ELDER SCROLLS IV: OBLIVION "GOLD"

[ravinhood]

Here's the forum posting:

http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/inde ... pic=249750

Don't know if many of you are rpg fans, but, this one does take the cake for graphics eye candy. But, if the ease of skill increase is still in the game like Morrowind it might not be as good as it looks. People would run in place or beat up on some low level fishes over and over and over again and end up with massive skill increases in atheletics and weapons and armor skills before they reached level 2 sometimes. lol Hope they fixed that this time around.

[Jevhaddah]

Sigh.. I still have to complete Morrowind.....

I know I will wait till it comes out on budget, I should be ready then

Cheers
Garion
Tightfisted Scot

[Zakhal]

Just reinstalled morrowind GTY edition with all the plugins. Gotta play that first before switching to oblivion.

[bradfordkay]

Yeah, a buddy o fmine said that I was doing it wrong when I just explored the world and took my level ups as they came. He would concentrate on using weapons that did not require a primary skill and perform other actions that increased his abilities and maximized his level ups when they finally did occur... He's a power gamer and I play RPGs to experience a new fantasy world...

I'm planning on building a new computer this spring so that I can enjoy Oblivion - I've owned and played every one of the Elder Scrolls series (though I never finished Daggerfall - kept getting lost in the bigger dungeons!~).

[DamoclesX]

good god.
not another one

Galactic civ 2 already rocks, now this?


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[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

HBut, if the ease of skill increase is still in the game like Morrowind it might not be as good as it looks. People would run in place or beat up on some low level fishes over and over and over again and end up with massive skill increases in atheletics and weapons and armor skills before they reached level 2 sometimes. lol Hope they fixed that this time around.

Hehe.. yeah, I remember that. My 'favourite' was the unarmed combat, and you could build that up to a high level very quickly just playing the game "straight" - only to find that even at a high level the skill was utterly useless.

Dunno about Oblivion. It looks wonderful, but I got bored of Morrowind fairly quickly and graphics or no Oblivion would need some pretty spectacular gameplay changes to keep me interested.

[Maliki]

ORIGINAL: Hertston

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

HBut, if the ease of skill increase is still in the game like Morrowind it might not be as good as it looks. People would run in place or beat up on some low level fishes over and over and over again and end up with massive skill increases in atheletics and weapons and armor skills before they reached level 2 sometimes. lol Hope they fixed that this time around.

Hehe.. yeah, I remember that. My 'favourite' was the unarmed combat, and you could build that up to a high level very quickly just playing the game "straight" - only to find that even at a high level the skill was utterly useless.

Dunno about Oblivion. It looks wonderful, but I got bored of Morrowind fairly quickly and graphics or no Oblivion would need some pretty spectacular gameplay changes to keep me interested.

I liked unarmed.It added a bit of unintentional humor to the game.Once you trained up enough in it go up to a creature that is immune to normal weapons,drop your weapons and put up your dukes..ain't nothing like laying the smackdown on a Dremora Lord with your bare hands.

Well at least i found it funny that normal weapons couldn't hurt some creatures,but that you could pimp slap them into submission with your bare hands.[:D]

[Zakhal]

The morrowind mods are really that good. Takes a lots of time to setup (know-how), but once you do (know how to do it mostly) the game gets an awesome leap forward. I use around 30 mods and they beef up everything from sounds, graphics, gameplay, etc. Graphics are much better. And best of all Ive yet to see a single bug. Everything works perfect. Pretty amazing thinking its 30 mods (many global scale) from separate modders put into same game and they all just work together without any problems.

I never played the original elder scrolls: arena because it got bad reviews. Average reviews mostly. Ultima Underworld that was released few years earlier was much better so there was no need to buy worse games. UW2 was on release at the sametime methinks and it was way better than arena. Not to forget betrayal at krondor or ultima 7 and companions. Average game like arena had no chance back in those days.

Daggerfall I did got because I was lacking quality rpgs during its release year and Daggerfall did look amazing at first. After a year or two playing I did go pretty far in it (plot wise and had 75% red armor), but never totally finished it. In the end I thought the daggerfall dungeons as my own private miserable claustrophobic hell holes. Wandering around for hours never finding anything, going circles, 30min walk from exit, etc. Somtimes life is just too short.

[sol_invictus]

Daggerfall was my first TES game and I really liked it, except for the large number of bugs and the endless repetetive dungeons. I played it for a couple of months until a new baby came home from the hospital; I then had very little time or patience for the still buggy game at ver. 1.4, I think it was. Eagerly bought Morrowind and as soon as I entered character creation, I knew something was just not right. After three attempts of playing; third time fairly deep into the main quest; my initial impression remains, something is just not right. I swore I wouldn't pre-order Oblivion because of Bethesda's spotty record, but I had a gift card I got for Christmas and went ahead and pre-ordered. I have a good feeling about Oblivion. Besides, it's not like there are a slew of stand alone rpgs being published these days. Early 90's, that was a great time for rpgs.

[Zakhal]

Morrowind isnt the best RPG of the recent years. Among the best (imho) are:

1.Knights of the old Republic 1
2.Knights of the old Republic 2
3.Gothic 1
4.Gothic 2
5.Arx Fatalis (unofficial Ultima Underworld 3)

KotoR 1&2 especially were totally amazing from the start to the end. I have finished all of those games except arx fatalis (~75% finished) due to shortage of freetime.

[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: Zakhal

Morrowind isnt the best RPG of the recent years. Among the best (imho) are:

1.Knights of the old Republic 1
2.Knights of the old Republic 2
3.Gothic 1
4.Gothic 2
5.Arx Fatalis (unofficial Ultima Underworld 3)

KotoR 1&2 especially were totally amazing from the start to the end. I have finished all of those games except arx fatalis (~75% finished) due to shortage of freetime.

Its always a matter of opinion. I'd rate Morrowind far ahead of KotOR (the only one of those that I've played), for example. KotOR was a fun game, but barely qualifies as an RPG at all IMHO, it was so linear. Not to mention that you could finish it over a weekend with no real desire to play it again. Morrowind just had much more replay value, and far more genuine opportunities to develop different characters and play in different ways.

[ravinhood]

Once you've been introduced to open ended, it's very hard to go back to linear rpgs. Daggerfall was my first foray into real open ended rpging and I just got lost in it. I loved the long winding twisting where the hell is the exit dungeons myself. Those were REAL labyriths to me.

Diablo 2 has many open ended features about it while still being linear. I musta done those tombs in chapter 2 a 100 times before moving on in the story. They to me were the most fun part of the whole game.

Dungeon Siege was so linear I almost didn't finish it, but, I'm glad I did, it had one of the most exciting never seen before endings I've ever seen and played. If you ever play Guild Wars you'll get to experience this type of ending over again. I was a bit disdained with them copying Dungeon Siege ending and felt robbed of the whole experience.

The thing for me is Daggerfall did something Bethsoft hasn't done since and that was the random missions/quests, I hate scripted quests/missions that don't change from character to character. And I'm afraid Oblivion isn't going to use it again. It will be just Morrowind with better graphics sadly. And only good for one time thru.

NWN's is too square and blocky. I know it's nice to have all the goodies of dnd, but, the smallness of every zone just made that game feel like it too was missing something. It did break from being perfectly linear by giving you choices in most of the chapters. But, the paths of those choices were still pretty linear.

I played the first Baldur's Gate and have the other two in shrink wrap still. Once again I found the game just too square and too blocky, while I did enjoy the AI interactions with one another and myself. One of the first where it actually seemed like your traveling buddies were alive though canned. The story was good and I like the twist at the end. I love a good story and one that will shock you at the end. Both Baldur's Gate and the origional Dungeon Siege have that quality.

My two favorite rpgs of all time though would be Daggerfall (for it's random never ending play value really) and Ultima IV (yes, this was the king of all rpgs to me).

[Zakhal]

There are mostly two things I dont value Morrowind. Its nice to come to a new town and then discover that (1) every single character in the town has the same generic conversation options (2) there is not a single quest in the town. When this applies to too many towns its bad. There are way too many towns I literally dont find anything to do. Cant even go to an inn after long walk because the people there dont have anything to say except the same boring generic messages.

I would have understood it in daggerfall, but when morrowind was downsized to only a dozen or so towns I expect the towns to have more in difference than the 3D-graphics. Once youve seen the nicely done walls which takes around five minutes, one can exit the town and never return because "he has seen it all".

[SemperAugustus]

There are mostly two things I dont value Morrowind. Its nice to come to a new town and then discover that (1) every single character in the town has the same generic conversation options (2) there is not a single quest in the town. When this applies to too many towns its bad. There are way too many towns I literally dont find anything to do. Cant even go to an inn after long walk because the people there dont have anything to say except the same boring generic messages.

I would have understood it in daggerfall, but when morrowind was downsized to only a dozen or so towns I expect the towns to have more in difference than the 3D-graphics. Once youve seen the nicely done walls which takes around five minutes, one can exit the town and never return because "he has seen it all

(1) is supposedly fixed in the new Morrowind

[Zakhal]

I think that the idea that the devs had in morrowind was that when the devs build these empty towns, players themselves then fill them with quests and interesting characters that actually have somthing to say by using the morrowind editor.

Where it went wrong was that there was no organisation in the mod-community. Everyone did their own mods that changed this or that town and it was then up the each single player to filter the different mods together so that they dont brake the game. Most players though have real life jobs and when they come home they dont want to spend 6 hours on mod-testing. They want to play the game, not test mods (unless modding is a hobby for them).

I spent about 24 hours on the mod testing before I got it all to work and if I multiply it with a hourly wage I could buy four new roleplaying games with that money.

Absolutely the best option could have been to make a commercial release of a big mod-package that fuses together a huge amount of mods that fill all the towns. Players could have then bought the package and then just run the install program and presto.

Its a mystery really why they didnt do it. In comparison NWN has released many commercial mod packs done by the players. The only thing I can guess is that Bethesda Softworks was not interested for som weird reason.

[Maliki]

Well i pre-ordered mine for the 360.

So the one thing that is gonna bite is no user made mods.Though there seems to be some talk of official mods from Bethesda,maybe,being available.

Though i doubt that they will have the time or inclination to make any really big one's or add ons..such as the Moth Mouth Fort mod.Probably spend their time working on expansions....and FallOut[&o]

[ravinhood]

I'm still waiting on WASTELAND II.

Oh and Zakhal, there were different quests AND JOBS in every city of Daggerfall. You never had to worry about finding a job or quest to do. That was the fun about it. Always someone to rescue, or protect/guard, escourt to another town. There was just always something going on in every town. Of course most of the outside citizens were just directional npc's, but, at least when you wanted to find something in town it wasn't hard to do it. And the music of Daggerfall inside towns and then outside when it was snowing or dark or inside dungeons. Just ain't been nothing like it since. Gawd I would give my testicles for a remaked of DAGGERFALL with Morrowind/Oblivion Graphics. It doesn't play exceptionally well on XP, but, it still works, but, ummm I tink the processing speed is a wittle bit too much for the combat engine of Daggerfall now.

[ilovestrategy]

I love Daggerfall, I played that for months and months. One time I walked all they way from one town to another, took literally all day. Ran into a vampire, wild bear, a full dungeon out in the middle of no where on the way to my destination. outstanding game.
I beat morrowind too and both expansions. Loved it! [:)] I never ran out of things to do in Morrowind.
I dont know about the 360 version but the PC version of Oblivion is designed to be very mod friendly, even more so than Morrowind.

[wodin]

Had Morrow Wind and Eldar Scrolls for ages (came free with a video card).

Just installed it. One thing I hate is the look of the creatures. Just to damn odd and the elves are an insult to elves.

Its so offputting for me I cant get into it at all.

I loved Baldur Gate 1 and Baldur Gate 2 is my favourite RPG game. I also had alot of fun with Icewind Dale but it became a little repetitive.

I may continue with Morrowwind not to sure.

Gothic is a game that looks interesting.

[Bill Durrant]

Seeing as my wife has stopped talking to me I just bought Morrowind so I could speak to someone else in the house[:D]

Any advice on what Mods to add, where do I get them, how are they installed etc etc.