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ORIGINAL: el cid again
Panama drives me nuts! It is 90 degrees rotated. It is an S lieing on its side with respect to North. The Caribbean end of the Canal is technically WEST of the Pacific end of the Canal! You cannot tell from the map.
ORIGINAL: el cid again
For heavy AA there are two gun types, 3" and 90mm, a pretty straight forward upgrade path, except that by mid-42 the BN changed from a 3 battery 4 gun to a 4 battery 4 gun units. This we also must take into account this increase in the original unit composition. I assign the unit 12 guns to begin with and 4 guns disabled which I think is the best solution giving the nature of static unit composition.
This seems better than it is. Unless a unit suffers casualties, or is grossly unsupplied, it will "upgrade" in a few days. So says Joe, with about 13,000 WITP turns of experience. But sometimes you can control the date of an upgrade. For example, in an aircraft, I can set the replacement plane date to the first operational date in the theater, and before that date NO unit will upgrade to it. Theoretically you can do this with land weapons - provided you don't need them right away.
ORIGINAL: el cid again
This seems better than it is. Unless a unit suffers casualties, or is grossly unsupplied, it will "upgrade" in a few days. So says Joe, with about 13,000 WITP turns of experience.
For upgrading I beg to differ. The Editor Manual clearly states that a device cannot upgrade till the date in which the new device is available (page 8). If this is not the case then the biggest BUG that has gone unnnoticed till now has appeared. So I just set the date for the 90mm to be available in 4203 and the 40mm in 0644. BTW, this will also mean a seperate 40mm for the US from the British which have theirs available since 1940.
That is deliberate. Panama is an "off map" box, and its placement and orientation is dependent on practicality, not alignment of North etc.
ORIGINAL: el cid again
For upgrading I beg to differ. The Editor Manual clearly states that a device cannot upgrade till the date in which the new device is available (page 8). If this is not the case then the biggest BUG that has gone unnnoticed till now has appeared. So I just set the date for the 90mm to be available in 4203 and the 40mm in 0644. BTW, this will also mean a seperate 40mm for the US from the British which have theirs available since 1940.
Your understanding is correct. Somehow you misunderstood what I said, which is the same thing. I didn't catch the reason for a different US 40mm though - it may be a problem for me. I have integrated devices where ever possible to create free slots. Hmmm.
The US Army could not historically have 40mm guns until at least March 42, then in limited numbers. It was not unitl the end of 1943 that 40mm production was greater than the 37mm.
Oh, by the way I hope you have purged the 4.2" mortars also from the US Inf Units. The 4.2" mortar was a strictly Chemical Warfare Service device and was ised exclusively by Chemical Mortar BN's or which the 1 and 2nd were the first in action during the invasion of Sicily:
CWS Vol2:127
"The 4.2-inch mortar first saw action in the taking of Sicily in the summer of 1943. Mortar squads were among the first waves of troops to hit the beach, and they went into action a few minutes after landing."
I believe these troops were from the 1st or 2nd CMB, they both participated. I have posted on this before in the early sessions of CHS and never got a reply as to why they were still organic to the US Infantry in CHS. The first CMB to enter the Pacific was the 98th CMB which actually was formed from the 641st Tank Destroyer BN in June 1944 in of all places New Guinea.... So according to history none were active before mid-1944 in the Pacific. I replaced them with .50cal MG's
The CAA regiments only upgrade is from 3" to 90mm in ver 1.6. The above reference is what I have chose to do with my own mod. The biggest complaint was that there is not enough device slots. Indeed, I added a bunch of CAA regiments that activated before srping 1942.ORIGINAL: el cid again
The US Army could not historically have 40mm guns until at least March 42, then in limited numbers. It was not unitl the end of 1943 that 40mm production was greater than the 37mm.
I know this is correct. But I don't know if it was in CHS that way? And if it was, I have messed it up. I have to think about this. IF we have no units upgrading, does it matter? Did CHS take out all the AA regiments per your suggestion? Except the 200th?
ORIGINAL: el cid again
Oh, by the way I hope you have purged the 4.2" mortars also from the US Inf Units. The 4.2" mortar was a strictly Chemical Warfare Service device and was ised exclusively by Chemical Mortar BN's or which the 1 and 2nd were the first in action during the invasion of Sicily:
CWS Vol2:127
"The 4.2-inch mortar first saw action in the taking of Sicily in the summer of 1943. Mortar squads were among the first waves of troops to hit the beach, and they went into action a few minutes after landing."
I believe these troops were from the 1st or 2nd CMB, they both participated. I have posted on this before in the early sessions of CHS and never got a reply as to why they were still organic to the US Infantry in CHS. The first CMB to enter the Pacific was the 98th CMB which actually was formed from the 641st Tank Destroyer BN in June 1944 in of all places New Guinea.... So according to history none were active before mid-1944 in the Pacific. I replaced them with .50cal MG's
I was informed that the Allies had been subject to several reviews and were in good shape - and also that yet another review was adding more machine guns and other heavy weapons. It appears this is false. But it is not my intention to do a review of EITHER Japanese or Allied land combat units. Joe just did the Japanese. Anyway, I was not looking for this, and I would not have guessed it was a problem: I have material saying that while the 4.2 was a "chemical" service weapon, it was "widely used" for non-chemical munitions. Nary a word it didn't make the Pacific until late! What is the scenario you are looking at? I am using an unissued version of CHS - but it is based on 155 for the Allies. In 155, what lines need correcting?
Now to say that the 4.2" was not used before mid-1944 in the Pacific is subject to interpretation, and companies might be attached to various units for close in fire support. However, I am rock solid sure that the 4.2 was never organic to the Infantry in WWII and did not exist in the US Army in a capacity before mid 1943 to fire high explosives. It was designed by, and built exclusively for, the Chemical Corp. You will not find it in the standard us army ordnance catalog of 1944. Its early use was primarily laying smokescreens (one of the jobs of the Chemical Corp). Fire support was a secondary mission. My solution was to remove it from the Inf units, replace it with M2 mgs (numbers open to debate) and bring in as reinforcment 5 CMB's as they were documented to have arrived at the San Francisico Port of Embarkation.
The CAA regiments only upgrade is from 3" to 90mm in ver 1.6. The above reference is what I have chose to do with my own mod. The biggest complaint was that there is not enough device slots. Indeed, I added a bunch of CAA regiments that activated before srping 1942.
the 4.2 was never organic to the Infantry in WWII and did not exist in the US Army in a capacity before mid 1943 to fire high explosives. It was designed by, and built exclusively for, the Chemical Corp. You will not find it in the standard us army ordnance catalog of 1944. Its early use was primarily laying smokescreens (one of the jobs of the Chemical Corp). Fire support was a secondary mission. My solution was to remove it from the Inf units, replace it with M2 mgs (numbers open to debate) and bring in as reinforcment 5 CMB's as they were documented to have arrived at the San Francisico Port of Embarkation.
ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior
Oh, by the way I hope you have purged the 4.2" mortars also from the US Inf Units. The 4.2" mortar was a strictly Chemical Warfare Service device and was ised exclusively by Chemical Mortar BN's or which the 1 and 2nd were the first in action during the invasion of Sicily:
CWS Vol2:127
"The 4.2-inch mortar first saw action in the taking of Sicily in the summer of 1943. Mortar squads were among the first waves of troops to hit the beach, and they went into action a few minutes after landing."
I believe these troops were from the 1st or 2nd CMB, they both participated. I have posted on this before in the early sessions of CHS and never got a reply as to why they were still organic to the US Infantry in CHS. The first CMB to enter the Pacific was the 98th CMB which actually was formed from the 641st Tank Destroyer BN in June 1944 in of all places New Guinea.... So according to history none were active before mid-1944 in the Pacific. I replaced them with .50cal MG's
ORIGINAL: Iron Duke
ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior
Oh, by the way I hope you have purged the 4.2" mortars also from the US Inf Units. The 4.2" mortar was a strictly Chemical Warfare Service device and was ised exclusively by Chemical Mortar BN's or which the 1 and 2nd were the first in action during the invasion of Sicily:
CWS Vol2:127
"The 4.2-inch mortar first saw action in the taking of Sicily in the summer of 1943. Mortar squads were among the first waves of troops to hit the beach, and they went into action a few minutes after landing."
I believe these troops were from the 1st or 2nd CMB, they both participated. I have posted on this before in the early sessions of CHS and never got a reply as to why they were still organic to the US Infantry in CHS. The first CMB to enter the Pacific was the 98th CMB which actually was formed from the 641st Tank Destroyer BN in June 1944 in of all places New Guinea.... So according to history none were active before mid-1944 in the Pacific. I replaced them with .50cal MG's
Hi,
try this site
http://www.4point2.org
1st CMB in Pacific ?
82nd CMB
Arrived SFPE 27 Jun 1943, New Caledonia 19 Jul 1943, Guadalcanal 3 Nov 1943, Bougainville 15 Jan 1944, Philippines 9 Jan 1945
You got me on this one.. and to think that I have visited this site many times and looks like I missed one (and the earliest to boot). Thus it does look like the first CMB was avilable in mid 1943 for the Pacific and will be added. However, it is curious that there is not another one for about a year. It also appears that the 82 CMB did not even get into combat until 1944 though, 1 month at New caledonia and 5 months layover, probably for training, on Guadalcanal, then off to war.
ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior
....we also must take into account this increase in the original unit composition. I assign the unit 12 guns to begin with and 4 guns disabled which I think is the best solution giving the nature of static unit composition.
So the Historical Rgt should look like this:
12(4)x3" -> 90mm (03/42)
6(8)x.50 cal
16(16)x.50cal -> 37mm (12/41) or 40mm (6/42)
16(16)x.50cal -> M51 (6/42)
44xSupport
Parenthesis in quantity signifies disabled.
but instead the CHS looks like this:
12x3" -> 90mm 12/41
8x40mm
8x20mm
25xSupport
I did it this way because I am still somewhat uncertain on how all the functions of the database. If there are better ways to do this then by all means do it that way.ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown
ORIGINAL: AlaskanWarrior
....we also must take into account this increase in the original unit composition. I assign the unit 12 guns to begin with and 4 guns disabled which I think is the best solution giving the nature of static unit composition.
Why represent them as disabled, rather than just missing from the unit TO&E (so that they could build up from the pool as they become available)?
So the Historical Rgt should look like this:
12(4)x3" -> 90mm (03/42)
6(8)x.50 cal
16(16)x.50cal -> 37mm (12/41) or 40mm (6/42)
16(16)x.50cal -> M51 (6/42)
44xSupport
Parenthesis in quantity signifies disabled.
but instead the CHS looks like this:
12x3" -> 90mm 12/41
8x40mm
8x20mm
25xSupport
What about "intrinsic" AA in other units? What changes do you recommend for those?
Andrew
What I am undecided on are the makeup of the intrinsic AA for Naval Bases. Any one have any suggestions on this? Most "Naval/Port" bases relied upon the US Army for base protection and US naval personnel for actual base operations. Marine Defense Battalions eventually converted into AA BN's in 1944 and are already represented in the game.
