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I want to know where it formed - and what were its (2?) arty regiments - and what was its AA/AT regiment?

Also - 75 Brigade does not make the list of units by K - neither does another Brigade - did he omit Pakistani units?

Sid,

Its OOB at 1/1/42 isnt consistant throughout the war, at 1/1/42 I've got it with 2 Bdes, one of which is listed with another Division!!
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Thanks. I found 75th - but not the other one. May add it one day. Not today.
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Where were MG battalions? Brigade? Division? Corps? All of the above? And were these regulation units with 16 guns in 4 companies?
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Sid, I think the answer (SEAC area) is at Division/Corps level.
 
Some Divs had MG Bns, clearly identified.
 
Some didnt, but may have as they aren't clearly identified.
 
Some MG Bns are at Corps level.
 
In SW Pac, the Aussie MG Bns were at Corps level, but had nearly permanent attachment to Divs.
 
Isnt working with the Commonwealth fun, [:D] not simple like the US Forces where they kept (mostly) the same OOB and just moved the men.[;)]
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The N-W Frontier forces at 1/1/1942
 
[font="times new roman"]Bannu Bde                   4 Jammu & Kashmir, 5/15 Punjab, 6/6 Rajputana Rifles, 6/8 Punjab, 7 Jammu & Kashmir, 7/1 Punjab[/font]
[font="times new roman"][/font] 
[font="times new roman"]Frontier Reserve Bde    from 3 Indian Bde 15/8/43 as above[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Gardai Bde                   Formed 15/10/44 from 75 Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"][/font] 
[font="times new roman"]Khojak Bde                 disbanded 15/5/44 3/4 Gurkha Rifles, 6/7 Rajput, 7/19 Hyderabad,8 Medium Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Kohat Bde                   1/16 Punjab, 7/13 Frontier Force Rifles, Bairab Nath Rgt, 21 Mtn Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Landi Kotal Bde           3/6 Gurkha Rifles, 5/10 Baluch, 6/11 Sikh, 6/19 Hyderabad, 7/12 Frontier Force, 8/11 Sikh, 8/8 Punjab[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Noshera Bde                1 Lincolnshire, 7/14 Punjab, Purnao Gorakh Rgt, [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Peshawar Bde              2 Duke of Wellingtons Rgt, 2/2 Punjab, 4/15 Punjab, 6/18 Royal Garwhal Rifles, 26 Mtn Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Quetta Bde                   ??? At 3/9/39 it had 1 Lancashire Fusiliers, 1/10 & 2/10 Gurkha Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Razmak Bde                 1 Queens Royal Rgt, 1 Warwickshire Rgt, 1/10 Gurkha Rifles, 2 Kings Own Scots Borderers, 3/1 Punjab, 4/17 Dogra, 6/5 Mahratta, 7/11 Sikh, 20 Mtn Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Thal Bde                      2 Patiala, 6/10 Baluch, 6/17 Dogra, Shamsheer Dal Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Wana Bde                    2/13 Frontier Force Rifles, 3/6 Rajputana Rifles, 4/14 Punjab, 6/12 Frontier Force Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Zhob Bde                     3/2 Gurkha Rifles,6/2 Punjab, 8/1 Punjab, Shri Nath Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"][/font] 
[font="times new roman"]The Mountain Rgts were Indian Artillery[/font]
[font="times new roman"]I believe the units with a name only were Indian States Forces.[/font]
 
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I have the Div & Bde structure at 1/1/42 as well, I'll get that in tonight
(It has some Artillery data, but I doubt its completeness)
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I believe the units with a name only were Indian States Forces.

No, the name-only regiments in your list are Nepalese.
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Thanks K,
 
I was going to look them up tonight.
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Divisions at 1/1/42
 
I would rate this at 80%, lots missing and the best info is for Units in the Middle East
 
[font="times new roman"]British & Indian Army [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]As at 1/1/42[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]31st Indian Armoured Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]251 Arm Bde               3 Motor Bde                31 Support Group        19 King Edward V Own Lancers[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]32nd Indian Armoured Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]254 Arm Bde               255 Arm Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Calcutta Fortress[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Became 26 Indian Infantry Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]4th Indian Infantry Divission[/font]
[font="times new roman"]5 ,7 11 Inf Bdes           21st King George V Own Hussars         1,25,31 Fd Rgts[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]5th Indian Infantry Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]9 ,10 , 161 Inf Bdes     Skinners Horse 4 Fd Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]6th Indian Infantry Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]24 ,26 ,27 Inf Bdes      17th Queen Victorias Own Cavalry       2/10 Gurkha Rifles, 159 Fd Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]8th Indian Infantry Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]17 , 18 ,19 Inf Bdes     6th Duke of Cornwalls Own Lancers     1/5 Essex, 11, 32 & 121 Fd Rgt, 1 AT Rgt IA[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]9th Indian Infantry Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]8 & 22 Bdes.  5 & 88 Fd Rgts[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]10th Indian Infantry Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]252 Arm Bde, 20, 21 & 25 Inf Bdes, 10th Queen Victorias Frontier Force Cavalry, 3,97 & 157 Fd Rgts[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]11th Indian Infantry Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]6 & 15 Inf Bdes           3 Cav Rgt,  55 & 137 Fd Rgts,  80 AT Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]14th Indian Infantry Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]23, 36, 37 & 63 Inf Bdes[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]17th Indian Infantry Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]45 & 46 Inf Bdes[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]19th Indian Infantry Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]47, 48 & 49 Inf Bdes[/font]
[font="times new roman"]23rd Indian Infantry Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]63 & 98? Inf Bdes[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]34th Indian Infantry Division[/font]
[font="times new roman"]98, 99 & 100 Inf Bdes[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
 
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The Brigades at 1/1/42
 
Very much a work in progress
 
[font="times new roman"]1 (Abbotabad) Inf Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Nepalese Rifle Rgt, 1 Patiala Rgt, 1/6 Gurkha Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]became the Rawalpindi Bde Area 1/10/40[/font]
[font="times new roman"]3 (Jhelum) Inf Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]4/3 Gurkha Rifles, 9/10 Baluch[/font]
[font="times new roman"]4 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Jammu & Kashmir, 3/9 Gurkha Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"]5 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1/6 Rajputana Rifles, 3/1 Punjab, 4/6 Rajputana Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"]6 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2/16 Punjab,  2 east Surry, 22 Mtn Gun Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]7 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1 Royal Sussex, 4/11 Sikh, 4/16 Punjab[/font]
[font="times new roman"]8 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]3/17 Dogras,  2/10 Baluchistan, 1/12 Frontier Force Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"]9 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 West Yorkshire, 3/2 Frontier Force Rgt, 3/5 Mahratta, 28 Fd Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]10 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Highland Light Inf, 3/18 Royal Garwal Rifles, 4/10 Baluch[/font]
[font="times new roman"]11 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Queens Own Cameron Highlanders, 2/5 Mahratta Lt Inf[/font]
[font="times new roman"]12 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 4/19 Hyderabad, 5/2 Punjab, 122 Fd Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]13 Infantry Bde  became 113 Infantry Bde 20/6/42[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1/18 Royal Garwal Rifles, 2/7 Rajput, 5/1 Punjab[/font]
[font="times new roman"]15 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1 Leicesters, 2/9 Jat, 1/14 Punjab, 3/16 Punjab[/font]
[font="times new roman"]16 Infantry Bde  became 116 Infantry Bde 25/9/42[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1/9 Jat[/font]
[font="times new roman"]18 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2/5 Essex[/font]
[font="times new roman"]22 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2/18 Garwal Rifles, 5/11 Sikh, 2/12 Frontier Force Rifles 88 Fd Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]28 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2/1 Gurkha Rifles, 2/2 Gurkha Rifles, 2/9 Gurkha Rifles,  135 Fd Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]44 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]6/1 Punjab, 7/8 Punjab, 6/4 Punjab[/font]
[font="times new roman"]45 Infantry Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]4/9 Jat, 7/6 Rajputana, 5/18 Garwal[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]50 Para Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]151 British Bn, 152 Indian Bn, 153 Gurkha Bn[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]3 Motor Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Royal Lancers, 11 Frontier Force, 18 King Edward VII Own Cavalry, 5/13 Frontier Force Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
 
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Plus there were the following "Brigade Areas"
 
Allahabad, Ambala, Delhi, Eastern Bengal, Ferozepore, Jullundur, Lahore, Mhow, Poona, Rawalpindi, Sialkot, Sind & Risalpur Training and a Bombay Fortress.
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Tell me about the 15/ 16 and 77th Chindit Brigades. Are these Indian Army or British Army? When were they operational? Did they exist at all? [They are not on your list or K's list] Is the organization of these and 111 Chindit the same? Is it different from other Indian Army brigades - as shown?
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Tell me about the 15/ 16 and 77th Chindit Brigades. Are these Indian Army or British Army? When were they operational? Did they exist at all? [They are not on your list or K's list] Is the organization of these and 111 Chindit the same? Is it different from other Indian Army brigades - as shown?

77th and 111th Brigades are on my list[8D]. They belonged to the Indian Army but had only British and Gurkha battalions (and African and Burmese battalions for a short time) under command (first time I noticed this, strange!). They were the "real" Chindits, that is, they were purposedly formed as LRP Brigades and not converted from existing brigades like their British and West African counterparts. Both operated in Burma (77th from January 1943, 111th from January 1944). Organization was completely different from "ordinary" brigades, much lighter and air-mobile (including the use of gliders).
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The Chindit Bdes were 14, 16 & 23 British, late of 70 Div, previously 6 Div
 
77 & 111 Indian Bdes
 
3 West African Bde
 
I have the OOB, but last night I had their TOE and didnt bother to write it down!!
 
They were organised in "Columns", each Bn providing 2 columns eg. 4/9 Gurkha Rifles provided 49 Column & 94 Column.
 
In Operation Thursday, 14 Bde walked into Burma, 16, 23, 77 & 111 Bdes flew in and 23 Bde was kept by Slim and used as flank troops at Kohima.
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Tell me about the 15/ 16 and 77th Chindit Brigades. Are these Indian Army or British Army? When were they operational? Did they exist at all? [They are not on your list or K's list] Is the organization of these and 111 Chindit the same? Is it different from other Indian Army brigades - as shown?

77th and 111th Brigades are on my list[8D]. They belonged to the Indian Army but had only British and Gurkha battalions (and African and Burmese battalions for a short time) under command (first time I noticed this, strange!). They were the "real" Chindits, that is, they were purposedly formed as LRP Brigades and not converted from existing brigades like their British and West African counterparts. Both operated in Burma (77th from January 1943, 111th from January 1944). Organization was completely different from "ordinary" brigades, much lighter and air-mobile (including the use of gliders).

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[font="times new roman"]A little error, 16 Bde walked in and 14Bde flew.[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"][/font][/b] 
[font="times new roman"]3rd Indian Infantry Division (Special Force)[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]Maj Gen Orde Wingate[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]14 British Infantry (L.R.P) Bde    (Brig. Brodie)[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]1 Bedfordshire & Hertfordshire Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]7 Leicestershire Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Black Watch[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 York & Lancaster [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]16 British Infantry (L.R.P) Bde       (Brig Fergusson)[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]51/69 Field Rgt RA (as infantry)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Queens Royal Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Leicestershire Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]45 Reconnaissance Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]77 Indian Infantry Bde (“The Chinthe”)  (Brig. Calvert)[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]1 Kings (Liverpool) Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1 Lancashire Fusiliers[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1 South Staffordshire Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]3/6 Gurkha Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"]3/9 Gurkha Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"]4/9 Gurkha Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1 column of ¾ Gurkha Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]111 Indian Infantry Brigade (“The Panthers”)  (Brig. Letaingne)[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]1 Cameronians[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Kings Own Royal Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1 column of ¾ Gurkha Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]3 West African Infantry Bde (Brig Gillmore)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]6 Nigeria Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]7 Nigeria Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]12 Nigeria Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
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14th Army Jan-July 1944 which covers 2nd Akyab & Imphal/Kohima battles
 
[font="times new roman"]14 ARMY ([/b]BURMA[/b])[/b][/font]
[font="times new roman"]Jan – July 1944[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]XV CORPS[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]Corps Armour Group[/font]
[font="times new roman"]25 Dragoon Gds, 1 coy 3/4 Bombay Grenadiers, 81 West Afr. Recce Rgt, 3 Gwalior Lancers ISF (less horsed wing)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Corps Artillery[/font]
[font="times new roman"]6 Med, 8 HAA, 5 LAA Rgts 5 Mahratta AT Rgt IA[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Corps Infantry[/font]
[font="times new roman"]12 Frontier Force Rgt MG Bn, 79 Indian Infantry Company[/font]
[font="times new roman"]3 SS Bde   5 Cdo, 44 RM Cdo[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]5 INDIAN DIVISION[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]4 Fd Rgt, 28 Jungle Rgt IA, 56 LAA/AT Rgt, 24 Indian Mtn Rgt IA[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Div HQ Bn       3/2 Punjab[/font]
[font="times new roman"]9 BDE                2 West Yorkshire, 3/9 Jats, 3/14 Punjab[/font]
[font="times new roman"]123 BDE            2 Suffolks, 2/1 Punjab, 1/17 Dogra[/font]
[font="times new roman"]161 BDE            4 QORWK, 1/1 Punjab, 4/7 Rajput[/font]
[font="times new roman"]7 INDIAN DIVISON[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]136 Fd Rgt, 139 Jungle Rgt IA., 24 LAA/AA Rgt, 25 Indian Mtn Rgt IA[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Div HQ Bn           1/11 Sikh (swapped with 7/2 Punjab 89 Bde later)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Horsed wing, 3 Gwalior Lancers ISF[/font]
[font="times new roman"]33 BDE                   1 QRR, 4/15 Punjab, 4/1 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"]89 BDE                   2 KOSB, 7/2 Punjab, 4/8 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"]114 BDE                 1 SLI, 4/14 Punjab, 4/5 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"]25 INDIAN DIVISION[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]8 Fd Rgt, 27 Jungle Rgt IA, 5 Fd Rgt IA, 7 LAA/AT Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Div HQ Bn  8/19 Hyderabad[/font]
[font="times new roman"]51 BDE                   8 Y & L, 17/5 Mahratta Lt Inf, 16/10 Baluch[/font]
[font="times new roman"]53 BDE                   9 Y & L, 2/2 Punjab, 4/18 Royal Garwal Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"]74 BDE                   6 OBLI, 14/10 Baluch, 3/2 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"]26 INDIAN DIVISION[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]160 Jungle Rgt IA, 30 Mtn Rgt IA, 7 Fd Rgt IA, 1 LAA/AT Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Div HQ Bn             5/9 Jat[/font]
[font="times new roman"]4 BDE                     1 Wiltshire, 2/13 Frontier Force, 2/7 Rajputana[/font]
[font="times new roman"]36 BDE                   8/13 Frontier Force, 5/16 Punjab,  1/8 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"]71 BDE                   1 Lincolns, 5/1 Punjabs, 1/18 Royal Garwal Rifles[/font]
[font="times new roman"]36 BRITISH/INDIAN DIVISION[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]C Sqn 149 RAC[/font]
[font="times new roman"]130 Fd Rgt, 178 Fd Rgt 122 LAA/AT Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Div HQ Bn             1 coy, 2 Manchester Rgt (MG)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]29 BDE                   1 Royal Scots Fusiliers, 2 Royal Welch Fusiliers, 2 East Lancs. 2 South Lancs.[/font]
[font="times new roman"]72 BDE                   2 South Wales Borderers, 10 Gloucestershire, 9 Royal Sussex[/font]
[font="times new roman"]81 WEST AFRICAN DIVISION[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1 WA LAA/AT Rgt, 3,4 & 6 WA Lt Batteries[/font]
[font="times new roman"]11 East African Scout Bn[/font]
[font="times new roman"]5 WA BDE            5 Gold Coast, 7 Gold Coast, 8 Gold Coast[/font]
[font="times new roman"]6 WA BDE            4 Nigerian, 1 Gambia, 1 Sierra Leone[/font]
[font="times new roman"]404 Lines of Communications Area[/font]
[font="times new roman"]13 AA Bde[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1 Bihar Rgt, 7/16 Punjab, 2 Baroda ISF, 1 Tripura ISF[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]IV CORPS[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]CORPS TROOPS[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]9 Jat MG Bn,15/11 Sikh, Chin Bn (Burmese), 3 Assam Rifles, 4 Assam Rifles, Kalibahadur(Nepal)Rgt,1 coy  Gwalior Infantry ISF[/font]
[font="times new roman"]8 Med Rgt, 67 HAA RGt, 28 LAA Rgt, 78 LAA Rgt, 16 Punjab AT Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]17 INDIAN Light DIV[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]21 Mtn Rgt IA, 29 Mtn Rgt IA, 129 Lt Fd Rgt , 82 LAA/AT Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Div Support Bn    1 West Yorkshire[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Div HQ Bn             4/12 Frontier Force Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Div Recce Bn        7/10 Baluch[/font]
[font="times new roman"]48 BDE                   9 Border, 2/5 Gurkha, 1/7 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"]63 BDE                   1/3 Gurkha, ¼ Gurkha, 1/10 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"]20 INDIAN DIV[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]9 Fd Rgt, 114 Jungle Rgt IA, 23 Mtn Rgt IA, 55 LAA/AT Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Div HQ Bn             4/3 Madras Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]32 BDE                   1 Northamptons, 9/14 Punjab, 3/8 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"]80 BDE                   1 Devons, 9/12 Frontier Force, 3/1 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"]100 BDE                 2 Border, 14/13 Frontier Force, 4/10 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"]23 INDIAN DIV[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]158 Jungle Rgt IA, 3 Fd Rgt IA, 28 Mtn Rgt IA, 2 LAA/AT Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Div HQ Bn             2/19 Hyderabad[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1 BDE                     1 Seaforth, 1/16 Punjab, 1 Patiala Inf[/font]
[font="times new roman"]37 BDE                   3/3 Gurkha, 3/5 Gurkha, 3/10 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"]49 BDE                   4/5 Mahratta Lt Inf, 6/5 Mahratta Lt Inf, 5/6 Rajputana[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]50 PARA BDE[/b]     152 Indian Para Bn, 153 Gurkha Para Bn[/font]
[font="times new roman"]254 TANK BDE   [/b]3 Carabineers, 7 Cavalry, C Sqn 150 RAC, 1 Coy ¾ Bombay Grenadiers[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]XXXIII CORPS[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]CORPS TROOPS[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]149 RAC (-1 Sqn), det 150 RAC, 11 Cav (Arm Car) Rgt,  45 Cavalry (Lt Tanks)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1 Burma, 1 Chamar, 1 Assam Rgt, Shere(Nepal) Bn, Malindra Dal Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]1 Med Rgt, 50 LAA/AT Rgt, 24 Mtn Rgt IA[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 BRITISH INF DIV[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]10 Fd Rgt, 16 Fd Rgt, 99 Fd Rgt, 100 LAA/AT Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Recce Bn[/font]
[font="times new roman"]2 Manchester Rgt (MG) less 1 coy[/font]
[font="times new roman"]4 BDE                     1 Royal Scots, 2 Royal Norfolk, 1/8 East Lanc Fusiliers[/font]
[font="times new roman"]5 BDE                     7 Worcestershire Rgt, 2 Dorsets, 1 QO Cameron Highlanders[/font]
[font="times new roman"]6 BDE                     1 Royal Welch Fusiliers, 1 Royal Berkshire, 2 Durham Lt Inf[/font]
[font="times new roman"]10, 16 & 99 Fd Rgts, 100 LAA/AT Rgt, 2 Recce rgt, 2 Manchester Rgt(MG)[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]268 BDE[/b]                2/4 Bombay Grenadiers, 5/4 Bombay Grenadiers, 17/7 Rajputana[/font]
[font="times new roman"]LUSHAI[/b]                 1 Royal Bn, Jat Rgt, 8/13 Frontier Force, 7/14 Punjab, 1 Bihar[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]CHINDIT FORCE (3 INDIAN INF DIVISION)[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]3 WA BDE            6 Nigerian, 7 Nigerian, 12 Nigerian[/font]
[font="times new roman"]14 BDE                   1 Bedforshire & Hertfordshire, 7 Leicestershire, 2 Black Watch, 2 York & Lancs[/font]
[font="times new roman"]16 BDE                   2 Queens R R, 2 Leicestershire,  45 Recce Rgt[/font]
[font="times new roman"]23 BDE                   2 Duke of Wellingtons, 4 Border , 1 Essex[/font]
[font="times new roman"]77 BDE                   1 Kings, 1 Lancashire Fusiliers, 1 Sth Staffords, 3/6 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"]111 BDE                 2 Kings Own, 1 Camerons, ¾ Gurkha, 4/9 Gurkha[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
 
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Are there any BRITISH divisions at all? I don't see any.
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The closest I could get to an OOB and the beginning of the war was 21-4-42, but it doesnt include any NW Frontier or Western Forces
 
[font="times new roman"]INDIAN ARMY [/b]21/4/1942[/b][/b][/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]EASTERN ARMY                ([/b]Ranchi[/b])[/b][/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]Assam[/b] Division (Jorhat)[/b][/font]
[font="times new roman"]1 Indian Bde[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]9 AA Bde[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]XV Corps              (Barrackpore)[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]14 Indian Div        (Comilla)               47 Indian Bde,      49 Indian Bde plus garrisons at [/b]Dacca[/b] & [/b]Chittagong[/b][/b][/font]
[font="times new roman"]26 Indian Div        ([/b]Calcutta[/b])              4 Indian Bde         71 Indian Bde       109 Indian Bde                     [/b][/font]
[font="times new roman"]                                                                36 Indian Bde (Karagpur)  1 AA Bde[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]IV Corps                ([/b]Ranchi[/b])[/b][/font]
[font="times new roman"]70 British Div                                      14 British Bde     23 British Bde[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]23 Indian Div                                        37 Indian Bde       123 Indian Bde[/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"] [/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]SOUTHERN ARMY            ([/b]Bangalore[/b])[/b][/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font][/b]
[font="times new roman"]19 Indian Div        ([/b]Madras[/b])                62 Indian Bde,      64 Indian Bde,      98 Indian Bde[/b][/font]
[font="times new roman"]20 Indian Div        ([/b]Bangalore[/b])          32 Indian Bde,      51 Indian Bde,      53 Indian Bde[/b][/font]
[font="times new roman"]50 Indian Army Tank Bde                ([/b]Poona[/b])[/b][/font]
[font="times new roman"]251 Indian Armd Bde                         Moving to Secunderband[/font][/b]
 
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ORIGINAL: el cid again

Are there any BRITISH divisions at all? I don't see any.

2nd British Division functioned as a division most of the time. 18th British Division as well, but surrendered at Singapore (but one brigade of 18th Division arrived at Singapore before the rest of the division).

5th British Division was in India between May 1942 and August 1942 (and no, I've not confused it with 5th Indian Division, which was still in the MTO then) [parts of 5th British Division participated in the Madagascar operation]. It moved to Iraq in September 1942, probably as a result of the German Stalingrad/Caucasus opertion. Still missing a history of this division that explains its movements.

70th British Division was broken up, its brigades used to form the three British "Chindit" Brigades.

36th British Division was originally a Indian Army Division but not employed as a division before 1944 (its composition changed alot before 1944 and it was formed from existing assets).
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