true story about US Navy

czerpak · Post by **czerpak** » Wed Dec 12, 2001 3:03 pm

This is about some NATO fleet trainings few years ago :
it's heavy fog and a radio message comes :
Americans : this is a message for spotted unit. We are a US navy ship and you should change your course for 15 degrees north to avoid collision.

Canadians : No, you change your course for 15 degrees south to avoid collision.

Americans : I repeat. You change your course.

Canadians : I repeat. You change course.

Americans : This is US aircraft carrier captain speaking. We are a big warship so you change course.

Canadians : and we are canadian lighthouse. What now ?

Mist · Post by **Mist** » Wed Dec 12, 2001 4:18 pm

<img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> ROFL

mogami · Post by **mogami** » Fri Dec 14, 2001 10:46 am

Greetings It would be a great story if only it was true.
To make it more believable make it a pre WW2 battleship. The way it stands now we have to believe
1. The ship was mis-plotted on it's charts
2. It's radar was down.
3. it's escorts radars were down and they too were misplotted
4. Nato AC are all weather and a birdfarm woulf have had something airborne.

but still a good laugh

Mist · Post by **Mist** » Fri Dec 14, 2001 10:59 am

Originally posted by Mogami:
Greetings It would be a great story if only it was true.
To make it more believable make it a pre WW2 battleship. The way it stands now we have to believe
1. The ship was mis-plotted on it's charts
2. It's radar was down.
3. it's escorts radars were down and they too were misplotted
4. Nato AC are all weather and a birdfarm woulf have had something airborne.

but still a good laugh

you are right Mogami. It is only joke.

Here is another true story about Soviet Fleet.
Two ships, one American and another one Russian meet each other in the ocean. There is a danger of collision, but they can't decide which side to turn for each of them. Russian captain screams in Russian:
- Nalevo svorachivai(turn left)!!
American captain does not understand and screams:
- I don't understand! Speak English please!
Russian captain asks his crew whether anyone speaks English. One young sailor says that he had learned English in school. Captain orders him to communicate with American ship. Sailor screams:
- Do you speak English?!
American captain: YES!! I DO!!
Sailor screams:
-TOGDA NALEVO SVORACHIVAI!! (TURN LEFT THEN!!!)

czerpak · Post by **czerpak** » Fri Dec 14, 2001 1:57 pm

True or not is not important. We had so many jokes about soviet army and navy so one about US doesnt hurt, does it ?

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Sat Dec 15, 2001 2:25 pm

Originally posted by czerpak:
True or not is not important. We had so many jokes about soviet army and navy so one about US doesnt hurt, does it ?

No, no problem. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Now if this were said in the ArtWar forum I would have the sneaking suspicion that its not a joke at all, its just that we shell-shocked yanks need to keep in mind *where* we are. Here its a joke, there its ... something else. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:25 pm

Originally posted by czerpak:
True or not is not important. We had so many jokes about soviet army and navy so one about US doesnt hurt, does it ?

Czerpac

Heres one about the US military.
During Vietnam a USAF psychological commitee decided that 'bad totems' would undermine enemy moral. So they dropped 1.5 million plastic monkeys on Laos. This in the hope that enemy fighting ability would be undermined. Lots of Loatian children ended up with new toys that year.
Hard to believe? Well they did drop 7 million tons of bombs on N/Vietnam to not obvious effect, (Line Backer 1 and 11) In that single campaign more bombs were dropped than in all wars in history, no-one has heard of it? Thats because it achieved nothing. (but made Dupont a huge profit)

The west ridicules the soviet millitary now cause thats the fashion. Also the allies never liked being told that it was the Soviet Union that defeated the german army on the ground. They know that if germany had not been engaged in the east there would have been no D-Day.

The west has a 'Long' history af really stupid acts.

How about Dresden? in WW2 They bombed the city flat because they had no other targets and one hell of of a lot of bombers that had to be used. A city of cathederals with no millitary significance. 50,000 civillians dead.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki ended a war in the Pacific with 50 to 70 thousand dead in each. Dresden ended nothing and killed a whole lot of innocents for no good reason.

Loki

PS. Every country has its blunders and they try to sweep them under the mat, just human nature.

[ December 16, 2001: Message edited by: Lokioftheaesir ]</p>

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:46 pm

Dont forget American popular culture- destroys more innocents than two bombs and a dresden put together.

Noticed anything in Australian supermarkets loki?

Our good 'ol tomato sauce if being replaced by ketchup.
and the list goes on and on.................

Thank god they have baseball- so they'll leave cricket alone.

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Sun Dec 16, 2001 2:30 pm

Originally posted by Muzrub:
Dont forget American popular culture- destroys more innocents than two bombs and a dresden put together.

Noticed anything in Australian supermarkets loki?

Our good 'ol tomato sauce if being replaced by ketchup.
and the list goes on and on.................

Thank god they have baseball- so they'll leave cricket alone.

Baseball, Mom, Apple Pie, a Big Mac and large Fry, Blue Jeans, you gotta' love it!

Hey, wait a sec, I hate baseball....

[ December 16, 2001: Message edited by: Ed Cogburn ]</p>

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Sun Dec 16, 2001 2:55 pm

Originally posted by Lokioftheaesir:

Czerpac

Heres one about the US military.

I believe Loki that the trolling of US-bashers is restricted to the ArtWar forum. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> You'll find plenty there to argue with you. This is WiR territory, is it not?

Lokioftheaesir · Post by **Lokioftheaesir** » Sun Dec 16, 2001 5:55 pm

Originally posted by Ed Cogburn:

I believe Loki that the trolling of US-bashers is restricted to the ArtWar forum. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> You'll find plenty there to argue with you. This is WiR territory, is it not?

ED

I find the "this is WiR territory. is it not?"
comment very strange.
Did'nt you and i exchange quite a few posts over the deployment of US CVNBG's to help Australia in times of threat?
And if i remember i was saying how glad i was that they were there if we needed them. (hardly the stance of a US basher)
If mistakes are pointed out and not forgotten then they will not happen again.
It's because i 'give a damn' about the west and it's acts that i recite history. not any childish desire to 'bash' any specific nation.

Loki

PS. Though actually i enjoy UK bashing, is it my Irish blood?

[ December 16, 2001: Message edited by: Lokioftheaesir ]</p>

frank1970 · Post by **frank1970** » Mon Dec 17, 2001 2:04 pm

Hey boys, no Christmas feelings? Be friendly, go to AOW forum, when you want to flame eachother.
Would that be ok for you both?

Frank

czerpak · Post by **czerpak** » Mon Dec 17, 2001 3:55 pm

Hi all,
first of all I didnt mean to arise an international arguing debate when I posted this joke.
I know this is a Wir site, but I think Wir is not the only thing we doing in our live (maybe on some days or nights...) and your opinions on diferent issues are sometimes really interesting.
But if general opinion is not to post such things here thats ok, I have to accept it.

Maciej

BTW Muzrub,
the same damn thing with tomato sauce replaced by ketchup happened here in Poland.

Muzrub · Post by **Muzrub** » Mon Dec 17, 2001 6:13 pm

believe Loki that the trolling of US-bashers is restricted to the ArtWar forum. You'll find plenty there to argue with you. This is WiR territory, is it not?

C'mon Ed its all very harmless- the art of war is all to serious.

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Mon Dec 17, 2001 11:09 pm

Originally posted by Muzrub:

C'mon Ed its all very harmless- the art of war is all to serious.

Dont forget American popular culture- destroys more innocents than two bombs and a dresden put together.

The above isn't a joke Muzrub. Czerpak's post was a joke, it was obvious, and it was funny. I find no humor in this.

matt.buttsworth · Post by **matt.buttsworth** » Mon Dec 17, 2001 11:34 pm

Better someone tells anotehr joke. Get back into the Christmas spirit.

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 12:06 am

Originally posted by Lokioftheaesir:
I find the "this is WiR territory. is it not?"
comment very strange.
Did'nt you and i exchange quite a few posts over the deployment of US CVNBG's to help Australia in times of threat?
And if i remember i was saying how glad i was that they were there if we needed them. (hardly the stance of a US basher)

That was off-topic, yes, but it wasn't a flame war. Your recent post could start one (probably has with this reply), my response was a constrained attempt to warn you of that.

If mistakes are pointed out and not forgotten then they will not happen again.

If this was the innocent mission of your post, to warn the people of the West about making mistakes a second time, why is your post dedicated only to US mistakes? Would it not strike some that this concentrates so much on one country that it might just possibly be misconstrued as an attack on that country? Are you really claiming to have been completely oblivious to that possibility? The context of your post adds more problems. You bring up your innocent, "educational" message following a sequence of posts where its been alleged the US is under attack by those behind this thread, a thread that started with jokes of the US military. Your message points out "mistakes" of the "West" but is exclusively made up of "mistakes" by the US military, and look at how you start your "educational" message:

Heres one about the US military.

You start by labeling your inflammatory "educational" message as another "joke" about the US military. Do you really expect anyone to look at that post with that particular language and see it as a constructive, objective attempt at educating the masses on an important subject? Do you think we're all idiots?

At the very least, this was not the time or the place for that particular post. At the worst, I find this "explanation" for the post even more troubling than the original post itself. You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself.

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 12:15 am

Originally posted by czerpak:
Hi all,
first of all I didnt mean to arise an international arguing debate when I posted this joke.

You did nothing wrong, as I said in my first post in this thread. Unfortunately, some individials gave in to the temptation to use this thread as cover for a few cheap shots at the US. They are obviously not "jokes" by any stretch of the imagination. The flame war that may arise from this is not your responsibility.

czerpak · Post by **czerpak** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 1:29 pm

Originally posted by Ed Cogburn:

You did nothing wrong, as I said in my first post in this thread. Unfortunately, some individials gave in to the temptation to use this thread as cover for a few cheap shots at the US. They are obviously not "jokes" by any stretch of the imagination. The flame war that may arise from this is not your responsibility.

Ed,
I know it's not my responsibility, what I wanted to say was to kindly ask yo all not to start a flame war. But probably I should made it more straight forward.
I went tru posts once again now and IMHO you are taking this too personally and to serious (which is quite common for Americans. I have some very good friends from US and they are all the same. Some complex or what ? )
I think Loki's post was a joke.
There is IMHO real problem with media in general.
Good example is this terrible attack on your country in September. I've seen on tv reports on demonstrations in Poland against your attack in Afghanistan and against our military forces taking part in your war. And I can tell you ALL people I know were and are with you. The only opinion I heard in real life (not on tv) was :
"Just kill the bastards, because it's our war. We can be next victims" And soldiers are here to fight if neccesary.
BTW 2 friends of mine were in NY that day on
vacation. Thanks God they visited WTC day before.

And IMHO America is not any better or any worse than my country. You got some things which I would love to have here and some I realy hate.
And you could probably say the same about Poland.
And people are the same everywhere - last december I spent my holidays in Thailand with many Americans ( and other nations as well) around. The only real difference I could noticed they had more money to spend then me.
Hope I didnt start another flame war right now,
regards
Maciej

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:32 pm

Originally posted by czerpak:

Ed,
I know it's not my responsibility, what I wanted to say was to kindly ask yo all not to start a flame war.

....

I went tru posts once again now and IMHO you are taking this too personally and to serious (which is quite common for Americans. I have some very good friends from US and they are all the same. Some complex or what ? )

I understand. Perhaps its because I've seen too many eerily similar rants elsewhere. Perhaps because the US is the #1 target for almost all anti-country rants on the internet, this gives you the impression Americans respond too seriously, when in reality we all just got tired of the incessent, never-ending attacks and lost any tolerence we may have had. I don't know. I'm probably not as bad as you think, for one thing, the original rant was not what prompted my last response, my first reply was just to point out this probably wasn't a good place for it, it was the following reply that compelled me to respond directly. Something else, there is a German here who I originally encountered in a mini-flamewar in AOW after certain comments were made, who is now my best long-distance friend, and with whom I've been regularly communicating with for nearly a year, often more than 1 email a week. No subject is off limits, and so far I haven't threatened him with physical violence .... although there may have been a few vague remarks about banishing him from my address book early on

, and he's brought up with some anti-US stuff that would knock Loki's socks off.

In truth, I'm probably more tolerent now than I was a year ago thanks to him.

We will have to respectfully disagree on the joke issue. Any "joke" with "The west has a long history of really stupid acts" for example, without a smiley, or any text nearby to steer this sentence towards humor or put it in a humorous context, simply does not make sense in a joke truly meant to be funny. Its obviously there to state an opinion ... eh ... in my opinion.

[ December 18, 2001: Message edited by: Ed Cogburn ]</p>