Tiger NbW's

Fredde · Post by **Fredde** » Wed Feb 06, 2002 9:08 pm

Just thought this would be a quite interesting issue to talk about including our all-time-favourite tank. I never was sure about the short-range "NbW-weapon" on the Tiger and other Gerry tanks so I looked around a little on the net and here's a page I found..

http://www.custermen.net/nahvert/nah.htm

How commonly used was this during the war? Reading this page makes it seem quite tedious to use (not that I believe everything that is written on the internet) <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> Achtung Panzer doesn't mention anything about other ammunition types carried than MG rounds and 88 mm for example.

Fredde · Post by **Fredde** » Thu Feb 07, 2002 3:03 pm

None of the Gurus here who can enlighten me on this subject?

Panzer Leo · Post by **Panzer Leo** » Thu Feb 07, 2002 5:49 pm

Well, I'm certainly not a tank Guru, but I can't think of many situations this weapon is really useful at.
It is hard to aim (you just point it somewhere in the direction of suspected infantry) and the grenade is not very impressive in size.
When would you use it ?
I think only, when you're some kind of stuck with your tank and some infantry tries to assault you with primitive AT-weapons or methods (like firing into vision slits or whatever).
But how effective could this be ???
And is it a good idea to shoot some folks a few shrapnel in the butt when you get pulled out of your tank a few minutes later anyway ???
I think I would rather open the hatch, say hello and ask what meal is served in prison camp this evening...but in case you're a guy with some SS-uniform and your tank lost tracks on the Eastern Front, the NvW 92 could be your last chance to get a few kills before you end up in the long list of dead fanatics...

I really doubt it was a very useful weapon...there might be a few situations you would love to have it, but they seem to be very rare...

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Thu Feb 07, 2002 9:58 pm

I've heard very little about this weapon (?), but I *think* they were mostly used in conjuction with the Kampfpistole as a signal flare/smoke launcher. Haven't heard anything about the efficiency of the grenades.

What I have noticed though, is that even late model Panzer IVs sports one! So the OKH must've found some use for it?

Fredde · Post by **Fredde** » Fri Feb 08, 2002 4:23 pm

Yes, that's what I'm thinking of. Was it in use extensively enough to justify a modeling of this special weapon in the game? I haven't seen much of it at all in books I've read.

K G von Martinez · Post by **K G von Martinez** » Fri Feb 08, 2002 5:31 pm

As long as you don't have a minimum range for the other weapons of the tank (with other words you can not fire if the enemy is close to you) the NbW should not be included as a separate weapon.By the way, the tiger has no weapon slot empty so adding the NbW is possible only if you want to put two mg in one slot.

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Fredde · Post by **Fredde** » Fri Feb 08, 2002 5:34 pm

Actually it is there already for several German armoured vehicles, including late-war Tigers if I don't remember all wrong.

m10bob · Post by **m10bob** » Sat Feb 09, 2002 9:19 pm

As i understand it,this was purely a defensive weapon and was similar in intention to the modern day "Claymore"..Very indiscriminate in it's use and might hit any near-by "friendly's"..It was meant to keep enemy infantry off the tank because the infantry was considered a greater threat than enemy tanks..(I always listened to my dad's stories and this was his theatre of operations:ETO)..

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Sun Feb 10, 2002 5:09 pm

Originally posted by m10bob:
As i understand it,this was purely a defensive weapon and was similar in intention to the modern day "Claymore"..Very indiscriminate in it's use and might hit any near-by "friendly's"..It was meant to keep enemy infantry off the tank because the infantry was considered a greater threat than enemy tanks..(I always listened to my dad's stories and this was his theatre of operations:ETO)..

That's true. And hey, at least I'm having more trouble with AT infantry than enemy tanks. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

On the topic of the danger of infantryI think the concept of "scratching fire" was even included in the Panzer crews field manual? Anyone else seen/heard/read this?

(disclaimer: I'm taking this from a memory pocket deep inside my thick skull, so it may not be accurate at all <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> )