Research: useless feature?

Mist · Post by **Mist** » Thu May 31, 2001 8:06 pm

Hi All!
I am curious whether anyone really uses this feature with practical benefits? I've made a test by switching all panzer factories to Kingstiger at 22.06.41. Waited until mid-november'41. Then had took a look at apearing date of this panzer. It shifted by 4 weeks. And that was done with all possible factories researching it nearly 5(five!) months. ENORMOUS price for very very little gain. What are your opinions guys? Thanx!

[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: Mist ]

Hoth · Post by **Hoth** » Fri Jun 01, 2001 4:01 pm

I tested a game out where I switched all tank production to Panthers and all air production to Bf-109G.

5-3-42 Bf-109G became avilable and 10-4-42 Panthers became avilable.

Would've been nice if there was a different research system where you didn't have to sacrafice your production.

Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Sat Jun 02, 2001 8:21 am

Originally posted by Mist:
Hi All!
I am curious whether anyone really uses this feature with practical benefits? I've made a test by switching all panzer factories to Kingstiger at 22.06.41. Waited until mid-november'41. Then had took a look at apearing date of this panzer. It shifted by 4 weeks. And that was done with all possible factories researching it nearly 5(five!) months. ENORMOUS price for very very little gain. What are your opinions guys? Thanx!

[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: Mist ]

Mist

Thanks for giving me an idea of how the reserch system works. I was totally ignorant on this one though i have two factories working on T34-85 reserch in a pbem game. I only did this cause i've many other factories producing T34-M43's.

How do you look a appearance date for types.
I use manual but this is out of date.

Nick

[ June 02, 2001: Message edited by: Lokioftheaesir ]

RickyB · Post by **RickyB** » Sat Jun 02, 2001 9:40 am

Originally posted by Lokioftheaesir:
Mist

Thanks for giving me an idea of how the reserch system works. I was totally ignorant on this one though i have two factories working on T34-85 reserch in a pbem game. I only did this cause i've many other factories producing T34-M43's.

How do you look a appearance date for types.
I use manual but this is out of date.

Nick

[ June 02, 2001: Message edited by: Lokioftheaesir ]

Hey Nick,

Mist may have another way, but one way to find out all the tank and plane data is to do Alt-R, which will show availability dates in the report created. The report is in the WIR directory - open it with Wordpad and both sides tanks and planes are shown at the bottom.

Barbos · Post by **Barbos** » Sun Jun 03, 2001 8:04 am

My experience: do not turn the factories at the very beginning, wait until their capacity grows large enough. Then you switch them so that you get say x1*(4), x2*(4),... for any factory. The numbers x depend on factory's capacity and the researched item's cost. In practice the research works more or less regularly if total x1+x2+... is not less than 20. Btw I always use it and find reasonable.

Mist · Post by **Mist** » Mon Jun 04, 2001 12:17 am

Loki and Rick! I've found that report file which can be created via alt-r command gives wrong and/or less accurate appearing dates. So, I look at appraring dates through editwir by opening saved games as scenarios. They seem to have the same format and appearing dates include are day/month/year instead of month/year in report.txt file.

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Mon Jun 04, 2001 7:53 am

Originally posted by Mist:
Loki and Rick! I've found that report file which can be created via alt-r command gives wrong and/or less accurate appearing dates.

This is already on the buglist.

So, I look at appraring dates through editwir by opening saved games as scenarios. They seem to have the same format and appearing dates include are day/month/year instead of month/year in report.txt file.

Ok, I'll put this on the buglist too.

Mist · Post by **Mist** » Mon Jun 04, 2001 2:28 pm

Thank you, Ed!

Could you possibly also add there thing to summarize only one side's city information? Currently there is full German&Soviet city summary created and it is barely usefull. I guess it is not hard to fix.

Marc · Post by **Marc** » Mon Jun 04, 2001 9:00 pm

Originally posted by Mist:
Bestaubt sind die Gesichter, Doch froh ist unser Sinn!
Es braust unser Panzer Im Sturmwind dahin!

This makes me remember my time in the army ten years ago. I was gunner in a Leopard 2 and we sung this song. http://ingeb.org/Lieder/obssturm.html

But I can't remember singing the 3rd verse. Not quite astounding

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Some recruits refused to sing the last verse. Yes, times have changed since the last war. Thank goodness.

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Mon Jun 04, 2001 11:08 pm

Originally posted by Mist:
Thank you, Ed! Could you possibly also add there thing to summarize only one side's city information? Currently there is full German city summary created and it is barely usefull. I guess it is not hard to fix.

Good idea.

Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 3:50 am

Originally posted by Mist:
Loki and Rick! I've found that report file which can be created via alt-r command gives wrong and/or less accurate appearing dates. So, I look at appraring dates through editwir by opening saved games as scenarios. They seem to have the same format and appearing dates include are day/month/year instead of month/year in report.txt file.

Thanks Ricky and Mist for the info on that Alt-R file. Yes the appearance dates are out but still good to look at to clear up what is on the front exct.

Nick