It is easy for Japanese PBEM Player to get 4 to 1 AV 0n 1 Jan 43?

[patrickl]

Hi,

Playing against 2 Japanese PBEM players, I think it may not be difficult for Japanese PBEM player to get 4 to 1 AV on 1 Jan 43. By then he should have got SRA, Malaya, PI, Burma wrapped up. That should give him a 2 or 3 AV to 1. If he continues to harass PH or do well in China, he just might do it. What is your opinion?[&:]

[jwilkerson]

Well while the Japanese player is getting VP .. so is the Allied player ... but getting 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 at some point in 1942 is almost a given unless the Japanese player is losing horribly. Taking it up to 4 to 1 is a bit tougher. Especially if the Allied player avoids things like fighting KB on its terms. Even taking Chungking ( 13K VP or so if I remember correctly ) .. won't necessarily get you the 4 to 1 ... unless you can get some other lop sided victory some where. Look at GH's game against MC ... he is close .. but it will be no cigar unless ... he can decisely defeat the US Carriers or take more cities in China ... the Allies can prevent the carrier battle by not fighting on his terms ... China will be a bit more dicey.

But I wouldn't call it easy to get 4 to 1 ... the number of people who have claimed to have done it - in PBEM is pretty small as well.

Remember every time the Allies "trade" a VP with the Japanese ... like in an air battle .. if the Allies lose 50 B17s and the Japanese lose 50 Nates ... in VP terms ... it is an Allied victory because 50 points have been added to both the numerator and the demoninator ( top and the bottom of the fraction ) and to offfset that the Japanese need to kill 150 un answered aircraft ( or in some other fashion gain 150 VP ). So for the Allies, knowing when to run ... and knowing when to stand is a key point.

If you play an Allied player like Tom Hunter ... I doubt you'll come back and say it was easy - Tom's style is to go for the attrition battle against the Japanese and this makes those 4:1 VP Battles tough to find for the Japanese. But hey ... if you prove me wrong then you may have found the magic opening for the Japanese that guarantees victory ! In which case all us Japanese players will love you !!!

[Nomad]

A case in point is the game I took over against PzB. He has taken all of India and there are a number of large point bases there. When I took over in Jan 1943, he had 3.96 to 1. He almost made it. now it is 7/1/43 and the ratio is down to 3.2 to 1. I have not sunk any expensive ships, in fact I just lost a BB, or taken any high value bases. Like Joe said, just trading 1 for 1 in aircraft will bring the ratio down on its own. To get 4 to 1 is a hard thing to do. I believe you will need to take all of China and India to do it and at the same time not lose much. Remember, one 500 point ship lost means you have to sink 4 500 point ships to make up for it. getting 4 to 1 in ship sinking points is hard if you are not very careful and a bit lucky. When you corner the Brits around India, you will lose some ships, no question about it.

[trajanus]

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question. but what is AV and what does the 4 to 1 ratio have to do with it?

[Bodhi]

ORIGINAL: trajanus

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question. but what is AV and what does the 4 to 1 ratio have to do with it?

Auto Victory?

Ratio of Japanese to Allied victory points?

[trajanus]

Oh gotcha...I should have put that together...

[JJB647]

AV=Auto Victory. Japanese player can win with a 4:1 point ratio on 1-1-43 and 3-1 on 1-1-44. It's in the manual somewhere.

[patrickl]

Hi,

Thanks jwilkerson and nomad for your comforting advice. Now on with the war and give no quarter!

Hi trajanus - don't be afraid to ask anything [;)] there are no stupid questions here! We all learn together! [:'(] For your info the author of the post before this - JJB647 - he is one of my 2 formidable opponents![:D][;)]

Patrick

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

. Look at GH's game against MC ... he is close .. but it will be no cigar unless ... he can decisely defeat the US Carriers or take more cities in China ... the Allies can prevent the carrier battle by not fighting on his terms ... China will be a bit more dicey.

I've not even close to 3-1 at the moment...and the allies keep getting more points than me every single turn.
No, it's not easy to get to 4-1. You need to get a lot of ground( say the whole China ) and at the same time you need many capital allied ships without losing any of yours.
In my other match with MC i managed to get to 4-1 ratio by sept 42 using this method( i've surrendered however)...but now that MC knows e a bit and i cannot surprise him anymore, he's keeping his CVs well safe and only commit a fight when he's sure to win it....and under these conditions...no, you cannot really get to 4-1 if the allies do not make continuous and serious mistakes

[mc3744]

One additional evaluation.

VP-wise there's one base that's critical for the Japs (among those they can capture): Noumea.
Fully developed it amounts to 1300 VPs, it is therefore worth 5.200 to the Japanese in terms of 4-1 ratio, roughly as much as half of China.
In my game vs. Hoepner it makes 14% of my total score.
IMHO one of the killing factors for the Japs are the operational losses due to trainng and bombing.

Just my two cents.

[Speedysteve]

Hi all,

It's certainly possible but I think the key criteria is that the Japanese player needs to inflict heavy losses on the Allied player in terms of shipping and LCU's.

That has the added bonus of allowing the Japanese player to advance on more bases easier since there is less to oppose them. Snowball effect.

I'm hoping to get 4:1 in game vs swift at the moment. We're upto July 42 and the score is roughly:

Japanese: 22,000
Allied: 5000

Regards,

Steven

[patrickl]

Thanks General Hoepner, mc3744 and Speedy!![&o][:D]. Whoa! 3 veteran Admirals contributing their experience to this thread! [:D] Thanks once again!![&o][:D][;)][8D]

[Tom Hunter]

Mogami's avowed goal in the Lunacy games is 4 to 1 auto victory. Anything goes, so he is on a VP hunt and may invade Russia or pull any other trick he can think of to score points.

We just reached March 1942 and he has me at 2 to 1, but much like John Paul Jones I have not yet begun to fight. Though in my case it is because my units are not in place, or not yet in the game.

[patrickl]

Hi Tom

ORIGINAL: Tom Hunter

Mogami's avowed goal in the Lunacy games is 4 to 1 auto victory. Anything goes, so he is on a VP hunt and may invade Russia or pull any other trick he can think of to score points.

We just reached March 1942 and he has me at 2 to 1, but much like John Paul Jones I have not yet begun to fight. Though in my case it is because my units are not in place, or not yet in the game.

Well if Mogami is 2 to 1 at Mar 42, I don't think he is going to succeed against you. You must be putting up quite a bit of fight![;)]. I have not been reading your posts for a while because bet work and 2 new pbems (JJB647 and pompack).[:(] But I need to read AARs in order not to lose to AV! Good luck[;)]

[RUPD3658]

Simple solution: My opponant and agrred from the start to override any auto victory in 1943 and play until at least 01-01-1944.

This prevents the Jap player for going for broke in 1941-42 but at the same time does not allow the Allied player to run and hide until mid 44.

[Fornadan]

ORIGINAL: Nomad

A case in point is the game I took over against PzB. He has taken all of India and there are a number of large point bases there. When I took over in Jan 1943, he had 3.96 to 1. He almost made it. now it is 7/1/43 and the ratio is down to 3.2 to 1. I have not sunk any expensive ships, in fact I just lost a BB, or taken any high value bases. Like Joe said, just trading 1 for 1 in aircraft will bring the ratio down on its own. To get 4 to 1 is a hard thing to do. I believe you will need to take all of China and India to do it and at the same time not lose much. Remember, one 500 point ship lost means you have to sink 4 500 point ships to make up for it. getting 4 to 1 in ship sinking points is hard if you are not very careful and a bit lucky. When you corner the Brits around India, you will lose some ships, no question about it.

Update your AAR[:-]

[patrickl]

Thanks RUPD3658[&o]

ORIGINAL: RUPD3658

Simple solution: My opponant and agrred from the start to override any auto victory in 1943 and play until at least 01-01-1944.

This prevents the Jap player for going for broke in 1941-42 but at the same time does not allow the Allied player to run and hide until mid 44.

That should be the solution.[:D][;)] I may have to adopt this houserule in my future games.[;)]

[sven6345789]

well, i am about to loose a game as the allied player. It is march 1942 and he has invaded india on mass. the score is about 12000-3200 at the moment. If he gets india (no way for me to stop him) he will certainly have a 4:1 in points in 1943.
What happens to the allied reinforcements sceduled to arrive in Karachi if the japanese player captures it. Are they lost like forever?

[Speedysteve]

They are gone BUT if Karachi or Bombay is retaken they will all automatically appear in one of those cities I believe.

Regards,

Steven

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Speedy

They are gone BUT if Karachi or Bombay is retaken they will all automatically appear in one of those cities I believe.

That's the theory anyway. Some player(s) have reported even when they retook places where reinforcements were due to arrive, it never happened (Chungking).