KI-61 KAIc, gun range set to 1 & accuracy cut by 50% (round up).
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 Ki-61 KAIc Tony (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 B-17E (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on port attack at 10,000 ft
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Lae port from Port Moresby:
Japanese aircraft:
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 67
Allied aircraft:
B-17E Fortress x 73
Japanese aircraft losses:
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 1 destroyed, 24 damaged (1.5% + 35.8%)
Allied aircraft losses:
B-17E Fortress: 6 destroyed, 27 damaged (8.2% + 37.0%)
Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Port hits 1
Aircraft Attacking: (Pct. surviving CAP: 91.8%)
36 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
31 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
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Escorted dive-bombers vs CAP
4A: Vanilla.
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 Zero (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 F4F-4 Wildcat (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on escort at 10,000 ft
No. 76 Squadeon RAAF (SLDR R.E.P.Brooker): 100 SBD Dauntless (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 14) on port attack at 10,000 ft
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Lae port from Port Moresby:
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 67
Allied aircraft:
F4F-4 Wildcat x 88
SBD Dauntless x 88
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 27 destroyed, 2 damaged (40.3% + 3.0%)
Allied aircraft losses:
F4F-4 Wildcat: 13 destroyed, 7 damaged (14.8% + 7.6%)
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed, 19 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
120 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1
Aircraft Attacking: (pct. surviving CAP: 94.3%)
65 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
18 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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4B: Same as 4A, only gun range set to 1.
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 Zero (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 F4F-4 Wildcat (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on escort at 10,000 ft
No. 76 Squadeon RAAF (SLDR R.E.P.Brooker): 100 SBD Dauntless (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 14) on port attack at 10,000 ft
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Day Air attack on Lae port from Port Moresby:
Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 67
Allied aircraft:
F4F-4 Wildcat x 95
SBD Dauntless x 88
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 15 destroyed, 4 damaged (22.4% + 6.0%)
Allied aircraft losses:
F4F-4 Wildcat: 18 destroyed, 8 damaged (20.5% + 9.1%)
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed, 21 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
157 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1
Aircraft Attacking: (pct. surviving CAP: 94.3%)
64 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
19 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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4C: Same as 4A, only gun accuracy cut by 50% (round up).
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 Zero (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 F4F-4 Wildcat (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on escort at 10,000 ft
No. 76 Squadeon RAAF (SLDR R.E.P.Brooker): 100 SBD Dauntless (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 14) on port attack at 10,000 ft
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 67
Allied aircraft:
F4F-4 Wildcat x 95
SBD Dauntless x 88
Japanese aircraft losses:
A6M2 Zero: 15 destroyed (22.4%)
Allied aircraft losses;
F4F-4 Wildcat: 10 destroyed, 4 damaged (10.5% + 4.2%)
SBD Dauntless: 19 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 3
Aircraft Attacking: (pct. surviving CAP: 100.0%)
67 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
21 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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4D: Same as 4A, only gun range set to 1 and accuracy cut by 50% (round up).
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F2/Tainan Daitai (LCDR T. Nakajima): 100 A6M2 Zero (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 12) on escort (CAP 90%) at 10,000 ft
No. 75 Squadron RAAF (SLDR L.D.Jackson): 100 F4F-4 Wildcat (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 13) on escort at 10,000 ft
No. 76 Squadeon RAAF (SLDR R.E.P.Brooker): 100 SBD Dauntless (XP 99, MRL 99, FTG 14) on port attack at 10,000 ft
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/01/42
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Japanese aircraft:
A6M2 Zero x 67
Allied aircraft:
F4F-4 Wildcat x 95
SBD Dauntless x 88
Japanese aircraft losses.
A6M2 Zero: 14 destroyed (14.7%)
Allied aircraft losses:
F4F-4 Wildcat: 12 destroyed, 4 damaged (12.6% + 4.2%)
SBD Dauntless: 5 destroyed, 16 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 2
Aircraft Attacking: (pct. surviving CAP: 94.3%)
64 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
19 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Comparative loss percentage, tests 4A-4D, fighters only:
4A:
A6M2: 43.3%
F4F-4: 22.4%
Ratio: 1.9:1.0
4B:
A6M2: 28.4%
F4F-4: 29.6%
Ratio: 1.0:1.0
4C:
A6M2: 22.4%
F4F-4: 14.7%
Ratio: 1.5:1.0
4D:
A6M2: 14.7%
F4F-4: 16.8%
Ratio: 1.0:1.1
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A few preliminary observations:
Individual tests not statistically valid by any means.
Tests 1A-1D suggests that downgrading gun range and accuracy lowers A2A losses.
Relative losses of all aircraft involved, if 1A = 100, then:
1A (vanilla, max XP, MRL): 100
1B: (vanilla, middling XP, MRL): 74
1C: (mod, max XP, MRL): 63
1D: (mod, middling XP, MRL): 27
As the ratio between tests 1A & 1B is 1.4:1.0, and the ratio between 1C & 1D is 2.4:1.0, it is suggested that lowering aircraft gun performance also puts a greater premium on pilot experience.
Relative losses of all fighters involved, if 4A = 100, then:
4A: (vanilla): 100
4B: (range 1): 79
4C: (accuracy 50%): 60
4D: (range 1, accuracy 50%): 62
Where's the Any key?
RE: Aircraft weapons range
Yes, I'm inclining to think that logical answer for too deadly Air-to-Air Combat is to reduce weapon accuracy instead of adding plane durability. And I think AA problems are better solved by adding more !realistic" number of AA weapons to AA units/base forces. And maybe taking the dreaded min firing altitude off from *some* weapons and adding good mix of weapons that can cover all low-middle altitudes.
"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-