Hypothetical Scenarios wanted ?

Arralen · Post by **Arralen** » Mon May 22, 2000 11:47 am

I don't have the time to do all the research for a historically correct scenario - and what should it be good for, as Wild Bill and his guys make those marvellous ones already?

But i'm interested in doing some "what-if"'s .. is anyone interested in those ?

Arralen

PS: Any suggestions or wishes ?

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Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Mon May 22, 2000 11:56 am

The sky is the limit when it comes to hypotheticals and I've seen some very good ones.

I hope you will give it a try. Invasion of the US, Fighting in England. Fighting in Cairo. Moscow taken by the Germans.

I hope you will do some, Arralen! And you could do them with no rain

Wild Bill

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Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games

Arralen · Post by **Arralen** » Tue May 23, 2000 4:06 pm

Originally posted by Wild Bill:
The sky is the limit when it comes to hypotheticals and I've seen some very good ones.

I hope you will give it a try. Invasion of the US, Fighting in England. Fighting in Cairo. Moscow taken by the Germans.

I hope you will do some, Arralen! And you could do them with no rain

Wild Bill

Looks like there isn't anyone else interested

Never mind, if I find the time I'll make something very special ...

Arralen

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Drake666 · Post by **Drake666** » Tue May 23, 2000 5:56 pm

I made one as a test and it was not that great and over 100 people downloaded it so their are people interested in that kind of scenerios

renwor · Post by **renwor** » Tue May 23, 2000 6:19 pm

I have one personal tip for "What if"
I am working on it just now. But its DAMN hard to make a map alone. I'll try to use maps of the area,maybe.

The idea is what if the outcome of Munchen 1938 wasn't what it was, and what if Germans had to attack Czechoslovakia.
I try to recreate Czech border defences (fortifications)in mountanious area. Many are preserved up to day and are rather original. No forward fire weaponery, exept few over-hill howitzers. I plan to put massive german force against the "BABA" ("Old Hag") fort. The problem is I cannot redesign existing forts to my liking. What I need to adjust are fields of fire. I would need to use two standard bunkers to make into one czech one. they were "T" shaped with fire fields like this " >T< ", where enemy is up the page.
Anyhow "Old Hag" coming soon

, look into scenarios section in a week or so.

Renwor

Drake666 · Post by **Drake666** » Tue May 23, 2000 6:57 pm

Making maps are easy. Its finding a hictoric map of the area that you want to do and that is the right scale that is hard. I did one for my Battle of Askim, that covered Askim and the area around and at 50m a hex I got the scale right and most of the major stuff like roads and railway. But its still not perfict by any means. I thinks the best you can hope for most of the time is just getting the tarrain types and season right. A historic map is just to hard to put togethere.

fdlu · Post by **fdlu** » Wed May 24, 2000 12:40 am

Please feel free to create what if.. -
scenarios or maybe some alternate history
one´s ( i´m a big science fiction fan too)
as they are a lot of fun (you never know
what lurks in the shadows, contrary to history)
as for some ideas: read s.m. stirlings
"Marching through Georgia", which fits
this game nicely.
hoping for some fun.

)

dgstokes · Post by **dgstokes** » Wed May 24, 2000 12:56 am

Hey, "what if's" would be very welcome. The more scenarios I can download the better since I don't have the talent to write them. There's probably more interest than you can easily judge from the forum. A lot of people are too busy playing to post.

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sven · Post by **sven** » Wed May 24, 2000 12:58 am

I for one would love to see any of these hypotheticals.

1)french intervention in the Chinese Civil War.

2)Joint U.S.-German invasion of Warsaw Pact in 1946. (patton v.zhukov)

3)Joint U.S.- Japanese attack on Eastern Siberia 1946

just a few ideas,
Sven

p.s. or how about England and Canada vs. France in the thirties?

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed May 24, 2000 1:04 am

All good ones. I'll keep those in mind. Figmo did a good Czech invasion and fight earlier in another version of SP, called Operation Bruntal.

I'm hoping to talking into remaking it for this game. I think he will.

I'm thinking of a hypothetical campaign, USA vs USSR, April 45, around the area of the Elbe River. They met with gunfire instead of cigarettes. What do you think? About 4-5 battles...maybe throw in some beleaguered Germans taking the US side against the Ruskies...WB

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Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games

sven · Post by **sven** » Wed May 24, 2000 1:12 am

sounds good Wild Bill. I never did get my Hypothetical Hong Kong invasion done for SP2. I think four or five battles would be great. German remenants would esily have helped the US.

regards,
sven

p.s. My problem with the China v British scenario was very similar to the problem with my China v. Taiwan scenario. In real life the Communist logistics are so bad that an invasion seems really unlikely. The Chicoms are deficient in their support structure in a huge way, and have miniscule air and sea lift abilities.

Do you think I should ignore that and complete them with an "idealistic" chinese amphibious force? I think I could remake my scenario for Hong Kong to fit into 1948 or 1949. (but that makes it much harder for the Brits... =>)

Dave R · Post by **Dave R** » Wed May 24, 2000 5:14 am

I know the date cut off is 1949 But if somebody wants to do something a bit different what about Korea! There's a wealth of sp2 sanerios that just beg to be converted
OK there's no Korean OB, but I'm sure the Chinese wouldn't object to being drafted in more fully. It's a shame that Matrix didn't think to extend the game dates to cover the korean war too, it would have fitted in perfectly

troopie · Post by **troopie** » Wed May 24, 2000 6:40 am

How about, France invades Germany in 1939, Spain attacks Gibraltar, Nationalists violate French territory so France intervenes in SCW, Italy doesn't surrender after fall of Sicily, Japan invades Australia.

Alf Coppel wrote a fine novel called "Burning Mountain" about the US ground invasion of Japan. Wish I could tell you how it ends, but I left my only copy on a plane and haven't seen it for sale since. It would make fine scenario grist.

Hypotheticals are fun!

troopie

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Wed May 24, 2000 6:48 am

I'm surprised no one mentioned my personal favorite - Patton leading the US against the Rooskies

sven · Post by **sven** » Wed May 24, 2000 7:03 am

umm paul I did....

Patton v. Zhukov

Do you have an opinion on who the victor would have been?

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Wed May 24, 2000 5:02 pm

Duhhhooo I knew I should have looked closer...

Actually I don't think either side would have "won" I think it would have gone very similar to an East-West Korean war, with the Russians likely initally pushing actross the Rhine into France, but once their supply line got too extended across Germany and the Weight of Western Air and Naval power was brought to bear on Soviet supply lines, then the Bear would have been beaten back to its origianl borders where a settlement would be negotiated.

I think had the Soviets kept going through Germany the first few months would have been a near run thing on shear weight of numbers on the ground. But the Soviets inability to strike at the US, while she herself was vulnerable to attack on exterior lines into Europe would have told in the end. Once the Soviet strategic reserves of POL and material was expended, with effectively the entire World against her, an invasion of Europe would have been unsupportable logistically.

I don't think the West would have had inclination to actually invade very far into the USSR, and faced with the same problems the Germans did, would have likely NOT used "unconditional surrender" on the Russians.

Then there is the A-Bomb...but I don't think that would have been used unless the Russians were approaching the channel coast, and it would have been a while before we had enough of them to be decisive. At least compared to what literally tens of thousands of comventional bombers could do. (Though I am far from a fan of strategic bombing:-)

This is one of those "term paper projects" one can't do justice to in 4 paragraphs...alot more to it than that, but my general thoughts in a nutshell...