New Toys for Super Dreadnoughts

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New Toys for Super Dreadnoughts

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I'd hold off playing this scenario for a bit. Not sure when the first patch is going to be, but since the crowd loves some of the more incredible designs of the '20s, here are some new playtoys.

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Japanese No. 13. Will have four ships, though not sure whether to make up names or call them No. 13-16.

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The BB1917 design.

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The BB1923 Design. Basically a South Dakota with 12 18inch guns (a highly doubtful design).

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The Tillman IV-2 design, with 15 18 inch guns.

Not sure how many (if any) ships will be included (beyond the No. 13s), because to free up names some predreads would need to be retired. If the 5 oldest were scrapped, then the names Wisconsin, Kentucky, Maine, Missouri, Ohio, and Illinois would be freed up.
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And for those who don't like these "paper" battleships, any actual ships of the class will only be in scenarios 6 and 8. If you want to play the 1926 campaign without them, in AI or PBEM, play scenario 2.
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Names for the Japanese No. 13s.....

how about Yamato, Musashi, and Shinano? :)
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I've seen Yashima, Ezo and Echizen thrown around as well.

Fantastic ships btw - in both senses of the word. You're building a Tillman?! The world is in trouble.. [8D]
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Tankerace, instead of pictures, I'm getting a legend :Photobucket.com-bandwidth exceeded. what do I need to do to correct this?
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Tanker will have to correct this himself. I'm guessing he's crammed to many pictures into his Photobucket account.
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Every time the image displays ffor one person, the browser downloads it from photobucket. There has been so many requests by browsers for the images that the photobucket server shut him down...probably until tomorrow.
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Yeah, Photobucket crapped out on me. I'll have to fix it myself, but it will take a day or two.
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Probably going overboard

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But here is a fun design with two units for the Super Dreadnought scenarios.

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Tankerace, seems like you're too popular[;)] (or just needs to convince Matrix to host your pics)
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Is that one of those early proto-Lexingtons? The one with 10 funnels and the boilers mounted ABOVE the belt? [X(]

I predict major ouchies.
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Will you need new commanders for these new ships? [:D]

If so sign me up!
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This is silly TA!!

Why can't Matrix host this stuff--- THIS IS A MAJOR RELEASE............

There is no other XP comp game in this area...............

A few weeks before Xmas.. New game release.......

AND MOST IMPORTANT ON THIS SITE --- A LOT OF POST's


.................And on other sites good posts as well- but that is prob us lot!!
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Any chance of getting the Rodney and Nelson into the game?

They were both completed in 1927
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I think the G3s should be included in the main scenarios, if the Lexingtons are. The G3s had begun construction by the time of the Washington Treaty and were only cancelled due to it (like the Lexingtons). Guns, turrets, and armour had already been ordered (and work had started on the ships themselves). Without the WT I'm sure they would have been completed.

I doubt Nelson and Rodney would have been built in WPO's world. They were products of the Washington Treaty itself (which does not happen in it).
The other powers conceded Britain's right to match the 16" guns in service in Japan and the USA, so two 35,000 ton battleships could be built. These vessels, the Nelson and Rodney, used the modified turrets and guns ordered for the first two G3s.

Oh, and I was wrong about CC1916 earlier.. I was thinking of the 1917 design.
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I left the G3s out because given the British economy, I doubt they could have completed them (however, for balance, they get the Additional Uncompleted Hoods). The US could have, if it wanted, completed the Lexingtons and SoDaks.

You are right on Nelson and Rodney. I left out all ships and designs created because of the treaty. This eliminates the Nelsons, all treaty cruisers, and the carrier conversions.
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Ok, I have added one G3 into scenario 2 (the "dry" 1926 campaign). The other G3's come into play in the SUperdreadnoughts scenario.
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[:D] Awesome!

*is a big fan of British battlecruisers.. which is kind of like being a fan of nitroglycerine, I suppose*

But in all seriousness, thanks. She'll be fun to play with [8D] (I added a few of these ships to my WitP scenario, and I inadverdently became obsessesed with them..)
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You are right on Nelson and Rodney. I left out all ships and designs created because of the treaty. This eliminates the Nelsons, all treaty cruisers, and the carrier conversions.

I was curious. The British and US Navy both realised the need (in the twenties) for a large cruiser force. (Battleships can't be everywhere.)

Reasons given:
1) Scouting force for fleet.
2) Trade protection. (versus surface raiders.)
3) Trade interdiction.
4) Force projection in narrow/restricted seas, where BB's where too vulnerable to TB's and mines to risk.
5) Force projection in periphery theatres.

The British estimated that they needed 75+ cruisers to meet their wartime needs.

Now, I say all this because the perceived need for cruisers would not have changed. (The Washington treaty of 1922 merely restricted non-battleship tonnage to 10,000 tons and under, with a max gun calibre size of 8 inches. The London Naval Treaty of 1930 dealt more specifically with cruisers.)

So my question is: Since one of the main premise of the game is that the Washington Naval treaty never got ratified, and since you included the ships that were ordered, but cancelled, does this include new (cancelled IRL) cruiser construction post WW1?

My apologies if this has been covered in a previous thread.

I would expect that cruiser tonnage may well have creeped up, much like battleship tonnage did the previous decades, to enable those ships to have greater speed and endurance.

For example: The US Baltimore class, the first heavy cruiser designed that was not restriceted by treaty tonnage: Displacement: 14,472. Speed; 33 Knots. range: 10,000 nautical miles at 15 knots. Crew 1800 to 2039. Armament: Nine 8-inch guns in triple turrets. twelve 5-inch guns. Forty eight 40mm AA Guns. 4 Aircraft.
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