March of the Penguins: Onime vs. Fabertong
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RE: Never invite a Penguin over
shhhhhhhhhhh....we are still trying to live that one down......
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Onime No Kyo
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Do fill me in. I seem to be a bit deficient in my knowledge of Sandhurst scandals.
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I'll never tell.........
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Does it have anything to do with helping Churchill get into Parliament? [X(]
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He was in Parliament many, many years prior to the Infamous Flipper Affair...
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Please...let's not speak of it.........
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Deal. Lets speak of you moving that Zuiho TF to somewhere in the vicinity of Vladivostok.
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ORIGINAL: fabertong
I would take offense at vile penguin....if it wasn't so true.......
Turn 1 was an unusual affair.....with no ships reported sunk at all...........having said that....this is not a lunacy game....only a PH port attack allowed turn 1.....so Onime....has force Z ,all the Dutch cruisers, all the American subs....the Brit. destroyers at HK to play with..........what mischief can he cause?
PH............did OK but no sinkings........
All right, but which are the most heavily damaged BB's? And is there going to be a second strike?
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You'll have to ask Onime....(and he is away until Friday)..........some BBs took over 6 torp hits and refused to sink.......but this could be FOW..........2nd Strike went in and still failed to report any sinkings...........always the trouble with the Pearl attack.........I've never sunk more than 1 BB and quite often none at all.ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock
ORIGINAL: fabertong
I would take offense at vile penguin....if it wasn't so true.......
Turn 1 was an unusual affair.....with no ships reported sunk at all...........having said that....this is not a lunacy game....only a PH port attack allowed turn 1.....so Onime....has force Z ,all the Dutch cruisers, all the American subs....the Brit. destroyers at HK to play with..........what mischief can he cause?
PH............did OK but no sinkings........
All right, but which are the most heavily damaged BB's? And is there going to be a second strike?
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Hello everyone,
I'm back from vacation and was met by the death and destruction being meted out by Faber. Without further ado, 12/08/41.
LAND COMBAT
Japanese landings took place all over the Pacific.
Ambonia, Lae, Wewak, Wake (for the second time, this time permanently), Brunei, Jolo, Guam (Penguin was scuttled), Miri and Apari fell. None of these really put up any fight. The defenders or Wake tagged the Yubari with one shell, likely causing little or no damage.
Several artillery units and one of engineers crossed onto Hong Kong. The ensuing attack cost the Japanese ~180 men and several guns. The sporadic covering fire caused several casualties on my side.
The Indian defenders of Kuantan fired a harassment bombardment, causing a few observable casualties and a small explosion, presumably of gasoline, on the landing beaches. Unfortunately, lack of direct observation, shortages of ammunition and heavy and accurate counter battery fire cut the attack short.
The Philippine units at San Marcelino also undertook an artillery shoot but were quickly silenced. Results were impossible to judge.
AIR COMBAT
Allied air forces drew Japanese blood for the first time today.
Hudsons from Rabaul hit an enemy AP in Lae harbor with 3 well placed bombs, causing heavy damage. Unfortunately, the target was observed to be riding rather high in the water and is assumed to have been largely empty.
Dutch Martin bombers struck one AP each at Miri and Kuching with one light bomb apiece, while Dutch TBs succeeded in hitting two other APs at Kuching with torpedoes. Torpedo damage was judged to be moderate to serious, while the bomb damage was impossible to judge. Unfortunately, these ships were also empty.
Wirraways from Rabaul engaged a group of Nells attacking from Truk and shot down one and damaged several more of the attackers, but were unable to stop the enemy from bombing the airbase facilities. Damage was light.
Successive attacks by air forces based at Singapore produced disappointing results. The attacking squadrons took moderate losses in return for several near misses.
Japanese air forces again savaged Khota Bharu today, destroying several previously damaged planes on the ground.
Another day of air attacks on Pearl Harbor added insult to injury. Many ships were again hit again with bombs, however, luckily, no torpedoes were launched. I expect Faber to retire the KB west after such a disappointing second strike. This attack also completed the destruction of several damaged aircraft which were left in the open either due to immobility or lack of cover. Thanks to the Herculean efforts of the ground crews, all planes that were left operational after the initial attack were successfully hidden in hardened revetments and escaped damage. Working through the night, the ground crews also managed to repair several of the aircraft damaged in the initial attack.
As I expect Faber to withdraw, this would be a good time to draw some conclusions from Faber's dastardly attack on the Hawaiian base.
The air forces were caught sound asleep. Most ready aircraft were destroyed right on the runways, mostly unmanned. The several that managed to scramble were not present in great numbers and were largely decimated by the Zeros. Several attacking aircraft were shot down but were mostly stragglers and damaged planes, caught alone. Although many of the attackers were seen to depart trailing smoke or with other visible damage, Faber's naval air arm is assumed to be mostly intact at this time.
The damage caused by the attack is severe but not critical. Two battleships are in serious condition and in danger of sinking, but are expected survive. Others are damaged to varying degrees and will require many man-hours of labor to repair. In short, my battle line has been hurt badly and I will be deprived of its use for a long time to come. Because the presence of Japanese carriers makes any sortie for PH dangerous at best at the present time, these ships will have to be tended to using local facilities.
In other theatres...
Japanese air forces have attacked shipping withdrawing from the Philippines. Two fuel-loaded transports were torpedoed outside Manila harbor. At last report the damage to both ships was severe, and while efforts to save the ships continue, neither is expected to survive. A destroyer-seaplane tender was surprised by a strike from a Japanese light carrier (presumed to be the Ryuho) south of the Philippine islands and was struck by 3 torpedoes. No further details are known at this time.
NAVAL ACTIONS
The performance of both American and allied submarine forces has been lackluster so far.
The Pollack made an unsuccessful attempt to penetrate the KB destroyer screen but was spotted and depth charged before she escaped.
The Dutch KXIII was likewise unable to penetrate into the Japanese unloading area off Kuantan and was driven off by concerted attacks by light ASW vessels.
In return, the gunboat Asheville was torpedoed and heavily damaged ~100 miles out of Manila, and a Dutch minesweeper was attacked unsuccessfully.
In the most desperate action of the war so far, the Manila torpedo boat squadron made a suicidally brave daylight attack on Japanese forces operating at San Marcelino. The PTs were met at long range by incredibly accurate fire from 4 Japanese battleships, 4 light cruisers and several destroyers. All boats were destroyed at long range before they were able to approach to fire. While the attack was unsuccessful, the courage and sacrifice of the boat crews will be long remembered by their brothers in uniform.
While I am still trying to consolidate my widely separated forces, no major naval engagements have yet taken place and most of the combat has been left to the air forces. Faber has also carefully chosen to strike at points where my land forces are not strong enough to oppose him. Defensive lines are being hurriedly constructed in Malaya but the forces at Khota Bharu look to have been effectively cut off from their lines of retreat. Faber’s capture of Ambonia will also make withdrawal of forces from the DEI difficult.
I'm back from vacation and was met by the death and destruction being meted out by Faber. Without further ado, 12/08/41.
LAND COMBAT
Japanese landings took place all over the Pacific.
Ambonia, Lae, Wewak, Wake (for the second time, this time permanently), Brunei, Jolo, Guam (Penguin was scuttled), Miri and Apari fell. None of these really put up any fight. The defenders or Wake tagged the Yubari with one shell, likely causing little or no damage.
Several artillery units and one of engineers crossed onto Hong Kong. The ensuing attack cost the Japanese ~180 men and several guns. The sporadic covering fire caused several casualties on my side.
The Indian defenders of Kuantan fired a harassment bombardment, causing a few observable casualties and a small explosion, presumably of gasoline, on the landing beaches. Unfortunately, lack of direct observation, shortages of ammunition and heavy and accurate counter battery fire cut the attack short.
The Philippine units at San Marcelino also undertook an artillery shoot but were quickly silenced. Results were impossible to judge.
AIR COMBAT
Allied air forces drew Japanese blood for the first time today.
Hudsons from Rabaul hit an enemy AP in Lae harbor with 3 well placed bombs, causing heavy damage. Unfortunately, the target was observed to be riding rather high in the water and is assumed to have been largely empty.
Dutch Martin bombers struck one AP each at Miri and Kuching with one light bomb apiece, while Dutch TBs succeeded in hitting two other APs at Kuching with torpedoes. Torpedo damage was judged to be moderate to serious, while the bomb damage was impossible to judge. Unfortunately, these ships were also empty.
Wirraways from Rabaul engaged a group of Nells attacking from Truk and shot down one and damaged several more of the attackers, but were unable to stop the enemy from bombing the airbase facilities. Damage was light.
Successive attacks by air forces based at Singapore produced disappointing results. The attacking squadrons took moderate losses in return for several near misses.
Japanese air forces again savaged Khota Bharu today, destroying several previously damaged planes on the ground.
Another day of air attacks on Pearl Harbor added insult to injury. Many ships were again hit again with bombs, however, luckily, no torpedoes were launched. I expect Faber to retire the KB west after such a disappointing second strike. This attack also completed the destruction of several damaged aircraft which were left in the open either due to immobility or lack of cover. Thanks to the Herculean efforts of the ground crews, all planes that were left operational after the initial attack were successfully hidden in hardened revetments and escaped damage. Working through the night, the ground crews also managed to repair several of the aircraft damaged in the initial attack.
As I expect Faber to withdraw, this would be a good time to draw some conclusions from Faber's dastardly attack on the Hawaiian base.
The air forces were caught sound asleep. Most ready aircraft were destroyed right on the runways, mostly unmanned. The several that managed to scramble were not present in great numbers and were largely decimated by the Zeros. Several attacking aircraft were shot down but were mostly stragglers and damaged planes, caught alone. Although many of the attackers were seen to depart trailing smoke or with other visible damage, Faber's naval air arm is assumed to be mostly intact at this time.
The damage caused by the attack is severe but not critical. Two battleships are in serious condition and in danger of sinking, but are expected survive. Others are damaged to varying degrees and will require many man-hours of labor to repair. In short, my battle line has been hurt badly and I will be deprived of its use for a long time to come. Because the presence of Japanese carriers makes any sortie for PH dangerous at best at the present time, these ships will have to be tended to using local facilities.
In other theatres...
Japanese air forces have attacked shipping withdrawing from the Philippines. Two fuel-loaded transports were torpedoed outside Manila harbor. At last report the damage to both ships was severe, and while efforts to save the ships continue, neither is expected to survive. A destroyer-seaplane tender was surprised by a strike from a Japanese light carrier (presumed to be the Ryuho) south of the Philippine islands and was struck by 3 torpedoes. No further details are known at this time.
NAVAL ACTIONS
The performance of both American and allied submarine forces has been lackluster so far.
The Pollack made an unsuccessful attempt to penetrate the KB destroyer screen but was spotted and depth charged before she escaped.
The Dutch KXIII was likewise unable to penetrate into the Japanese unloading area off Kuantan and was driven off by concerted attacks by light ASW vessels.
In return, the gunboat Asheville was torpedoed and heavily damaged ~100 miles out of Manila, and a Dutch minesweeper was attacked unsuccessfully.
In the most desperate action of the war so far, the Manila torpedo boat squadron made a suicidally brave daylight attack on Japanese forces operating at San Marcelino. The PTs were met at long range by incredibly accurate fire from 4 Japanese battleships, 4 light cruisers and several destroyers. All boats were destroyed at long range before they were able to approach to fire. While the attack was unsuccessful, the courage and sacrifice of the boat crews will be long remembered by their brothers in uniform.
While I am still trying to consolidate my widely separated forces, no major naval engagements have yet taken place and most of the combat has been left to the air forces. Faber has also carefully chosen to strike at points where my land forces are not strong enough to oppose him. Defensive lines are being hurriedly constructed in Malaya but the forces at Khota Bharu look to have been effectively cut off from their lines of retreat. Faber’s capture of Ambonia will also make withdrawal of forces from the DEI difficult.
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A quick update. Faber and I seem to have developed a bit of a sync problem. It had reared its ugly head from turn 1 when the replay showed Wake fall but the ops file did not. As a result, I missed out on a few things. Seems that my valiant Manila Pts did not die in vain. One DD is confirmed destroyed and Faber says that another was hit and I am presuming it to be in fairly messed up shape. I also missed the sinking of the HMS Thracian, apparently by air out of Formosa. After checking the latest CR Faber sent me, I did not find any discrepancies, so, here's hoping that the problem resolved itself.
In the last 3 turns....
LAND COMBAT
In the last few days Faber has captured Kendari and Kuantan as well as moving in from the north of Burma to capture Alor Setar, which had been evacuated.
These developments have created very serious situations in both the DEI and Burma. In the former, Faber now controls all routes from the PI including the ocean ward side where he has stationed a CVL. Shipping is still moving out of the PI, but it looks as if any ship that has not yet gotten as far as (at least) Tarakan will be a loss.
In Burma, it looks as if the forces at Khota Bharu are now decisively cut off. I tried to get them moving as early as turn 2, but they were just not fast enough. I am left wondering if the presence of two more brigades would have held off Faber’s capture of Kuantan for any length of time.
AIR COMBAT
Without boring you all with details, suffice it to say that air combat is grinding on. As I expected, Faber withdrew the KB, so no more news from that quarter. In China, my attempts to “blood” the Chinese fighter units are being taken a bit too seriously. The few planes that attempt to engage Faber’s raids are decisively decimated by Nates every time. On the other hand, the first attack by Chinese bombers has taken place….for absolutely no result.
With his bombers based at Jolo, Ambonia and now Kendari, he basically controls all the ins and out of the DEI. In the last few turns he’s been sniping at shipping coming out of the PI. Luckily, he has not struck anything major aside from DD Pilsbury, which, if she survives to get to a shipyard, will be out of the war for months.
Predicatble air activity is continuing over Burma and the PI. P-40s out of Clark attempted to intercept a raid and got smacked around by a much larger gaggle of Zeros. I am seriously questioning their continuing presence in the PI. One attempted raid on Singers was met by a surprisingly small number of Buffs and Wirraways. I’ll have to look into that, because a few days ago, my bombing raids were being escorted by 20+ Buffs. The Dutch are doing a bang-up job as usual. They have combined to cause what I assume to be serious damage to no less than half a dozen of Faber’s transports. Most recently, they struck a troop-loaded TF, hitting 2 APs, with Blens from Singers tagging another one. This will not sink them but at least Faber knows he’s been kissed.
NAVAL COMBAT
Naval engagements have been rather few.
The USS Shark missed the Zuiho with two torpedoes last turn. No duds, just a clean miss. I guess a Japanese CVL is smaller than the side of a barn after all. Who knew?
To set an example for the cross-eyed Americans, the KXI planted one square in the side of an AP but suffered the ultimate price afterwards for having attacked in daylight in shallow water.
I understand that all this has been seen before dozens of times as the opening phases tend not to vary much. Hopefully, I’ll be able to entertain you folks a little better once I get my forces consolidated and some reinforcements in.
In the last 3 turns....
LAND COMBAT
In the last few days Faber has captured Kendari and Kuantan as well as moving in from the north of Burma to capture Alor Setar, which had been evacuated.
These developments have created very serious situations in both the DEI and Burma. In the former, Faber now controls all routes from the PI including the ocean ward side where he has stationed a CVL. Shipping is still moving out of the PI, but it looks as if any ship that has not yet gotten as far as (at least) Tarakan will be a loss.
In Burma, it looks as if the forces at Khota Bharu are now decisively cut off. I tried to get them moving as early as turn 2, but they were just not fast enough. I am left wondering if the presence of two more brigades would have held off Faber’s capture of Kuantan for any length of time.
AIR COMBAT
Without boring you all with details, suffice it to say that air combat is grinding on. As I expected, Faber withdrew the KB, so no more news from that quarter. In China, my attempts to “blood” the Chinese fighter units are being taken a bit too seriously. The few planes that attempt to engage Faber’s raids are decisively decimated by Nates every time. On the other hand, the first attack by Chinese bombers has taken place….for absolutely no result.
With his bombers based at Jolo, Ambonia and now Kendari, he basically controls all the ins and out of the DEI. In the last few turns he’s been sniping at shipping coming out of the PI. Luckily, he has not struck anything major aside from DD Pilsbury, which, if she survives to get to a shipyard, will be out of the war for months.
Predicatble air activity is continuing over Burma and the PI. P-40s out of Clark attempted to intercept a raid and got smacked around by a much larger gaggle of Zeros. I am seriously questioning their continuing presence in the PI. One attempted raid on Singers was met by a surprisingly small number of Buffs and Wirraways. I’ll have to look into that, because a few days ago, my bombing raids were being escorted by 20+ Buffs. The Dutch are doing a bang-up job as usual. They have combined to cause what I assume to be serious damage to no less than half a dozen of Faber’s transports. Most recently, they struck a troop-loaded TF, hitting 2 APs, with Blens from Singers tagging another one. This will not sink them but at least Faber knows he’s been kissed.
NAVAL COMBAT
Naval engagements have been rather few.
The USS Shark missed the Zuiho with two torpedoes last turn. No duds, just a clean miss. I guess a Japanese CVL is smaller than the side of a barn after all. Who knew?
To set an example for the cross-eyed Americans, the KXI planted one square in the side of an AP but suffered the ultimate price afterwards for having attacked in daylight in shallow water.
I understand that all this has been seen before dozens of times as the opening phases tend not to vary much. Hopefully, I’ll be able to entertain you folks a little better once I get my forces consolidated and some reinforcements in.
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We need an update!!!! [:'(]
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I'm trying to produce a map of the Force Z action but I just remembered that I cant draw worth a damn. Help me Mandrake. [&o]
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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo
I'm trying to produce a map of the Force Z action but I just remembered that I cant draw worth a damn. Help me Mandrake. [&o]
What kind of map you aiming for - a tactical map like Mandrake draws for some surface actions, or modifications to a screen-shot?
If the later - use MS-Paint or similar - it will draw lines for you (both curved and straight) and you can put in text labelling (use white, yellow - avoid red).
Use CTRL-Z (undo) a lot after you put something in that doesn't look good.
If you are doing a tactical map, you have to download a map of the appropriate area from the web - or scan it. Then use MS-PAINT or whatever to draw in the movements.
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The USS Shark missed the Zuiho with two torpedoes last turn. No duds, just a clean miss. I guess a Japanese CVL is smaller than the side of a barn after all. Who knew?
Did it say "Torpedoes Miss" or not give a message? There are 4 results when attacking - hit (good luck with that with a fleet boat!!), miss, dud, or nothing mentioned. i **think** the last is the torpedoes running too deep under the target, but nothing has been mentioned about this by other folks AFAIK...
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Run too deep? Never seen that...[&:]
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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
The USS Shark missed the Zuiho with two torpedoes last turn. No duds, just a clean miss. I guess a Japanese CVL is smaller than the side of a barn after all. Who knew?
Did it say "Torpedoes Miss" or not give a message? There are 4 results when attacking - hit (good luck with that with a fleet boat!!), miss, dud, or nothing mentioned. i **think** the last is the torpedoes running too deep under the target, but nothing has been mentioned about this by other folks AFAIK...
Maybe "miss" means that the sub missed (failed their roll) and "nothing mentioned" means the target managed to evade?
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What I mean by miss was that it sayd "Shark fires 2xtorps" and then it says nothing.
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Happens all the time; no idea what it's supposed to mean, though...
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OK. Since I cant draw worth a damn, I'll try this this analog way.
EDIT: OK, nevermind. Damn text formatting. [:@]
EDIT: OK, nevermind. Damn text formatting. [:@]
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