INDOOR Game wish

[Yo Dwg]

I would like to know by any chance could you make the field goal posts have nets like in the real indoor game? Suggestion/Wish.

Yo Dwg

[Breeze]

No chance. The AFL has a patent on those nets.

[walkerws]

Would it be possible to put a wall then, and set rules so if it fell back in the the field, the ball would be in play? I know with the patent it might be difficult to have any kind of a rebound play.

[Magnum357]

Hmmm... a wall... might... be a possibility, but I think it would look rather strange in the game personally. I don't know what it is with Arena Fans that love the Rebound Net system. Personally, I like Indoor Football much more then arena Football, partly because I think the Rebound System is totally useless.

[firebirds]

If I remember correctly, on the previous MB David addressed the question about a wall and/or any other type of rebound system. I think the answer was no because regardless of what was used, the end result was a bit too close to the patented nets.

I haven't watched any other indoor football other than Arena. My daughter and I were season ticket holders for 2 1/2 years when we had a team here. I really like the net and the excitement it adds to the game.

Just an idea for David here. Can't have the nets and/or any type of rebound system has been ruled out to be on the safe side of the lawyers. I don't know how the computer handles the steps in a fieldgoal attempt in the game, but from my experience it starts with a good snap and hold (haven't read a report of a bad snap or hold) then there is the kick. It might be blocked (read of the happening) or not, then the ball is on the way. The kick is either good or bad, but there are those very rare times when the missed kick is returned and I'm talking NFL rules here.

Being computer dumb, I'm guessing the computer figures the odds of each step of the process to determine the outcome. What if the odds show that the kick will be missed (again assuming the computer knows the end result prior to the attempt), and that being the case the computer makes the kick come up short so the return man can field it?? You would get the same net result (no pun intended) as having a rebound system in place, that being a live returnable ball on a missed fieldgoal. Again I have no clue how hard that would be to program and it is an AFL specific situation, just a thought.

[Magnum357]

As much as that could be a good "solution" to add some sort of Rebound system to MaxFB (albeit, not exactly like Arenas Rebound Net system), I vote against it just because that would take away for Fans of the Indoor Game. In Indoor Football, Feildgoal Returns are possible, but they usually only occur with very long Place kick attempts. Most short yardarge Feildgoal Attempts don't have a return because if the Kicker misses the uprights, the ball goes out of bounds and the other team gets the ball at there own 5 yard line.

My philosophy on this is that Kickers have enough to worry about just making a Feildgoal in an upright roughly half the Width of an NFL Goal Post. Arena Football's Rebound System just seems silly to me because it really only accomplishes a return on Place Kicks. Indoor Football can do that aswell and not give the Kicker so much of a hard time with Short Yardarge Feildgoal attempts. Heck, I think even the AFL realized this aswell with its PAT's. If people don't remember, the AFL use to have it where PAT's that miss the uprights could be returned and the Defense could get 2 points if they ran it back. It happened way too many times in an AFL game and the league made a new rule a couple of years ago that all PAT Kicks that miss result in a "dead ball" like the NFL.

Like I said above, those Rebound nets in the Arens system are useless, and Indoor Football style of play proves you can still play without them.

[Yo Dwg]

or if no nets then what about have the field playable, where if you miss it and even if it does hit the game its still in play. I'm sure itll be no but worth a shot lol

[Magnum357]

??????

I'm not sure I follow.

[Yo Dwg]

like if the kicker kicks a field goal short the ball is still in play.

[Magnum357]

Thats already in the game. If you choose "Live Feildgoals" in the rules section, all Place kicks are live and must be returned. Maybe I don't understand your idea.

[Yo Dwg]

o im just a little new to Maximum football so If I say something stupid or already in the game feel free to call me what ever you want lol. I havent been able to afford the game yet but I saved up 25 bucks so Ill be in the loop soon!

[Magnum357]

No problem. If you do buy the game, I think you will be satisified by the amount of features it has. Ya, its not Madden in graphics and has some bugs, but its still not a bad game with all the things you can do with it.

[firebirds]

Magnum, to each their own. I respect your opinion. I agree that making PAT's a dead ball was a good decision. My question/suggestion might be a solution to the lack of a rebound system for Arena style, maybe it could be added as an option to the indoor game. That way those that prefer it could use it and those who don't won't.

[Magnum357]

I can understand what you mean firebirds. There are probably more Arena Fans on this board then Indoor Football Fans (I consider myself the later) and although you can get MaxFB to mimick many Rules in Arena and Indoor leagues, the lack of Rebound nets is probably the only rules now that can't really be duplicated.

Ya, I think its entirely possible David could add some sort of system or option to have a Rebound system, but I think David just doesn't want to take the risk of legal lawsuits from the AFL. From my experience, the powers that be are very picky when it comes to there Patent on the Rebound system (and I guess why have it if you don't enforce it) and have tried to sue a couple other Real Indoor Leagues in the past (the late IPFL and IFL for example). Hey, blame the Arena System not David. [:D]

[firebirds]

I agree, I'll blame David Baker (AFL commishiner) not David Winter [;)]

[MB Sports Net]

Just as a note, because I apparently like to spend my team researching this stuff... the patent expires this year on the rebound nets.
 
Would hope to see it, but not counting on it, seems like it'd be difficult to implement. Shrug... will just have to port and hack the PS2 version for that LOL.
 

[Marauders]

Is the rebound net patent in an extention, or is it in the original patent?
 
The application date was September 30, 1987.
 
Here is the original patent:
 
AFL Football Patent
 
 

[MB Sports Net]

Hey Marauders,

Been researching a little bit and the original patent expires this year. I also checked to see if I could find any status of an extension application or processing and neither appears to be the case. While I understand the AFL not wanting competition in the formative stages of the league I think eventually it would be in the best interests to have as many people as possible playing/watching their form of football.

Of course lawyers and marketers<that's me> and advertisers and all of that will get involved and it will all end in tears and whiney people<also me> will beg others to put their buts on the line for no apparent reason other then it's what I want.

That date is 9/30/07 that it expires at this time. I'd expect some nonsense to go down though!

[:)]

[Tbird]

Can they renew the patent if they wanted to

If they can then I wouldn't do it.

[MB Sports Net]

Yeah obviously if they end up renewing it, creating the ability to simulate it would be sketchy at best, IE stupid. No one wants any international incidents with David heading to jail. Of course it's also covered in Canadian patent law too. I have to admit that this is something that I know very little about. I expect we'll know whether it was renewed or not on 9/1/07...even at that point they have a 6 month grace period. Gotta love US Gov. regulations. They're faaaaaaaaantastic.
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