OOB - 25 Range for Offboard Artillery ????

[RichardTheFirst]

Can somebody explain me (like I'm a 4 years old) why do I need offboard artillery with only 25 hexes range? To smoke my onboard artillery? To bombard infiltraters?

I'm talking about the Japanese 75mm Mtn Bty. Bought that in a PBEM (without looking at the range) because it was the only 75mmm available.

Now I'm stuck with it.... <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> <img src="mad.gif" border="0">

[Resisti]

There was a thread few days ago EXACTLY on this matter.
If you find it, i'm sure you'll find the reply to yr question, too.
I dont remember it.. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

[RichardTheFirst]

Went as far as page 3 before I give up. Not easy when you don't know the name of the thread, don't have the search engine and my connection being slow today.

Thanks anyway Federico.

[Larry Holt]

Remember the 75mm was not made to fire off board, it was made by the real Japanese to kill with. The game has to fit this real world weapon, with a real short range, into its game engine. Sometimes its just not a good fit.

[RichardTheFirst]

In that case it should be onboard. The Mtn stands for what? Mountain?

[brianleeprice]

Originally posted by RichardTheFirst:
In that case it should be onboard. The Mtn stands for what? Mountain?

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I'll have to investigate this further when the Japanese v7.1 OOB reaches the 'final release candidate stage'. Probably going to be a tough nut to address unfortunately - we *cannot* remove a unit from the OOB due to backwards compatibility issues. I'm not sure if we even dare change its classification too much. These two factors make this a difficult problem to solve.

At first glance I think maybe the best solution we can do is to modify the name to indicate that it has a short range. Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Brian

[Redleg]

The last time I looked there were more than just the mtn 75 to watch for. Especially on very large maps. There were several pieces that had perhaps a range of 100(+-). On a 240 hex map, guess what?

I don't see the problem so long as players check what they are purchasing. It is a rude awakening the first time around, however! Sort of like purchasing a unit that does not have transport, etc.

[Resisti]

Richard, you went just one short.
It was on the 4th page <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

http://www.matrixgames.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=008269

[Drex]

I no longer buy 75mm for offboard period. Wwhen I do buy it for onboard, I make sure I have transport for it.

[Svennemir]

In order to accidently buy the 75mm guns, one has to be ABLE to buy them. I see several workarounds:

1. Change availability to dec1949-49. Easy and painless, since the units still be in the scenarios they should.

Make the unit Formation in which the 75's appear, unavailable. I don't have so much experience with editing OOB's myself, so I'm nto sure et would be possible to do this without making other arty units unavailable - but otherwise it'll be easy and painless, too.

These were my several two suggestions.

[RichardTheFirst]

Paul said it will be eliminated in 7.1. I'm happy <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> .