Loki defeated.

[Lokioftheaesir]

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I started a '41 game as the Soviets a short time back with Josan. The aim was to see how the game played as Soviets in Ver 3.101.
It is my duty to declare that i conceeded the game on turn 3 after the Germans took Pskov, Mogilev and Kiev with groups of air supplied Pz corps. Not so bad (losing the cities) in it'self but...

Loki saw the weird and wonderfull future in strings of supply level 1 hexes that trailed back from the Pz spearheads.

Oh well.. I'll truly know better next time.

Nick
(obviously a tired and confused old grognard and, it seems, part of a minority of realists)
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The Edit
Josan has emailed me with a lack of understanding regarding my action.(?) Loki has offered a replay with some house rules that should gag the magical Ju-52 dragon and return the game from the mescalin dream it had drifted into.

[ October 16, 2001: Message edited by: Lokioftheaesir ]</p>

[Svar]

Originally posted by Lokioftheaesir:
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I started a '41 game as the Soviets a short time back with Josan. The aim was to see how the game played as Soviets in Ver 3.101.
It is my duty to declare that i conceeded the game on turn 3 after the Germans took Pskov, Mogilev and Kiev with groups of air supplied Pz corps. Not so bad (losing the cities) in it'self but...

Loki saw the weird and wonderfull future in strings of supply level 1 hexes that trailed back from the Pz spearheads.

Oh well.. I'll truly know better next time.

Nick
(obviously a tired and confused old grognard and, it seems, part of a minority of realists)
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The Edit
Josan has emailed me with a lack of understanding regarding my action.(?) Loki has offered a replay with some house rules that should gag the magical Ju-52 dragon and return the game from the mescalin dream it had drifted into.

[ October 16, 2001: Message edited by: Lokioftheaesir ]

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Lokioftheaesir,

The string of level 1 supply hexes trailing back to the Pz spearhead is normal on the turn of advance. If the Pz Korps moved out of supply though those trail of level 1 supply hexes will revert back to Soviet control if the Soviet supply level is 3 or higher and the German supply level is 0. That leaves the Pz Korps out of supply and unless the Pz Korps is within 7 hexes of a friendly air base you can bomb it with all Soviet unescorted bombers within range without the threat of interception. Also unless the Pz Korps is being supplied from an air base within the range of German fighters Soviet fighters within 7 hexes from the Pz Korps should intercept the Ju-52s and prevent any air supply.

Svar

[Josans]

Originally posted by Lokioftheaesir:
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I started a '41 game as the Soviets a short time back with Josan. The aim was to see how the game played as Soviets in Ver 3.101.
It is my duty to declare that i conceeded the game on turn 3 after the Germans took Pskov, Mogilev and Kiev with groups of air supplied Pz corps. Not so bad (losing the cities) in it'self but...

Loki saw the weird and wonderfull future in strings of supply level 1 hexes that trailed back from the Pz spearheads.

Oh well.. I'll truly know better next time.

Nick
(obviously a tired and confused old grognard and, it seems, part of a minority of realists)
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The Edit
Josan has emailed me with a lack of understanding regarding my action.(?) Loki has offered a replay with some house rules that should gag the magical Ju-52 dragon and return the game from the mescalin dream it had drifted into.

[ October 16, 2001: Message edited by: Lokioftheaesir ]

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Hey Loki I test the movements with no air supply and no special supply. Results : Pskov falls after retreat, Mogilev falls after shatter the defending units, Kiev falls after retreat...

There is no magical Ju-52 dragons, it was not a mescalin dream. It was only a bad defense or good attack.

Josan.

P.S. Im also a tired and confused old grognard...

[Lokioftheaesir]

Originally posted by Josan:


Hey Loki I test the movements with no air supply and no special supply. Results : Pskov falls after retreat, Mogilev falls after shatter the defending units, Kiev falls after retreat...

There is no magical Ju-52 dragons, it was not a mescalin dream. It was only a bad defense or good attack.

Josan.

P.S. Im also a tired and confused old grognard...

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Josan

1.As i said the loss of cities exct was not the issue.
2.I forgot that the air supply rules have been revamped and if Svar (a better player than i) says that to use air supply in this manner is OK then i will abide by that.
As i said in my eMail to you, it was a good attack. I never questioned your abillity as a player.
In your email to me you said..
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'It seems literally you hate people who play like me'
How could i hate you?, i dont even know you. Emotion has nothing to do with this, it's only a game.
The 'play like me' bit i dont understand.

I will do my 6/july turn and send it to you to continue the game if you so wish. As i said i'm playing this to see how the new version plays as soviets. Winning or not(for me personally) is not the issue.

Nick

[Ed Cogburn]

Originally posted by Lokioftheaesir:
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I started a '41 game as the Soviets a short time back with Josan. The aim was to see how the game played as Soviets in Ver 3.101.
It is my duty to declare that i conceeded the game on turn 3 after the Germans took Pskov, Mogilev and Kiev with groups of air supplied Pz corps. Not so bad (losing the cities) in it'self but...

Loki saw the weird and wonderfull future in strings of supply level 1 hexes that trailed back from the Pz spearheads.

Oh well.. I'll truly know better next time.

Nick
(obviously a tired and confused old grognard and, it seems, part of a minority of realists)

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Loki, how aggresive are you in using bypassed Soviet units to cut the supply lines for the Panzers? Not all units will move because of the problems the Soviets have in the beginning, but some will. With an overly aggresive German you can easily cutoff 3 to 5 of his panzers after their first penetration, which forces him to spend time reopening the supply line before those panzers can penetrate again. Don't use all of your forces like this, save especially the large tank divisions, but leave some of your rifle divisions behind in numerous corps to keep cutting German supply lines of advancing units until he can surround all of these units and kill them, and he can only do that when all of his infantry has caught up.

If Josan is air suppling Pz units that are in low supply at the edge of their penetration then this is not a problem. He's boosting low supply with some extra air supply. If these Pz units are in a supply level 0 square, and he is using air supply to keep them at high readiness going forward and attacking, then that is an abuse of air supply to me. WWII air supply is not capable of keeping a motorized korps, out of ground supply, moving and fighting indefinitely in enemy territory, IMHO.