Why i don't like Named pilot pool...

[pauk]

I'm still battleing with understanding of Named pilot pool so i could be wrong with my assumptions. If some of my thoughts are wrong, please do not shoot me. This isn't bitching thread.

1. I do see that some of players are so excited with the fact they can allocate crack pilots from float planes (Home island defence) to the fighter daitais.

- assuming that those pilots were really crack, "the cream of the IJ float plane air force" ([:D] - i understand that fighter pilots can be crack ones based on their flying abilities, reactions, etc....but what would rate float plane pilots as crack ones? landing on calm sea?).

- If HID float planes daitai are rated as pilot with normal exp (60-70) then this feature won't be Japfanboy wet dream.

2. Crack float plane pilots are allocated to fighters but they remain crack ones. No need to explain that...

3. New abilities for total unrealistic training - ground attack training model suffers from ops losses at least.

- set your transports to fly supply missions and whooohohohoa - you get experienced fighter pilot

- even better, set your bombers on supply mission - and ... you already know that....

4. More complicated air model than we have it...

- it is quite difficult to handle with "normal" air model and managing replacements (ac/pilots...) and it requires a lot of concentration. I can imagine how newbies in this games would feel when they try managing with named pilot pool,


I do understand why this feature is added, but it seems to me that feature would cause more headache than joy (i might be wrong, that i why i post it). I do appretiate Jon and Don works[&o] but i want to see if i got it right and get feedback of the community...

regards

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: pauk

I'm still battleing with understanding of Named pilot pool so i could be wrong with my assumptions. If some of my thoughts are wrong, please do not shoot me. This isn't bitching thread.

1. I do see that some of players are so excited with the fact they can allocate crack pilots from float planes (Home island defence) to the fighter daitais.

- assuming that those pilots were really crack, "the cream of the IJ float plane air force" ([:D] - i understand that fighter pilots can be crack ones based on their flying abilities, reactions, etc....but what would rate float plane pilots as crack ones? landing on calm sea?).

- If HID float planes daitai are rated as pilot with normal exp (60-70) then this feature won't be Japfanboy wet dream.

2. Crack float plane pilots are allocated to fighters but they remain crack ones. No need to explain that...

3. New abilities for total unrealistic training - ground attack training model suffers from ops losses at least.

- set your transports to fly supply missions and whooohohohoa - you get experienced fighter pilot

- even better, set your bombers on supply mission - and ... you already know that....

4. More complicated air model than we have it...

- it is quite difficult to handle with "normal" air model and managing replacements (ac/pilots...) and it requires a lot of concentration. I can imagine how newbies in this games would feel when they try managing with named pilot pool,


I do understand why this feature is added, but it seems to me that feature would cause more headache than joy (i might be wrong, that i why i post it). I do appretiate Jon and Don works[&o] but i want to see if i got it right and get feedback of the community...

regards

Can the allies now disband Dutch and British pilots and use them in P-40's?

[wild_Willie2]

Can the allies now disband Dutch and British pilots and use them in P-40's?

no, still class bound (see picture).

Navy has named pilots while the army has none

[pauk]

From what i understand it is based on pilot nationality....

So if Brits and Dutch have P-40E then answer is yes.

(that is my understanging, i may be wrong).

[wild_Willie2]

From what i understand it is based on pilot nationality....

So if Brits and Dutch have P-40E then answer is yes.

(that is my understanging, i may be wrong).

The Dutch don't have any decent fighter at the beginning, so for them it will not really matter.
The brits have decent pilots and a decent replacement pool, just not much training oppertunities [;)]

[pauk]

ORIGINAL: wild_Willie2

From what i understand it is based on pilot nationality....

So if Brits and Dutch have P-40E then answer is yes.

(that is my understanging, i may be wrong).

The Dutch don't have any decent fighter at the beginning, so for them it will not really matter.
The brits have decent pilots and a decent replacement pool, just not much training oppertunities [;)]

ž

you should be aware that Brits will get better ac latter in the game and opportunities for training.....

[wild_Willie2]

you should be aware that Brits will get better ac latter in the game and opportunities for training.....

So everybody has better pilots, and ever BIGGER air losses can be achieved [&o][&o][&o]

[pauk]

ORIGINAL: wild_Willie2

you should be aware that Brits will get better ac latter in the game and opportunities for training.....

So everybody has better pilots, and ever BIGGER air losses can be achieved [&o][&o][&o]

ah, my appologies, i should know that you are "A2A combat is too lymphatically" fanboy
[;)][:D]

[Mr.Frag]

So everybody has better pilots, and ever BIGGER air losses can be achieved

That's the goal ... cause players to burn through all their aircraft and pilots at a faster rate so then they are forced to play realistically once the levels have dropped down to a fraction of what they started with.

Couldn't figure out a way of preventing mass aircraft silliness, next best option was to allow the player to destroy all their aircraft faster [:D]

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

So everybody has better pilots, and ever BIGGER air losses can be achieved

That's the goal ... cause players to burn through all their aircraft and pilots at a faster rate so then they are forced to play realistically once the levels have dropped down to a fraction of what they started with.

Couldn't figure out a way of preventing mass aircraft silliness, next best option was to allow the player to destroy all their aircraft faster [:D]

MAD theory!

[wild_Willie2]

MAD theory!

I produce 400 tojo's a month, how many p40's do YOU produce [:D][:D]

[treespider]

quote:

Can the allies now disband Dutch and British pilots and use them in P-40's?

no, still class bound (see picture).

Navy has named pilots while the army has none

My silliness - its early in the morning and I'm still smarting over my missed opportuinty with ADavidB. Hmmmm- perhaps that was my error - Issuing orders early in the morning before rushing out the door for work!!!!

[Feinder]

Frag I think the name pilot pool is potentially an excellent addition for both sides. I'm just a little concerned that this will have a major impact on games in progress. The problem is, we don't know what that impact will be. While I'm all for more frequent, smaller patches, I think something like this "feature" is best beta tested for a while (but not holding up the rest of the patch), because we don't know the effects, esp the long-term ones.

You're probably right, more air-to-air losses. So what does that mean? My first thought is it helps Allies, air losses esp at 1:1 are exactly what Allies need in the war early on to stay in it. Does it keep Japan alive late in the war? Maybe, again, we're just conjecturing. What about the Japanese player who has a real shot at auto-victory in 1943. Suddenly, the rate of air points changes (one way or the other, who know which way?), and game takes on a whole new face. A strategy that Japan has carefully executed since the first turn, is suddenly turned upside down in a month because air losses skyrocket.

I guess a good example is PDUs. Everyone loved them at first. But after a few months of actual play, the trade-offs became appearent. Nobody knew what do expect at first. But after play testing, folks generally have a good idea of what they're getting into when chose to play with PDUs.

Again, let me make it clear that I think transfering pilots into the named pool can be a very good thing for the game. But I just wish that something with such potential, that we don't even know what the potential is, had been play test over the long run before implementation.

For me, I have always said, "I'll just apply all patches, and the game gets reshaped however." Now I've given my opponents the choice to go with 801 or not to (I'd just do a separate instlall if necessary). But again, I just think long term testing on something so potentially game-changing is order.

Kudos to the team for adding it tho, it -is- pretty cool.

-F-

[DFalcon]

I like this change for all the fiddly BS it is going to eliminate.

It will put more front line aircraft up front and have an effect on experience levels. Probably not as big as many fear, time will tell.

But come on, can you really tell me that you like the contortionist act you are going through now to maintain your Jap air groups?

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: DFalcon

But come on, can you really tell me that you like the contortionist act you are going through now to maintain your Jap air groups?

Agreed, and I seriously doubt air to air losses will go up from their currently high levels. What we have now is a lop-sided affair where one side gets wiped out and the other suffers few if any casualties.

With better pilots the losses for the victor will go up, but the losers losses will go down since they actually won a few engagements. So we might actually see a more balanced air to air model in games where players carefully manipulate the system to keep their pilots experience at the front at the 70+ level.

Bomber losses will probably increase though, as more fighters will get through CAP now.

Overall I think this helps Japan the most since they have the ability to air transfer most of their groups to and from the front. The allies on the other hand have to take months via naval transport to get groups to the front, so they won’t have as much flexibility with the system as Japan will.

Jim

[DFalcon]

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns


Overall I think this helps Japan the most since they have the ability to air transfer most of their groups to and from the front. The allies on the other hand have to take months via naval transport to get groups to the front, so they won’t have as much flexibility with the system as Japan will.

Jim

This system will eliminate the need to transfer planes all over the map to get experienced pilots. Both sides will keep more groups at home to provide the pool pilots they will draw at the front.

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: DFalcon

This system will eliminate the need to transfer planes all over the map to get experienced pilots. Both sides will keep more groups at home to provide the pool pilots they will draw at the front.

Oops should have been a little more specific about what I meant. The system only works well if you pull the pilots the same turn they get disbanded. But if no large numbers of pilots are needed, why not transfer those groups you have trained and ready to disband to forward bases and fly sub patrols or naval searches till they are needed? Thus Japan has more flexibility.

The British and Australians will be able to do this as well for their air groups in India and Australia, but the US will be stuck with large numbers of training groups in SF sitting idle until needed.

Jim

[Mr.Frag]

Any change at all via a patch risks completely altering the balance of any existing game. It's the nature of patching. The same can be said for playing someone's mod.

[DFalcon]

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

Oops should have been a little more specific about what I meant. The system only works well if you pull the pilots the same turn they get disbanded. But if no large numbers of pilots are needed, why not transfer those groups you have trained and ready to disband to forward bases and fly sub patrols or naval searches till they are needed? Thus Japan has more flexibility.

The British and Australians will be able to do this as well for their air groups in India and Australia, but the US will be stuck with large numbers of training groups in SF sitting idle until needed.

Jim

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I know for a fact I will not miss the old dance one bit.

[Sneer]

i think i have 200+ helen's pilots with 90+ exp - would be nice to have possibility to transfer them to fighter units
and all players know there is little use of Jap bombers in late 43 as ubercap will kill them all for nothing