BUG REPORT: What did you do to ECM?

[Bucks]

Hi all there's a strange something that I've taken a couple of pics of, it seems to me that ships that had active ECM prior to their demise continue to radiate ECM even when listed as sinking and have suffered 100% damage. If I check the unit report window there are no detected emissions, the ship is sinking after all but the small smudge mark denoting active ECM remains. Some type of refresh bug or problem with the GUI not sure you may want to know though. I've also been led to believe that even if you turn off your radar that's suffering jamming the small x remains seems the smudge for ECM and X for jammed may need looking at.

thanks

Darren

[hermanhum]

I'm seeing the exact same thing:

1) Dead ships continue to show 'jamming'
2) Also, in other situations, when I turn OFF my radar, the planes still show the "X" to denote that it is being jammed even though it is not radiating.

P.s.  Is that the test scenario whereby your Forgers are able to bomb and kill a Tico with virtual impunity?  [X(]  [:D]

[Bucks]

Hi All,

Further testing has given me some unusual screenshots!

This pic has a Royal Australian Navy Oberon Class SS picking up a Sovremenny's ECM emissions!!!!

Well it's not. I have unit report screens showing no detected emmissions (yeah the sub's under the water Doh!) There's obviously a bug as I reported earlier with the jamming "smudge" and jammed "x". The Sovremenny is actually using her ECM and is active, so I'd say the "smudge" is just appearing regardless of the detecting platform's ability to either be jammed or detect the jamming itself.

This will obviously be a problem in terms of realism. Comments...

(btw the sub is at -100m)

Cheers

Darren

[hermanhum]

Which DB?  ODb? ANW1.4?  ANW 1.5?  HUD?

[Bucks]

I would have thought you'd have known LOL HUD.

[hermanhum]

I'm looking in HUD-II and these are the sensors I see for platform #123 Sovremenny

fShip_SensorIndexNum    IDN    ItemID
1    63    Band Stand (Radar) v0
2    89    Volga [Palm Frond] (Radar) v0
3    89    Volga [Palm Frond] (Radar) v0
4    89    Volga [Palm Frond] (Radar) v0
5    118    MR-700M Fregat-M [Top Plate] (Radar) v0
6    123    MR-123 Vympel [Bass Tilt] (Radar) v2
7    123    MR-123 Vympel [Bass Tilt] (Radar) v2
8    129    Orekh [Front Dome] (Radar) v0
9    129    Orekh [Front Dome] (Radar) v0
10    129    Orekh [Front Dome] (Radar) v0
11    129    Orekh [Front Dome] (Radar) v0
12    129    Orekh [Front Dome] (Radar) v0
13    129    Orekh [Front Dome] (Radar) v0
14    316    MG-332 Titan 2 [Bull Horn] (Active/Passive Sonar) v1
15    435    Platina [Steer Hide] (Active VDS) v1

I don't see any jammer, at all.

[Bucks]

You'd be looking at an old DB. Try it on with a different DB and see if you can recreate the "bug?" Say you set up the same situation (ie. active surface jammer vs submerged sub). Use different DB and if you get the same display then we have a GAME bug. If not then it's DB related or otherwise.

Btw Herman and everyone else I'll post a new DB as soon as I have finished moving house and that "patch" is official and DB editors have some idea of the changes that have been made. Compared to most games any updates can have a profound effect on many aspects of gameplay with Harpoon. Just chill out and you can play with it soon.

Darren

[mikmykWS]

I second that. Relax and worry about your own database. Everybody will get there when they get there[:)] Darren's earned his stripes a long time ago.

[hermanhum]

Took your suggestion and looked for the bug. Looks like you've found another one, Bucks! [:D]

• Jamming detected underwater
  
  Submerged submarines can detect ships emitting ECM.

Sample file has been attached for ODb.
StrategyZoneOnline

[mikmykWS]

Ouch nice catch Herman. Did you post this to the appropriate place so that the guys that do the fixing can see it?

[Bucks]

Mik, does anything get fixed? These are issues I raised with Jesse Spears some what 5 years back or so. I am simply posting bugs I know from H2 I haven't even started on the current ones. LOL

If you look at my Yak-38 Forger post ODB - What's the best Aircraft??? That bug or lets face it the "bugs" are errors, has been there since the first release of Harpoon2. So after all these years nobody could even sort the aircraft in the database by DATA value from say highest to lowest and maybe the Yak-38 would have stood out like dog's proverbials.

The Gun ammo type bug LOL and they are selling this software to Navies for training!!! As an Australian taxpayer I have a right to expect this thing to work properly. I and I mean my tax $$$ helped fund it, you owe me at least to fix it.

Hey what about I go to the media here with this...
























Just kidding...

Darren

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Bucks

Mik, does anything get fixed? These are issues I raised with Jesse Spears some what 5 years back or so. I am simply posting bugs I know from H2 I haven't even started on the current ones. LOL

Yes I think 140 something of them at last count. However there are a bunch left and some pop up with the new features. Kind of a fact of life but for the most part they did and do a good job. Its also pretty typical of a product who's developmental lifespan continues as it ends up in the hands of the final user. Its not like Harpoon 2 where they said...this is done. Harpoon 3 has always been about a work in progress. Its really up to you to make a decision whether you think your money is well spent and things are being addressed. I think they are so I stick with it.

If you look at my Yak-38 Forger post ODB - What's the best Aircraft??? That bug or lets face it the "bugs" are errors, has been there since the first release of Harpoon2. So after all these years nobody could even sort the aircraft in the database by DATA value from say highest to lowest and maybe the Yak-38 would have stood out like dog's proverbials.

The ANW Database is the AGSI database which reflects Larry's Data. They deemed it wiser to spend time on this one rather then sink alot of time into the old one(which already has a pretty bad reputation and frankly isn't in line with the current dataset). So keep an eye on the ANW DB (Dale's doing that one btw) as it'll be more in line with 4.1 rules. FWIW they made a number of changes to the ODB prior to shipping to get rid of some of the biggies (blind exocets, weird x sections etc) and make sure the orginal scenarios work but it was time to move on. Thats progress[:)]

The Gun ammo type bug LOL and they are selling this software to Navies for training!!! As an Australian taxpayer I have a right to expect this thing to work properly. I and I mean my tax $$$ helped fund it, you owe me at least to fix it.

Hey what about I go to the media here with this...

IIRC the Australians aren't using the ODB so your tax dollars are fine. Harpoon Pro is a different animal and is absolutely tailored for their needs. You don't see them complaining do you[:)]

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

IIRC the Australians aren't using the ODB so your tax dollars are fine. Harpoon Pro is a different animal and is absolutely tailored for their needs. You don't see them complaining do you[:)]

Yeah the Australian Navy has been using a modified version of the DB2000:

http://www.harpoonhq.com/harpoon3/scenarios/

The Aussies have of course asked for permission to use and modify the DB2000 database to suit their needs. But sadly, as we all now know, certain members of the community have much less respect for other people's intellectual property...

[hermanhum]

ORIGINAL: Bucks

does anything get fixed? These are issues I raised with Jesse Spears some what 5 years back or so. I am simply posting bugs I know from H2 I haven't even started on the current ones. LOL

Doing the same thing here. Just looking at the old bugs and re-testing in ANW. For the most part, they are one in the same. [:(]

[jkruny]

Did some testing on this one.

Although the active ECM symbol is showing for the Spruance, the sub is not in fact showing a Detected Emissions in the Unit Status box for the contact.

Still a bug, reported to AGSI.

[Vincenzo_Beretta]

ORIGINAL: Bucks

Mik, does anything get fixed? These are issues I raised with Jesse Spears some what 5 years back or so. I am simply posting bugs I know from H2 I haven't even started on the current ones. LOL

The official party line was, IIRC, "this is a known issue".

As a guy on usenet put it:

"I stopped sending bug reports to AGS about two months after I purchased
the game; the only response I ever got was, "That's a known problem."

Uh. Yeah. So is acute appendicitis, but if I limp to the doctor and
report I'm burning with fever and wracked with abdominal pain, I'm
really looking for more than the mere *acknowledgement* that my concern
is valid. "

[Giftzwerg on the war-historical newgroup]

IMHO, it is still best answer around to the "this is a known problem" catch-all sentence *wannabe* [:D]

[mikmykWS]

Nobody off Usenet really pays attention to what he posts anymore as its fairly consistent. You see the same thing over and over which makes readers take it less seriously. Pretty funny guy though[:)]

In terms of "known issue", I think somebody was probably trying to tell you the issue was already logged into the system and nothing beyond that. Dragging it out on Usenet as a point of contention (way out of context too) was just vindictive and frankly just meant to load Gifty's gun.

By virtue of having an open line of communications between developer and user I think it shows that AGSI generally cares about trying to fix bugs and ultimately making their customers happy. I think the downside though is that some get miffed when their bug isn't a priority[:(]

[hermanhum]

ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta


the only response I ever got was, "That's a known problem."

Uh. Yeah. So is acute appendicitis, but if I limp to the doctor and report I'm burning with fever and wracked with abdominal pain, I'm really looking for more than the mere *acknowledgement* that my concern is valid. "

[Giftzwerg on the war-historical newgroup]

OMG! That thread was HILARIOUS! I can't remember the last time I laughed so hard. [:D]

Giftzwerg may be a bit on the crude side, but he hits the nail right on the proverbial head.

[mikmykWS]

Hehe. Sorry Herman not biting on this one.[:)] 
 

[Vincenzo_Beretta]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

The Aussies have of course asked for permission to use and modify the DB2000 database to suit their needs. But sadly, as we all now know, certain members of the community have much less respect for other people's intellectual property...

...Or for their sheer intellect, if that matters [8D]