How can this Mig-29 see this F-16 with mk1 eyeball, it's behind AND below?
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When I launch an AIM-9X from behind the Mig, how does the Mig know? It has no detection system equipped.

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That definitely looks like a bug, because we have explicitly modelled ...

Ran some tests on AAM incoming detection. Chose an F-22 with an AIM-120C-7 WRA set at max range. All clear skies.

Mig-29k - with radar on detected 120 at 15nm and both 120s missed, without radar detected at 9nm through RWR and solid contact 5nm with optics. Both 120s missed.
Bison - No ...

Thanks a lot for the hard work and constant updates. I really appreciate it.

(caveat: if I have no other radar/ELINT assets on the map, although the F-22 is detected at 21 nm, the Mig is unable to determine what aircraft it is, therefore the target though "certain", will remain yellow on the radar and I had to manually turn it to hostile for the Mig to engage it ...

"If I was to request one or two changes that scenario designers can’t control, it would be a debuff to low skill and changing the system from WHEN something is spotted to IF."

Are you saying that there should be some randomness or a plus minus based on proficiency? Doesn't proficiency already ...

"Situational Awareness in the game is far too good"

I think this is the most salient point. The rest of your list means turning CMO into a 2D combat flight simulator. It starts us down the path of where does it stop. If you go to that level of detail for aircraft radar, you then have to have SAMs ...

The fundamental problem CMO faces right now after these changes is not actually the missile physics, I appreciate the changes (although I feel some aspects still need tweaking).

There's two fundamental issues which leads to unrealistic outcomes:

Skill doesn't matter much, unless you the player ...

I had an absurd situation (which is what prompted me to create this post) where I had multiple wings of F-18s around 20nm apart engage defensive against a couple of SARH missiles.

The missiles were clearly NOT going towards the wings at the back, yet they turned tail and ran anyway.

I will try and ...

After what generation? Thats kind of vague.


Let’s look at how radar actually works instead of what is modelled in CMO, which makes radar WAY too powerful.

The Mig-29 for example has quite a poor radar compared to other 4th Gen platforms, and really only has two BVR modes used in combat.

STT ...

This might be WAD, but I don't think it should be, as it completely ruins A2A tactics.

Multiple separate flights will ALL engage defensive at one single enemy missile that is in rough proximity to them.

Steps to reproduce:

1. Load up any mission including quick mission.
2. Ensure you have two ...

This might be WAD, but I don't think it should be, as it completely ruins A2A tactics.

Multiple separate flights will ALL engage defensive at one single enemy missile that is in rough proximity to them.

Steps to reproduce:

1. Load up any mission including quick mission.
2. Ensure you have two ...

So I don't think that RIM weapons should be default to NEZ, as that lets bombers get WAY too close. Shooting RIMs at them and scaring them off is effectively a mission kill.

So in the scenario I've been playing (modified version of Black Tiger V), I go and set all my RIM weapons to 75%. This causes ...

44% is actually really good for a modern missile against a manoeuvring fighter.

The AIM-7 sparrow hit 7% of the time.

For your F-35 though you’ll want to use one F-35 with its radar on far back, and another up close with its radar OFF that fires the missile.

That should basically guarantee the ...

Thanks both.

That workaround makes sense.

Loving the changes to missiles all round (SAM, A2A, etc). Thinks definitely feel a lot more realistic and less deterministic now.

Playing through Desert Storm and even with NEZ WRA, the AIM-7 Sparrow sucks. In other words, well done.

Let's suppose I have 3 F-14A's and 3 F-14B's, what combination of AAW patrol settings can I use to get a CAP of 2 aircraft at a time that rotates through ALL the planes assigned to the mission? 1/3rd rule will put 2 F-14A's and 2 F-14B's up at the same time, unless I am doing something wrong.

Or if ...

For example, when selecting a unit, it would be nice to see enemy targets that only it knows about (similar to how Combat Mission does it). This could be an option for those who want more realistic command and control simulation.


IIRC this is already included. If you select a friendly unit ...

It's awfully quiet here. :mrgreen:

I really don't think I need this update as 1303.1 seems runs well, until I just tried to update my test scenario (that personal therapy) and find out Misson Editor somewhat glitch out in 1303.1, this one seems better.

Hope the release come out soon ...

I have tested the following missions, in both cases rolling back to stable restored usual performance.

Case 01:
Desert Storm Campaign Mission 02 (save attached). In this case I did start this scenario with the stable version, then half way through the mission upgraded to beta 1304.1. Not sure if ...

We know that the S-300 and possible even S-400 systems did not detect Israeli F-35's over Syria.


We know almost nothing about the context of that (and we don't know for sure if that happened or not).

Context is everything. In the right conditions, Miss Marple can punch out Ivan Drago.


It ...