Whats happened to the patches.

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Whats happened to the patches.

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I would say Im a  big supporter of this game, but I have to say that the game as is still needs much work to make it playable.  I understand that there is a major upgrade in the works, but in the meantime there should be more patches released fixing the known bugs.  The level of interest seems to have dropped off significantly since it is next to impossible to set up a league and play the game.  Got tired of waiting for the next upgrade and finally tried to do a league season, simming the regular season games and playing out the playoffs.  Forgetting the terrible sim stats here are some of the other problems.
 
1.  The league that did was a 12 team league with 2 divisons of 6 teams, with a 14 week season.  I let the game generate the schedule and its very obvious that the game cant create a simple schedule.  Here is one example.  One team from on division played one team from the other division 4 times, another team from the other divison 2 times and two other teams from that division 1 time, for 8 of its 14 games.  It played 2 of the teams from its division 2 times and 2 teams one time and didnt play the other team from its division.  Its great that people are working on schedule utilities, but the basic game has to do a better job of  generating a schedule.
 
2.  Had several problems with the played games.  First, one team kicked off, the return men for the receiving team just stood in place while the ball bounced into the end zone, the kicking team then recovered for a TD, this is not the first time that return men have not made any move to the ball.  Doesnt happen all the time the same team received several other kickoffs and the KR went to the ball.
 
3.  This just shouldnt happen.  One team scored, for reason on the extra point the text said they scored a rouge, but they did not receive a point.  But the did receive the ball on the opposition 2 yards line.  They then scored and kicked the extra point, so got 13 points in about 30 sec..
 
4.  Substitution needs work.  The human controlled team had depth charts set and they were followed for the first game of the playoffs.  In the second game the teams starting HB, started the game but was replaced in the first quarter.  I could never get him back into the game as a HB, finally got him back in as a FB.  Sometimes I tried to replace players, would click the player go to the depth chart and then was not able to move another player to that position.  It seems to work sometimes but needs work.
 
As stated I understand your desire to do a major upgrade, but in the meantime people that have bought the game are left hanging becuase the game really isnt ready to play leagues out in its current state.  I know my interest in the game is starting to lag and after this last attempt to play a season I probably wont do another thing with the game until the upgrade.
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RE: Whats happened to the patches.

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Please read the following threads;

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1140325

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1122577

A can not possible make the changes I'm making and release patches. There is just no way for me to 'turn off' the code that is being written and now becoming interegal to the game so that I can make a fix to some other area for a release.

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RE: Whats happened to the patches.

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How about an update on when this new release may be coming out then?
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RE: Whats happened to the patches.

Post by Marauders »

Because of the changes being made, there isn't a patch that would be ready for a public release - even in a beta state.  Features are being tested and refined in the PDS 2.0 and other areas are being looked at.  There have been a few posts on this by David, including some screen shots, but at this time any beta build would not help in the areas that have been mentioned.
 
Please keep giving input, as it is important.  I am sure David is keeping track of things that need to be changed or tweaked.
 
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RE: Whats happened to the patches.

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 The league that did was a 12 team league with 2 divisons of 6 teams, with a 14 week season.  I let the game generate the schedule and its very obvious that the game cant create a simple schedule.  Here is one example.  One team from on division played one team from the other division 4 times, another team from the other divison 2 times and two other teams from that division 1 time, for 8 of its 14 games.  It played 2 of the teams from its division 2 times and 2 teams one time and didnt play the other team from its division.  Its great that people are working on schedule utilities, but the basic game has to do a better job of  generating a schedule.

I agree. 
 
I have brought this up in beta, but the PDS upgrade is the current "A" project, and there is only time to work on and test one major area.  That does not mean that no other areas are being ignored; it just means that they can not all be done at the same time. 

There are several ways to resolve the schedule issues, but it may take some time to complete any upgrade.

For a balanced schedule, a 12 team league with 2 divisons of 6 teams should have a schedule of 10 to 16 games, so a 14 game schedule should not normally be a problem.  In fact, I would recommend a 14 game schedule in order to introduce a "strength of schedule" element into it.
 
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