Why do bombs cause huge floatation damage in WitP?

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RE: Why do bombs cause huge floatation damage in WitP?

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This begs the question then, how should ships in WitP be sunk?
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I just had an AK take 6 bombs from medium bombers, and still remain afloat.

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This begs the question then, how should ships in WitP be sunk?


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This begs the question then, how should ships in WitP be sunk?
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Sheeesh! [8|] Let me elaborate. If the Float damage system is altered, such that bombs don't sink ships. Then what happens when your ship is at 99 sys damge and zero float damage. The player just sails them back to port and repairs them.
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RE: Why do bombs cause huge floatation damage in WitP?

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Well actually to the best of my knowledge the bombs on Franklin did not cause any floatation damage, it was only the fire fighting water and as such it was an absolutely controlled flooding, albeit very high in the ships (in the hangar).

The first bomb exploded in the hangar deck but the second penetrated much further into the ship before exploding. Most of the water used to fight the hangar deck fires flowed over the side of the ship. The second hit required that water be poured directly into the ship below the hangar deck.

A list of 13 degrees is not controlled flooding. They were pouring so much water into the ship that list-reducing efforts were ineffective. It wasn't until they had the fires out that they could turn to dewatering the spaces. In the meantime, the USS Pittsburgh took her under tow as they were only 50 miles off the Japanese coast.

Personally, I figure flooding is flooding whether caused directly by the bomb or indirectly due to fire fighting efforts as a result of the bomb hit. And when a ship as large as an aircraft carrier lists 13 degrees, that's one helluva lot of water where it shouldn't be.


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Well, for that matter - torps are also. One torpedo is generally not going to put down a transport, whereas it generally was quickly fatal IRL (at least in the first part of the war, before the Allies started shock-mounting equipment.) Similarly, we will see CAs getting away with 3 torp hits - unheard of in WW2 for CAs. AFAIK, all (but maybe 2 ships) at sea never made it back to port after being hit by more than 2 (working) torps.

Admittedly, ships often did not sink after 3 torps, but couldn't get back to port because they couldn't be towed that fast (back to towing speeds again.) Follow-up attacks would generally sink the cripple before it could get out of danger.

I'm not sure about bombs, but at some point in the war, the US started using a more powerful explosive in their torpedoes. It gave them about twice the explosive power. I can't think of a way to model this in the game.

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I agree with wdolson. US torpedoes should have their effect halved until late in war.

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Not halved. but doubled later on.[;)]
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I agree with wdolson. US torpedoes should have their effect halved until late in war.

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I just looked in the editor. The US has one set of torpedoes throughout the war. They have dud rates of 50%, 80%, and 60%. They don't upgrade to anything. The dud problem was partially fixed late in 42 and completely fixed in 1943.

The new explosive was torpex and it appears to only have been used on submarine torpedoes. It was introduced in late 1942. It had 50% more eplosive power than standard TNT. In game terms, the US subs should get a new torpedo starting in early 1943 that has much more eplosive power and a lower dud rate. The dud rate on other US torpedoes should go down to the 10% other torpedoes have around this time.

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I was wondering if the IJN had any large fleet tugs like the USN and started poking around on the web (without much success).
 
Came across one fairly small (~50 shorter than a USN ATF) tug at the following site:
 
http://www.seawolfproductions.com/Shipwreck%20Museum/Truk%20Lagoon/index.html
 
Although the tug info was not really what I was looking for there are a lot of neat photos (then and now), drawings and descriptions of the carrier raids on Truk in early 1944 for anyone that's interested.
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I do notice on spence's website that most transports where sunk by a SINGLE aerial torpedo......
 
Try this in WITP, almost all transports will live when hit in port by a single torp, heck, even at SEA most survive a single hit.... 
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I do notice on spence's website that most transports where sunk by a SINGLE aerial torpedo......

Try this in WITP, almost all transports will live when hit in port by a single torp, heck, even at SEA most survive a single hit....

Heck the Gneisenau was almost sunk by a single torpedo hit in port. Only a massive effort on the part of every support ship in port saved her. A single Beaufort scored a torpedo hit on the stern while she was out of dry dck for a short period.

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Just how many bombs does it take to sink (whatever)...

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 Akagi			CV	2x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 				16x Bomb, 2x Torp	05-27-42
 Hiryu			CV	12x Bomb		05-28-42	Sunk
 				29x Bomb, 2x Shell	05-27-42
 				1x Bomb			01-28-42
 Kaga			CV	1x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 				8x Bomb, 1x Shell	05-27-42
 Soryu			CV	10x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 				5x Bomb			05-27-42
 				1x Bomb			03-28-42
 				1x Bomb			01-28-42
 Shokaku			CV	1x Torp			05-29-42	Sunk
 				7x Shell		05-28-42
 				4x Bomb, 1x Torp, 2x Shell05-27-42
 Zuikaku			CV	1x Torp, 2x Bomb	05-29-42	Sunk
 				5x Shell		05-28-42
 				2x Bomb, 1x Torp	05-27-42
 
 
 
 
 Zuiho			CVL	1x Bomb			05-03-42
 
 
 
 
 Chitose			CS	10x Bomb		05-30-42	Sunk
 				1x Torp			05-27-42
 
 
 
 
 Kimikawa Maru		AV	7x Bomb			05-30-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-29-42
 Kiyokawa Maru		AV	9x Bomb			03-25-42	Sunk
 Sanuki Maru		AV	7x Shell		04-09-42	Sunk
 Sanyo Maru		AV	8x Shell		04-11-42	Sunk
 
 
 
 
 Fuso			BB	4x Shell		03-15-42
 				1x Shell		03-04-42
 				1x Bomb			01-30-42
 				1x Bomb			01-18-42
 				2x Bomb			01-03-42
 Haruna			BB	1x Shell		03-15-42
 				1x Bomb			02-12-42
 				1x Torp			12-26-41
 				1x Torp			12-20-41
 Hiei			BB	3x Torp, 10x Bomb	05-29-42	Sunk
 				2x Shell		05-28-42
 				10x Bomb, 2x Torp	05-27-42
 				1x Bomb			01-07-42
 Hyuga			BB	15x Shell		05-09-42
 				6x Shell		05-04-42
 				4x Shell		03-15-42
 				2x Shell		03-04-42
 				7x Shell		03-01-42
 				1x Bomb			12-26-41
 Ise			BB	6x Shell		03-15-42
 				6x Shell		03-01-42
 				1x Torp			01-27-42
 				1x Bomb			01-20-42
 				1x Torp			01-05-42
 Kongo			BB 	2x Torp			12-28-41
 				1x Bomb			12-26-41
 				1x Torp			12-08-41
 Kirishima		BB	7x Torp, 61x Bomb	05-29-42	Sunk
 				28x Bomb, 12x Shell	05-27-42
 Mutsu			BB	14x Bomb, 2x Torp	05-17-42
 				3x Shell		03-20-42
 				1x Bomb			03-12-42
 				3x Shell		02-03-42
 				1x Bomb			01-16-42
 Nagato			BB	1x Torp			01-24-42
 				1x Bomb			01-08-42
 Yamashiro		BB	2x Torp			01-24-42
 
 
 
 
 Aoba			CA	1x Mine			05-01-42
 				9x Shell		12-13-41
 Ashigara		CA	3x Shell		04-30-42
 Atago			CA	1x Bomb			02-12-42
 Chikuma			CA	1x Bomb			05-27-42
 Chokai			CA	1x Mine			05-01-42
 				1x Bomb			01-31-42
 Furutaka		CA	25x Bomb		03-26-42	Sunk
 				5x Bomb			03-25-42
 Haguro			CA	1x Shell		12-08-41
 Kako			CA	14x Bomb		03-26-42	Sunk
 				5x Bomb, 2x Torp	03-25-42
 Kinugasa		CA	6x Bomb, 5x Torp	03-25-42	Sunk
 Kumano			CA	1x Mine			05-01-42
 				3x Bomb			01-31-42
 				1x Bomb			12-18-41
 Maya			CA	1x Bomb			12-24-41
 Mikuma			CA	2x Shell		04-22-42
 Suzuya			CA	1x Bomb			12-26-41
 Takao			CA	1x Shell		03-20-42
 				3x Shell		03-04-42
 				1x Bomb			02-11-42
 Tone			CA	1x Shell		05-27-42
 
 
 
 
 Isuzu			CL	1x Bomb			02-03-42
 Kashii			CL	1x Shell		02-24-42
 				8x Shell, 1x Bomb	02-23-42
 Kashima			CL	4x Shell		12-10-41
 Katori			CL	14x Bomb		04-26-42	Sunk
 				5x Bomb, 25x Shell	04-25-42
 				30x Shell		01-05-42
 				4x Shell		12-07-41
 Kiso			CL 	2x Shell, 2x Torp	05-05-42	Sunk
 				14x Bomb		05-04-42
 Kitakami		CL	2x Bomb			01-29-42
 Kuma			CL 	6x Shell, 1x Torp	05-05-42	Sunk
 				7x Bomb			05-04-42
 Natori			CL	2x Bomb			12-27-41
 Naka			CL 	13x Bomb		05-05-42
 				5x Bomb			05-04-42
 Oi			CL	2x Shell		05-27-42
 Sendai			CL	1x Bomb			03-03-42
 				2x Bomb			02-25-42
 				1x Bomb			01-02-42
 Tama			CL 	18x Shell		05-05-42	Sunk
 				5x Bomb			05-04-42
 Tatsuta			CL	5x Shell		12-26-41	Sunk
 				11x Shell		12-23-41
 Tenryu			CL	8x Shell, 1x Torp	12-23-41	Sunk
 				12x Shell		12-07-41
 Yubari			CL	1x Bomb, 6x Shell	12-26-41	Sunk
 				10x Shell		12-23-41
 Yura			CL	1x Torp			01-29-42
 
 
 
 
 Akatsuki		DD	1x Torp			01-02-42
 Akikaze			DD	5x Bomb			05-17-42	Sunk
 Amagiri			DD	4x Shell		02-01-42	Sunk
 Amatsukaze		DD	1x Shell, 1x Torp	05-05-42	Sunk
 				4x Bomb			05-04-42
 Arare			DD	5x Bomb			05-30-42	Sunk
 Arashi			DD	1x Torp			02-04-42	Sunk
 				3x Shell		02-01-42
 Ariake			DD	3x Shell		04-30-42
 Asakaze			DD	2x Torp			05-17-42	Sunk
 Asanagi			DD	15x Shell		01-09-42	Sunk
 Asashio			DD	1x Shell		04-30-42
 Fuyo			DD 	4x Bomb			05-04-42	Sunk
 Hagikaze		DD	1x Bomb			02-26-42
 				1x Bomb			12-19-41
 Hakaze			DD	6x Bomb			05-17-42	Sunk
 Hatakaze		DD	2x Bomb			05-17-42
 Hatsukari		DD	1x Bomb			05-17-42
 Harusame		DD	3x Shell		04-30-42
 Hayabusa		DD	1x Bomb			02-04-42
 				5x Shell		02-01-42
 Hayate			DD	7x Shell		12-23-41	Sunk
 Kamo			DD	9x Shell		02-01-42	Sunk
 Kari			DD	9x Shell		02-01-42	Sunk
 Kasasagi		DD	1x Shell		02-01-42
 Kasumi			DD	9x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 				2x Shell		05-27-42
 				13x Shell		05-26-42
 Kawakaze		DD	7x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 				15x Shell		05-26-42
 Kuretake		DD	1x Bomb			05-05-42
 Maikaze			DD	1x Shell		02-01-42
 Manazuru		DD	1x Torp			05-17-42	Sunk
 Mikazuki		DD	7x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 				7x Shell		05-26-42
 Minegumo		DD	3x Shell		04-30-42
 Minekaze		DD	2x Bomb			05-17-42
 Mochizuki		DD	13x Shell		12-23-41	Sunk
 Murasame		DD	11x Shell		04-30-42
 Mutsuki			DD	9x Shell		12-07-41	Sunk
 Nagatsuki		DD	1x Torp			05-17-42
 Natsugumo		DD	6x Shell		04-30-42	Sunk
 Nokaze			DD	4x Bomb			05-17-42	Sunk
 Numakaze		DD	1x Bomb			01-22-42
 Oite			DD	9x Shell		12-23-41	Sunk
 Oshio			DD	2x Torp			01-02-42	Sunk
 Otori			DD	1x Torp			12-10-41
 Oyashio			DD	7x Shell		04-30-42
 				1x Shell		04-21-42
 				5x Shell		12-07-41
 Sagiri			DD	2x Shell		04-30-42
 Satsuki			DD	4x Bomb, 2x Torp	05-17-42	Sunk
 Sawakaze		DD	3x Shell		12-17-41
 Shikinami		DD	8x Shell		02-01-42	Sunk
 Shiokaze		DD	1x Torp			01-14-42	Sunk
 				1x Shell		12-24-41
 Shirakumo		DD	5x Shell		02-01-42
 Shirayuki		DD	1x Mine			02-01-42
 Tachikaze		DD	3x Shell		12-17-41
 Tanikaze		DD	3x Bomb			05-28-42	Sunk
 				6x Shell, 1x Torp	05-27-42
 Tomozuru		DD	3x Torp			05-17-42	Sunk
 Tsuga			DD	1x Torp			05-17-42	Sunk
 Umikaze			DD	2x Shell		04-30-42
 Urakaze			DD	10x Bomb		05-30-42	Sunk
 Uranami			DD	1x Bomb			06-01-42
 				1x Torp			05-10-42
 Uzuki			DD	2x Bomb			03-25-42	Sunk
 Wakatake		DD	4x Bomb			01-17-42	Sunk
 Yamakaze		DD	1x Shell		04-30-42
 Yayoi			DD	20x Shell		12-23-41	Sunk
 Yugure			DD	3x Shell		12-17-41
 Yukaze			DD	3x Bomb			05-17-42	Sunk
 Yunagi			DD	24x Shell		01-09-42	Sunk
 Yuzuki			DD	1x Bomb			05-17-42
 
 
 
 
 Chitose Maru		PG	1x Bomb			02-08-42
 Choan Maru #2		PG	4x Shell		12-09-41
 Chokai Maru		PG	4x Shell		12-10-41	Sunk
 Chosa Maru		PG	10x Shell		02-23-42
 Daido Maru		PG	11x Shell		12-10-41	Sunk
 Eifuku Maru		PG	29x Shell		02-23-42
 Fukui Maru		PG	2x Shell		02-18-42
 				2x Shell		12-10-41
 Kiso Maru		PG	1x Bomb			03-12-42
 Koei Maru		PG	1x Shell		12-09-41
 Kyo Maru #8		PG	9x Shell		12-22-41	Sunk
 Nagata Maru		PG	2x Shell		01-05-42	Sunk
 Nikkai Maru		PG	1x Bomb			06-03-42	Sunk
 				3x Bomb			06-01-42
 Santos Maru		PG	7x Shell		01-05-42	Sunk
 Shoei Maru		PG	1x Shell		01-03-42
 Shosei Maru		PG	12x Shell		04-26-42	Sunk
 Takunan Maru #3		PG	1x Bomb			12-13-41
 Toyotsu Maru		PG	2x Shell		01-05-42
 Uji			PG	12x Shell		02-23-42
 Yachiyo Maru		PG	1x Torp			05-20-42
 
 
 
 
 Ch 2			PC	1x Torp			05-27-42	Sunk
 Ch 3			PC	8x Shell		05-31-42	Sunk
 Ch 5			PC	5x Shell		04-26-42	Sunk
 Ch 7			PC	8x Shell		05-29-42	Sunk
 Ch 8			PC	1x Bomb, 3x Shell	05-31-42	Sunk
 				4x Shell		05-29-42
 Ch 11			PC	21x Shell		05-02-42	Sunk
 Ch 18			PC	1x Bomb			03-12-42
 Fumi Maru #3		PC	7x Shell, 1x Torp	01-05-42	Sunk
 Gamitsu Maru #1		PC	1x Mine			02-07-42	Sunk
 				2x Shell		12-10-41
 				1x Shell		12-09-41
 Hachijo			PC	5x Bomb			06-02-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb, 2x Shell	05-30-42
 Kyo Maru #6		PC	33x Shell		01-05-42	Sunk
 Kyo Maru #7		PC	1x Bomb			01-06-42	Sunk
 				6x Shell		01-05-42
 Kyo Maru #12		PC	2x Torp			05-27-42	Sunk
 Kyo Maru #13		PC	1x Torp			05-27-42	Sunk
 Shimushu		PC	10x Shell, 1x Torp	06-01-42	Sunk
 Shonan Maru #1		PC	1x Torp			05-27-42	Sunk
 Shonon Maru #3		PC	1x Shell		01-05-42
 Shonon Maru #10		PC	2x Shell		01-05-42
 Shonon Maru #11		PC	9x Shell		01-05-42	Sunk
 Shonon Maru #15		PC	1x Shell, 1x Torp	05-27-42	Sunk
 Showa Maru #5		PC	1x Torp			12-18-41	Sunk
 				1x Shell		12-10-41
 				4x Shell		12-09-41
 Sonan Maru #6		PC	2x Shell		01-03-42
 Takuna Maru #6		PC	9x Shell		01-05-42	Sunk
 
 
 
 
 Gyoraitei #1		PT	2x Shell		05-29-42	Sunk
 Gyoraitei #2		PT	2x Shell		04-30-42	Sunk
 Gyoraitei #3		PT	4x Shell		04-17-42	Sunk
 Gyoraitei #4		PT	5x Shell		04-21-42	Sunk
 Gyoraitei #5		PT	8x Shell		04-30-42	Sunk
 				5x Shell		04-21-42
 Gyoraitei #6		PT	1x Shell		04-30-42
 
 
 
 
 Okinoshima		ML	6x Shell		01-09-42	Sunk
 Tokiwa			ML	2x Shell		01-16-42	Sunk
 				3x Shell		01-11-42
 Tsugaru			ML	3x Shell		01-09-42	Sunk
 
 
 
 
 Banshu Maru #52		MSW	15x Shell		12-08-41	Sunk
 Banshu Maru #56		MSW	5x Shell		12-08-41	Sunk
 Choun Maru #21		MSW	3x Bomb, 3x Shell	05-28-42	Sunk
 Hakata Maru #7		MSW	1x Shell, 1x Torp	05-27-42	Sunk
 Himejima Maru		MSW	3x Bomb			01-06-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			01-05-42
 Hinode Maru #17		MSW	4x Bomb			05-28-42	Sunk
 Kaiyo Maru #3		MSW	2x Bomb, 1x Torp	01-25-42	Sunk
 Kyo Maru #3		MSW	3x Bomb			01-11-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			01-10-42
 Musashi Maru		MSW	1x Bomb			05-01-42
 Tasei Maru		MSW	2x Shell		05-31-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-30-42
 Tokuho Maru #5		MSW	5x Bomb			05-30-42	Sunk
 Toshi Maru #1		MSW	1x Torp			03-22-42
 Wa 3			MSW	2x Torp			03-22-42
 W.2			MSW	1x Mine			02-09-42	Sunk
 				1x Shell		12-07-41
 W.10			MSW	1x Bomb			01-17-42
 W.15			MSW	1x Torp			05-27-42	Sunk
 
 
 
 
 I-1			SS	1x DC			12-10-41	Sunk
 I-2			SS	11x DC			04-02-42	Sunk
 I-3			SS	4x DC			12-31-41	Sunk
 I-9			SS	14x DC			06-04-42
 I-10			SS	2x DC			03-14-42	Sunk
 I-19			SS	5x DC			02-27-42	Sunk
 I-21			SS	3x DC			12-17-41	Sunk
 I-25			SS	6x DC			04-25-42
 I-156			SS	4x DC			01-01-42	Sunk
 I-157			SS	1x DC			12-26-41
 I-158			SS	5x DC			12-09-41	Sunk
 I-162			SS	2x DC			12-28-41	Sunk
 I-165			SS	3x DC			01-04-42	Sunk
 I-166			SS	3x DC			12-16-41	Sunk
 
 
 
 
 Erimo			AO	1x Bomb			01-31-42
 				1x Bomb			01-10-42
 
 
 
 
 Akane Maru		TK	1x Bomb			01-10-42
 				1x Bomb			12-27-41
 Arima Maru		TK	1x Bomb			01-08-42
 Chiyoda Maru		TK	1x Bomb			01-08-42
 Gen'yo Maru		TK	1x Torp			03-18-42
 Kiyo Maru		TK	1x Bomb			03-21-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			03-09-42
 				1x Bomb			01-10-42
 				1x Bomb			01-05-42
 				1x Bomb			12-31-41
 Kyokuto Maru		TK	1x Bomb			01-25-42
 Nichiei Maru		TK	1x Bomb			01-24-42
 Nichirin Maru		TK	1x Torp			01-25-42
 Nikkoku Maru		TK	1x Bomb			12-08-41
 Shoyo Maru		TK	1x Bomb			12-27-41
 
 
 
 
 Africa Maru		AP	2x Bomb			03-16-42
 				1x Bomb			02-03-42
 Aikoku Maru		AP	24x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 				2x Shell		05-27-42
 Akashisan Maru		AP	5x Bomb			06-01-42	Sunk
 				3x Bomb			05-31-42
 				1x Mine			05-26-42
 Amakasu Maru #1		AP	1x Bomb			05-16-42
 Amakusa Maru		AP	3x Mine			03-21-42	Sunk
 Anrugu Maru		AP	1x Bomb			05-16-42
 Arabia Maru		AP	7x Bomb			05-31-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-30-42
 Aratama Maru		AP	2x Bomb			06-02-42
 				1x Bomb			06-01-42
 				11x Shell		05-29-42
 				1x Shell		05-28-42
 				2x Shell		02-18-42
 Argentina Maru		AP	40 Shell, 1x Torp	05-27-42	Sunk
 Astuga Maru		AP	1x Shell		12-10-41	Sunk
 				2x Torp, 2x Shell	12-09-41
 Atsuta Maru		AP	2x Bomb			12-30-41
 				1x Shell		12-10-41
 				1x Shell		12-09-41
 Buenos Aires Maru	AP	1x Bomb			12-21-41
 Choko Maru		AP	1x Torp			12-12-41
 				1x Bomb			12-11-41
 Chichibu Maru		AP	1x Torp, 3x Bomb	05-16-42	Sunk
 Chifuku Maru		AP	25x Shell		01-05-42	Sunk
 Daifuku Maru		AP	3x Shell		12-27-41
 Daihachikyo Maru	AP	3x Bomb, 1x Torp	06-01-42	Sunk
 Daijukyo Maru		AP	9x Bomb			05-31-42	Sunk
 Dainiunyo Maru		AP	3x Bomb			06-03-42	Sunk
 				1x Torp			06-01-42
 Daitei Maru		AP	1x Bomb			01-05-42
 				1x Bomb			12-10-41
 Denmark Maru		AP	5x Bomb, 1x Torp	05-30-42
 				1x Shell		05-28-42
 Eihuku Maru		AP	8x Shell		05-29-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb, 2x Shell	05-28-42
 				1x Bomb			02-22-42
 Eiko Maru		AP	1x Bomb			01-27-42
 Fusemi Maru		AP	4x Shell		12-27-41
 Ginyo Maru		AP	1x Bomb			05-30-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb, 11x Shell	05-29-42
 				2x Shell		05-28-42
 				1x Shell		05-27-42
 Giyu Maru		AP	8x Shell, 1x Torp	12-13-41	Sunk
 Gosei Maru		AP	2x Torp, 2x Bomb	12-13-41	Sunk
 Gotake Maru		AP	1x Bomb			03-12-42
 Haguro Maru		AP	2x Bomb			12-14-41
 Haisho Maru		AP	1x Bomb			12-09-41
 Hakka Maru		AP	3x Bomb			12-11-41	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			12-10-41
 Hakutetsu Maru #13	AP	7x Shell		12-11-41	Sunk
 			AP	1x Bomb			12-09-41
 Haruna Maru		AP	1x Bomb, 13x Shell	05-27-42	Sunk
 Hayo Maru		AP	1x Bomb			03-12-42
 Heian Maru		AP	16x Shell		06-01-42	Sunk
 				1x Torp			05-30-42
 				3x Shell		05-29-42
 Heiku Maru		AP	1x Torp			01-19-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			12-31-41
 Heiwa Maru		AP	1x Torp, 1x Bomb	12-30-41
 				4x Shell		12-09-41
 Heizan Maru		AP	1x Shell, 2x Torp	01-02-42	Sunk
 Hikade Maru		AP	2x Bomb			03-12-42	Sunk
 				2x Bomb			12-11-41
 Hokuhi Maru		AP	2x Torp			12-13-41	
 				1x Bomb			12-10-41
 Hokusho Maru		AP	1x Bomb			02-27-42
 Horai Maru		AP	4x Bomb			02-23-42	Sunk
 				1x Torp			12-18-41
 				1x Shell		12-10-41
 				2x Shell		12-09-41
 Horaisan Maru		AP	3x Shell		02-01-42
 Humburugu Maru		AP	2x Bomb			12-31-41	Sunk
 Iburi Maru		AP	5x Shell		05-29-42	Sunk
 				1x Torp			05-27-42
 Igasa Maru		AP	6x Bomb			01-12-42	Sunk
 				2x Bomb			12-25-41
 Jinsai Maru		AP	4x Bomb			03-04-42	Sunk
 Josho Maru		AP	1x Bomb			12-11-41
 Jouban Maru		AP	2x Torp			06-02-42	Sunk
 				5x Bomb			06-01-42
 				1x Shell		05-28-42
 Juko Maru		AP	6x Bomb			06-02-42	Sunk
 				4x Bomb			06-01-42
 				1x Bomb			05-31-42
 				1x Shell		05-28-42
 				2x Shell		05-26-42
 Kagi Maru		AP	3x Shell, 1x Torp	06-02-42	Sunk
 				7x Bomb			06-01-42
 				2x Bomb			05-31-42
 Kaifuku Maru		AP	2x Bomb			01-01-42
 Kaika Maru		AP	2x Shell		12-08-41
 Kaiko Maru		AP	1x Bomb			12-09-41
 Kaishi Maru		AP	1x Torp			04-15-42
 Kamakura Maru		AP	18x Shell, 2x Torp	05-31-42	Sunk
 				2x Bomb			05-30-42
 				2x Shell		05-29-42
 Kamo Maru		AP	1x Bomb			05-01-42
 				1x Bomb			01-15-42
 Kansan Maru		AP	4x Torp			05-31-42	Sunk
 				1x Shell		05-28-42
 Kasima Maru		AP	1x Bomb			01-15-42
 Katori Maru		AP	3x Shell		12-08-41
 Keisyo Maru		AP	24x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 Keiyo Maru		AP	2x Bomb			05-30-42	Sunk
 				8x Shell		05-28-42
 				1x Bomb			05-27-42
 Keizan Maru		AP	1x Torp			12-16-41
 Kiko Maru		AP	2x Torp			01-14-42	Sunk
 				1x Torp			01-12-42
 Kimishima Maru		AP	3x Bomb			12-25-41	Sunk
 Kinryu Maru		AP	2x Shell		12-07-41
 Koei Maru		AP	2x Torp, 1x Shell	05-29-42	Sunk
 Kogane Maru		AP	10x Shell, 1x Torp	06-01-42	Sunk
 				1x Torp			05-30-42
 Kogyo Maru		AP	1x Bomb			02-22-42
 Kokuryu Maru		AP	5x Bomb			03-04-42	Sunk
 Konron Maru		AP	24x Shell, 1x Torp	05-31-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-30-42
 Konsan Maru		AP	8x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 Konzan Maru		AP	2x Shell, 1x Torp	05-31-42	Sunk
 				6x Bomb			05-30-42
 				2x Shell		05-29-42
 Koshu Maru #3		AP	4x Shell, 2x Bomb	12-08-41
 Kotobuki Maru #3	AP	6x Shell		12-07-41
 Kowa Maru		AP	21x Shell		05-31-42	Sunk
 				3x Bomb			05-30-42
 				1x Torp			05-29-42
 Kunimitsu Maru		AP	16x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 Kuraido Maru		AP	4x Bomb			05-31-42	Sunk
 				3x Bomb			05-30-42
 				3x Shell		05-28-42
 Kuretake Maru		AP	1x Torp			05-07-42
 Kuretake Maru		AP	1x Torp			05-07-42
 				1x Bomb			03-30-42
 				1x Bomb			02-03-42
 Kyushu Maru		AP	1x Torp			01-06-42
 				1x Torp			12-14-41
 La Plata Maru		AP	18x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-27-42
 Marsue Maru		AP	1x Bomb			06-01-42	Sunk
 				3x Bomb, 1x Torp	05-31-42
 				1x Bomb			05-30-42
 				1x Shell		05-28-42
 				1x Shell		05-26-42
 Meikai Maru		AP	19x Shell		06-01-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-31-42
 				4x Shell		05-29-42
 Meiten Maru		AP	1x Shell		12-08-41
 Meiu Maru		AP	1x Shell		12-08-41
 Meizan Maru		AP	9x Shell, 1x Torp	06-02-42	Sunk
 				3x Shell, 1x Bomb	06-01-42
 Midori Maru		AP	3x Torp			01-11-42	Sunk
 				3x Bomb			12-11-41
 Miike Maru		AP	1x Bomb			02-22-42
 Mikage Maru #2		AP	1x Torp			12-10-41	Sunk
 Miyako Maru		AP	24x Shell		05-31-42	Sunk
 Mizuho Maru		AP	1x Bomb			01-12-42
 Monji Maru		AP	8x Bomb			05-31-42	Sunk
 				14x Shell		05-29-42
 				3x Shell		05-26-42
 Montevideo Maru		AP	2x Bomb 		06-01-42	Sunk
 				6x Bomb, 1x Torp	05-31-42
 Nachisan Maru		AP	2x Bomb			05-30-42	Sunk
 				2x Shell		05-29-42
 				2x Bomb			05-27-42
 Nagano Maru		AP	13x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 				3x Bomb			05-27-42
 Nagaragawa Maru		AP	1x Bomb, 1x Shell, 2x Torp05-31-42	Sunk
 				2x Shell		05-29-42
 				1x Bomb			05-27-42
 Nekka Maru		AP	8x Shell, 2x Torp	05-28-42	Sunk
 Nichiai Maru		AP	2x Bomb			06-02-42	Sunk
 				1x Torp			05-31-42
 				2x Shell		05-29-42
 Nichibi Maru		AP	3x Bomb			04-01-42	Sunk
 				2x Bomb			03-30-42
 				1x Bomb			03-25-42
 				1x Bomb			03-24-42
 				3x Bomb			03-22-42
 Nichiran Maru		AP	2x Shell		12-08-41
 Nichiro Maru		AP	2x Bomb			05-30-42	Sunk
 				6x Shell		05-28-42
 Niitaka Maru		AP	21x Shell		06-02-42	Sunk
 				2x Bomb			06-01-42
 				1x Shell		05-29-42
 Oyo Maru		AP	1x Bomb			03-03-42
 Palao Maru		AP	2x Shell		12-08-41
 Reiyo Maru		AP	3x Torp			05-29-42	Sunk
 				9x Shell		05-28-42
 Ronsan Maru		AP	3x Bomb 		06-01-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-31-42
 				1x Bomb			05-30-42
 				1x Shell		05-29-42
 Ryoyo Maru		AP	2x Bomb, 6x Shell, 1x Torp05-31-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			02-18-42
 				1x Shell		12-27-41
 Ryugi Maru		AP	3x Bomb, 3x Torp	05-30-42	Sunk
 				1x Torp			05-27-42
 				1x Shell		12-27-41
 Ryuyo Maru		AP	1x Torpedo		06-02-42	Sunk
 				2x Bomb 		06-01-42
 				5x Bomb			05-30-42
 Saipan Maru		AP	1x Torp			05-30-42	Sunk
 				16x Shell		05-28-42
 Seattle Maru		AP	3x Bomb			05-30-42	Sunk
 				4x Shell		05-28-42
 				5x Shell		05-26-42
 Sekko Maru		AP	1x Torp			05-31-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-30-42
 Shintoku Maru		AP	1x Mine			03-11-42
 				3x Shell		12-07-41
 Shinyo Maru		AP	3x Torp			05-27-42	Sunk
 Shirashika Maru		AP	1x Bomb			03-30-42
 Shirogane Maru		AP	1x Bomb			05-03-42
 				1x Bomb			02-08-42
 Shofuku Maru		AP	2x Bomb			12-25-41
 				1x Bomb			12-23-41
 Shuko Maru		AP	11x Shell, 1x Torp	12-22-41	Sunk
 Sumiyoshi Maru		AP	1x Bomb			02-21-42
 Sunten Maru		AP	5x Bomb			12-11-41
 				3x Bomb			12-10-41
 				1x Torp			12-09-41
 Suwa Maru		AP	3x Shell		05-29-42	Sunk
 				11x Shell		05-28-42
 				2x Bomb			05-27-42
 Tafuku Maru		AP	6x Bomb			05-30-42
 				2x Shell		05-28-42
 				1x Bomb			12-29-41
 Taian Maru		AP	2x Torp, 10x Shell	05-29-42	Sunk
 				4x Shell		05-28-42
 Taigen Maru		AP	9x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 				6x Shell		05-27-42
 Taiho Maru		AP	1x Torp			03-14-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			03-12-42
 Takuei Maru		AP	4x Shell		06-01-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-31-42
 				6x Shell		05-28-42
 Takunan Maru		AP	13x Shell, 1x Torp	06-01-42	Sunk
 				2x Shell		05-31-42
 Tamaki Maru		AP	6x Shell		05-31-42	Sunk
 				8x Shell		05-29-42
 Tamatsu Maru		AP	7x Bomb			05-28-42	Sunk
 Tamashima Maru		AP	1x Bomb			02-26-42
 Tarushima Maru		AP	2x Bomb			01-05-42	Sunk
 Tateyama Maru		AP	22x Shell		06-02-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			06-01-42
 				1x Shell		05-29-42
 Tatsujin Maru		AP	3x Bomb			01-09-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			01-05-42
 				1x Bomb			12-27-41
 Tatuharu Maru		AP	6x Shell		02-18-42	Sunk
 Tatuwa Maru		AP	56x Shell, 2x Torp	12-17-41	Sunk
 				3x Bomb			12-13-41
 Teia Maru		AP	1x Mine			03-20-42
 Teikei Maru		AP	17x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-27-42
 Teiun Maru		AP	1x Bomb			12-09-41
 Teizui Maru		AP	1x Bomb			12-10-41
 Tempei Maru		AP	8x Shell		05-31-42	Sunk
 				2x Torp			05-30-42
 				2x Shell		05-29-42
 Tenryu Maru		AP	3x Bomb			03-04-42	Sunk
 Tenyo Maru		AP	3x Shell		12-08-41
 Tenran Maru		AP	2x Torp			03-22-42
 Tenzan Maru		AP	1x Shell		12-08-41
 Terukuni Maru		AP	2x Shell		12-08-41
 Tientsin Maru		AP	1x Bomb			03-12-42
 Toko Maru		AP	10x Shell		05-31-42	Sunk
 				2x Bomb			05-30-42
 				1x Shell		05-29-42
 				5x Shell		05-28-42
 Toko Maru #2		AP	20x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 Tonan Maru		AP	8x Bomb			06-01-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-31-42
 				2x Shell		05-29-42
 				1x Bomb			12-13-41
 Tonei Maru		AP	4x Bomb			05-31-42	Sunk
 				2x Shell		05-29-42
 Toyo Maru #2		AP	1x Bomb			12-28-41
 Tsuiba Maru		AP	5x Shell		05-31-42	Sunk
 				6x Shell		05-28-42
 Tsunushima Maru		AP	3x Shell		06-01-42	Sunk
 				2x Bomb			05-31-42
 				3x Bomb			05-30-42
 Tsuruga Maru		AP	2x Torp			05-27-42	Sunk
 Tsuyama Maru		AP	1x Bomb			01-15-42
 Tutukami Maru		AP	2x Shell		12-08-41
 Ueizuru Maru		AP	3x Shell		05-29-42	Sunk
 				2x Torp			05-27-42
 Uji Maru		AP	3x Shell		01-05-42
 Ujigawa Maru		AP	5x Shell, 2x Torp	03-14-42	Sunk
 Ume Maru		AP	2x Torp			12-10-41
 Unkai Maru #3		AP	18x Shell		05-31-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-30-42
 				6x Shell		05-29-42
 Unkai Maru #6		AP	26x Shell		06-01-42	Sunk
 Ural Maru		AP	14x Shell, 2x Torp	06-02-42	sunk
 				1x Bomb			06-01-42
 Victoria Maru		AP	27x Shell		05-29-42	Sunk
 				12x Shell		05-28-42
 Yamafuku Maru		AP	2x Bomb			03-11-42	Sunk
 				2x Torp			03-10-42
 				2x Bomb			01-31-42
 Yamagata Maru		AP	1x Bomb			12-09-41
 Yamakisan Maru		AP	3x Shell		05-31-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-30-42
 				1x Torp			05-27-42
 Yamakuni Maru		AP	1x Bomb			02-26-42
 Yasukuni Maru		AP	1x Bomb			01-17-42
 Yawata Maru		AP	1x Bomb			05-30-42	Sunk
 				21x Shell		05-29-42
 Yokohama Maru		AP	4x Bomb			05-30-42	Sunk
 				6x Shell		05-26-42
 Yoshino Maru		AP	6x Shell		05-28-42	Sunk
 				3x Bomb			05-27-42
 Yoshinogawa Maru	AP	3x Shell		05-29-42	Sunk
 				3x Bomb, 2x Shell	05-28-42
 				15x Shell		02-24-42
 Yuzan Maru 		AP	14x Shell		02-24-42
 Zenoa Maru		AP	14x Shell, 1x Torp	05-27-42	Sunk	
 Zinzan Maru		AP	16x Shell, 1x Torp	06-02-42	sunk
 				1x Bomb			06-01-42
 				1x Bomb			05-30-42
 Zukai Maru		AP	1x Torp, 2x Shell	05-29-42	Sunk
 				1x Torp			05-27-42
 
 
 
 
 Akagane Maru		AK	4x Shell		12-11-41	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			12-09-41
 Akagisan Maru		AK	5x Shell		04-26-42
 Akita Maru		AK	1x Bomb			12-27-41
 Aobasan Maru		AK	2x Bomb			12-11-41
 Brazil Maru		AK	3x Bomb			06-02-42	Sunk
 				4x Bomb			06-01-42
 				2x Shell		05-29-42
 				1x Shell		05-28-42
 				7x Shell		05-26-42
 Canton Maru		AK	1x Shell		01-05-42
 China Maru		AK	4x Bomb			06-02-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			05-31-42
 				1x Bomb, 6x Shell	05-29-42
 				3x Shell		05-26-42
 Dakar Maru		AK	2x Shell		05-02-42	Sunk
 Durban Maru		AK	70x Shell		05-02-42	Sunk
 Ehime Maru		AK	1x Bomb			02-17-42
 Hakonesan Maru		AK	17x Shell		12-11-41	Sunk
 				4x Shell		12-09-41
 				1x Bomb			12-08-41
 Hakubasan Maru		AK	1x Bomb			12-11-41	Sunk
 				1x Shell		12-09-41
 Hirokawa Maru		AK	2x Bomb			01-10-42	Sunk
 				5x Shell		01-05-42
 Houn Maru		AK	1x Torp			12-11-41
 				2x Bomb, 1x Shell	12-09-41
 Johore Maru		AK	1x Bomb			02-17-42
 Kongo Maru		AK	4x Shell		01-05-42	Sunk
 Mansei Maru		AK	1x Shell		12-08-41
 Matue Maru		AK	1x Torp			02-08-42
 Nanman Maru		AK	1x Bomb			02-22-42
 Pacific Maru		AK	1x Bomb			01-17-42
 Ryoka Maru		AK	2x Bomb			12-08-41	Sunk
 Ryujin Maru		AK	2x Bomb			02-23-42	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			02-19-42
 Sagara Maru		AK	2x Torp			12-15-41	Sunk
 				1x Torp, 6x Bomb	12-14-41
 				2x Bomb			12-13-41
 				1x Bomb			12-09-41
 Sanuki Maru		AK	1x Bomb			02-14-42
 Seitai Maru		AK	1x Torp			12-13-41	Sunk
 				1x Bomb			12-08-41
 Sydney Maru		AK	2x Shell		12-08-41
 Tenposan Maru		AK	4x Shell		01-05-42	Sunk
 Tetsuzan Maru		AK	2x Shell		12-09-41	Sunk
 				4x Bomb			12-08-41
 Tien Lee		AK	1x Torp			04-19-42
 Usa Maru		AK	13x Shell		01-05-42	Sunk
 Venice Maru		AK	3x Bomb, 3x Torp	05-31-42	Sunk
 Yagi Maru		AK	2x Bomb			12-08-41
 
 
 
 
 AG-103			AG	1x Shell		04-27-42	Sunk
 AG-358			AG	3x Shell		04-10-42	Sunk
 AG-363			AG	4x Shell		04-25-42	Sunk
 AG-364			AG	2x Shell		04-25-42	Sunk
 AG-365			AG	1x Shell		04-25-42	Sunk
 AG-366			AG 	1x Shell		04-20-42	Sunk
 AG-367			AG	1x Shell		04-25-42	Sunk
 AG-368			AG	2x Shell		04-25-42	Sunk
 AG-369			AG	1x Shell		04-25-42	Sunk
 AG-370			AG	1x Shell		04-25-42	Sunk
 AG-373			AG	2x Shell		04-20-42	Sunk
 AG-374			AG	2x Shell		04-25-42	Sunk
 AG-375			AG	3x Shell		04-23-42	Sunk
 
 
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RE: Why do bombs cause huge floatation damage in WitP?

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Monter wrote: "US torpedoes should have their effect halved until late in war. "


Let's see... half of zero is what (sure seems to be the effect of early war Mk 14s!)? [;)]








Feinder, I was getting ready to ask you where the h*** you got those sinking dates when I realized that it must be from an AAR, not history... boy, do I feel stupid (okay, so it's like any other day...).
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RE: Why do bombs cause huge floatation damage in WitP?

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Who was the hapless Japanese victim? Hopefully it was the AI because I can't imagine how crappy a player must be to get walloped like that as Japan.[:D][X(]
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RE: Why do bombs cause huge floatation damage in WitP?

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ORIGINAL: spence

I was wondering if the IJN had any large fleet tugs like the USN and started poking around on the web (without much success).

Came across one fairly small (~50 shorter than a USN ATF) tug at the following site:

http://www.seawolfproductions.com/Shipwreck%20Museum/Truk%20Lagoon/index.html

Although the tug info was not really what I was looking for there are a lot of neat photos (then and now), drawings and descriptions of the carrier raids on Truk in early 1944 for anyone that's interested.


Watts lists the following Classes and vessels as Salvage tugs as opposed to Salvage Vessels if there is a difference:

The Miura class:
Hanashima
Miura
Yumihari

Hashima Class:
Futagami
Hasima

Tategami class:
Nagura
Ojima
Tategami

Under the heading Tugs

"From 1930 to the end of the war many tugs were built for the imperial japanese Navy. These fall into 4 categories. The 100 ton types powered by 240 HP engines producing a speed of 10 knots were buitl between 1930 and 1945. A total of 70 were built and 10 more were" in the process at the end of the war.

"The next type was larger being of 150 tons. Powered by a 400 HP ebngine at 10 knots, 85 were built between 1932 and 1945."

The 300 ton type were buitl between 1939 and 1944 Only 25 were built

The final 400 ton type were built btween 1942 and 1944. Only 3 had been completed.

In addition Watts lists 8 other vessels as tugs:
No 1434
No 1447, ex Carmen Moller, ex-Taikoo
No 1448, ex- Ready Moller
No 1449, ex-Visayas
Kurushima, ex Christine Moller
SaruHashi Maru, ex-Sars
Kurihasashi Maru, ex-Herakles
Yodohashi Maru, ex Sylatch

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RE: Why do bombs cause huge floatation damage in WitP?

Post by Akos Gergely »

I'm sorry for writing in bold but Feinder's post overlaps all others all others :D.

Anyway Chez, you provided your own counterpoint here:

"A list of 13 degrees is not controlled flooding. " Then you say this: "It wasn't until they had the fires out that they could turn to dewatering the spaces." Com'n mate, if they could turn to just simply dewater spaces than it must have been contolled flooding ;-)! And I'm fairly sure no half sane DC officer would let in so much water os as to risk a capsizing...

Also you said earlier that even in this case the flooding was about 10%, noit the 40-50% usually seen in WitP...


And to niceguy: of course ships should be sunk by TORPEDOES or mines, but for sure 30kton CVs and even larger BBs should not be sunk by bombs only....

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RE: Why do bombs cause huge floatation damage in WitP?

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It is most certainly PBEM vs. Human. I keep track of everything. I can review to see when a ship was last hit (and with what) to approximate how badly it was hurt, and how long it will be in the yards.

Midway can happen to anyone. In this case, it happend -TO- my opponent during the last week of May '42. For my troubles, I lost HMS Indy and about 4x CLs and handful of DDs.

I had a similarly bad day vs. Erstad, and lost 7(!) Allied CVs in Oct. '42, for nary a single hit on KB.

Don't be so quick to judge Ronminator.

-F-

And here was my bad day(s) vs. Erstad.

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 AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/18/42
 
 
 Day Air attack on TF at 85,99
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 132
 A6M3 Zero x 22
  
 Allied aircraft
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 4
 SBD Dauntless x 28
 TBF Avenger x 15
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
  
 Allied aircraft losses
 F4F-4 Wildcat: 4 destroyed
 SBD Dauntless: 28 destroyed
 TBF Avenger: 15 destroyed
  
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 85,99
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 131
 A6M3 Zero x 22
  
 Allied aircraft
 Fulmar x 14
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 17
 SBD Dauntless x 30
 Swordfish x 30
 TBF Avenger x 15
 OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 2
 SOC-3 Seagull x 4
 Walrus x 3
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed, 4 damaged
  
 Allied aircraft losses
 Fulmar: 14 destroyed
 F4F-4 Wildcat: 16 destroyed
 SBD Dauntless: 30 destroyed
 Swordfish: 30 destroyed
 TBF Avenger: 15 destroyed
 OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 destroyed
 SOC-3 Seagull: 4 destroyed
 Walrus: 2 destroyed
  
 Japanese Ships
 CS Chitose
 CA Myoko
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  1 x Walrus attacking at 100 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 85,99
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 60
 A6M3 Zero x 10
  
 Allied aircraft
 Fulmar x 4
 Swordfish x 20
  
 No Japanese losses
  
 Allied aircraft losses
 Fulmar: 4 destroyed
 Swordfish: 17 destroyed
  
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 85,99
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 68
 A6M3 Zero x 10
  
 Allied aircraft
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
 SBD Dauntless x 29
 TBF Avenger x 15
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 3 damaged
  
 Allied aircraft losses
 F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed
 SBD Dauntless: 28 destroyed
 TBF Avenger: 8 destroyed
  
 Japanese Ships
 BB Yamashiro
 CV Junyo
 BB Nagato
 CA Haguro
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
  1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 85,99
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 120
 A6M3 Zero x 22
  
 Allied aircraft
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
 SBD Dauntless x 30
 TBF Avenger x 15
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
 A6M3 Zero: 3 damaged
  
 Allied aircraft losses
 F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed
 SBD Dauntless: 30 destroyed
 TBF Avenger: 12 destroyed
  
 Japanese Ships
 CV Soryu
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 86,101
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 12
 G3M Nell x 20
 G4M1 Betty x 38
  
 Allied aircraft
 Fulmar x 36
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 76
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 A6M2 Zero: 9 destroyed
 G3M Nell: 18 destroyed
 G4M1 Betty: 18 destroyed, 2 damaged
  
 Allied aircraft losses
 Fulmar: 4 destroyed, 14 damaged
 F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed, 23 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire
 CA New Orleans
 BB Idaho, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
 BB Mississippi, Torpedo hits 1
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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 Day Air attack on TF at 86,101
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 123
 A6M3 Zero x 16
 D3A Val x 35
 B5N Kate x 155
  
 Allied aircraft
 Fulmar x 32
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 69
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 A6M2 Zero: 18 destroyed, 1 damaged
 A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed
 D3A Val: 2 damaged
 B5N Kate: 15 destroyed, 40 damaged
  
 Allied aircraft losses
 Fulmar: 32 destroyed
 F4F-4 Wildcat: 69 destroyed
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Formidable, Torpedo hits 7,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CV Indomitable, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 8,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CV Illustrious, Torpedo hits 4,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CL Mauritius, Torpedo hits 4,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CL Newcastle, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
 CLAA Capetown, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
 CL Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1
 CL Glasgow
 CLAA Ceres
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  7 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 86,101
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 4
 D3A Val x 27
  
 No Japanese losses
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Indomitable,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CV Formidable,  on fire,  heavy damage
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 86,101
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 14
 D3A Val x 18
 B5N Kate x 18
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 B5N Kate: 2 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Formidable,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CLAA Caledon, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
 CV Indomitable,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CV Illustrious,  on fire,  heavy damage
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 86,101
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M3 Zero x 8
 D3A Val x 27
 B5N Kate x 18
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged
 B5N Kate: 3 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Illustrious,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CL Emerald, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
 CA Dorsetshire
 CL Birmingham
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 
 
 
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/19/42
 
 Sub attack at 87,104
  
 Japanese Ships
 SS I-10, hits 4,  on fire,  heavy damage
  
 Allied Ships
 CL Boise, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
 DD Walke
 DD Helm
 DD Wilson
 DD Arunta
  
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 Sub attack at 87,106
  
 Japanese Ships
 SS I-172, hits 10,  on fire
  
 Allied Ships
 AK Mormacrio
 MSW Bunbury
 MSW Deloraine
 MSW Echuca
 AK Siaoe
  
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 ASW attack at 87,106
  
 Japanese Ships
 SS I-172, hits 5,  on fire,  heavy damage
  
 Allied Ships
 CL St. Louis
 CLAA San Juan
 DD Cushing
  
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 86,104
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 149
 A6M3 Zero x 25
  
 Allied aircraft
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 8
 TBF Avenger x 3
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
  
 Allied aircraft losses
 F4F-4 Wildcat: 8 destroyed
 TBF Avenger: 3 destroyed
  
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,106
  
 Japanese aircraft
 G3M Nell x 4
  
 Allied aircraft
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 18
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 G3M Nell: 3 destroyed
  
 Allied aircraft losses
 F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  1 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,106
  
 Japanese aircraft
 D3A Val x 8
 B5N Kate x 47
  
 Allied aircraft
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 18
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
 B5N Kate: 26 destroyed
  
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 4,  on fire,  heavy damage
 BB Idaho
 BB Mississippi, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,106
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 101
 A6M3 Zero x 10
 D3A Val x 64
 B5N Kate x 97
  
 Allied aircraft
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 18
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
 D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
 B5N Kate: 5 destroyed, 24 damaged
  
 Allied aircraft losses
 F4F-4 Wildcat: 18 destroyed
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Lexington, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 8,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CL Helena, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
 CA Quincy
 CA Vincennes, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CA Minneapolis, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,106
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M3 Zero x 7
 D3A Val x 24
 B5N Kate x 18
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 D3A Val: 5 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Lexington,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CLAA San Diego, Bomb hits 1
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,106
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 7
 B5N Kate x 18
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 B5N Kate: 3 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Lexington,  on fire,  heavy damage
 DD Ellet
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,105
  
 Japanese aircraft
 D3A Val x 15
 B5N Kate x 13
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 D3A Val: 4 damaged
 B5N Kate: 4 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CL Newcastle, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 4,  on fire,  heavy damage
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,106
  
 Japanese aircraft
 G3M Nell x 17
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 G3M Nell: 7 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CA Indianapolis, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
 AK Memphis City, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 AK Mana, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
  
  
 Allied ground losses:
 133 casualties reported
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  1 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,107
  
 Japanese aircraft
 G3M Nell x 11
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 G3M Nell: 3 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CA Cornwall
 CLAA Caledon
 DD Paladin
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  3 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
  4 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
  4 x G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/20/42
 
 
 ASW attack at 87,107
  
 Japanese Ships
 SS I-169, hits 3,  on fire
  
 Allied Ships
 DD Stack
 DD Cummings
 DD Case
 DD Conyngham
 DD Dale
 DD Worden
  
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 ASW attack at 87,107
  
 Japanese Ships
 SS I-169, hits 3,  heavy damage
  
 Allied Ships
 AK Oklahoman
 DD Kilty
 DD Brooks
 DD Humphreys
 DD Gilmer
 DMS Lamberton
 DMS Perry
 DMS Long
 DMS Wasmuth
 AP Le Maire
  
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,108
  
 Japanese aircraft
 B5N Kate x 12
  
 Allied aircraft
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 2
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 B5N Kate: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
  
  
 Allied Ships
 AK Santa Elisa, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
 DMS Zane
 DMS Trevor
 AP J. Franklin Bell, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire
  
  
 Allied ground losses:
 38 casualties reported
 Guns lost 1
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,108
  
 Japanese aircraft
 D3A Val x 4
 B5N Kate x 6
  
 Allied aircraft
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 2
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 D3A Val: 1 damaged
  
  
 Allied Ships
 DD Kilty
 DD Brooks
 AP Van Imhoff, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
  
  
 Allied ground losses:
 12 casualties reported
 Guns lost 1
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,108
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 91
 A6M3 Zero x 18
 D3A Val x 74
 B5N Kate x 78
  
 Allied aircraft
 F4F-4 Wildcat x 2
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
 D3A Val: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged
 B5N Kate: 5 destroyed, 20 damaged
  
 Allied aircraft losses
 F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Hornet, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 6,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CA Louisville, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire
 CA Canberra
 CL Perth, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CLAA Atlanta, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire
 DD Monaghan
 CA Chester
 CL Tromp
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  5 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,108
  
 Japanese aircraft
 B5N Kate x 4
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 B5N Kate: 2 destroyed
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Day Air attack on TF at 87,108
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 9
 D3A Val x 27
 B5N Kate x 17
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 D3A Val: 2 damaged
 B5N Kate: 3 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CA Indianapolis, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 AK Fairfield City, Bomb hits 4,  on fire
 AK Mokihana, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
 AK Benkalis, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire
 AK Soerabaja, Torpedo hits 4,  on fire,  heavy damage
 AK Paz, Bomb hits 1
  
  
 Allied ground losses:
 377 casualties reported
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
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 Day Air attack on TF at 87,108
  
 Japanese aircraft
 B5N Kate x 27
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 B5N Kate: 4 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CA Vincennes, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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 Day Air attack on TF at 87,108
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 6
 B5N Kate x 18
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 B5N Kate: 4 destroyed, 7 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CA Portland, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire
 AK Senang, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
 AK Mormacdove, Torpedo hits 1
 AK Mormacland
  
  
 Allied ground losses:
 72 casualties reported
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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 Day Air attack on TF at 95,62
  
  
 Allied aircraft
 P-39D Airacobra x 9
 B-24D Liberator x 28
  
  
 No Allied losses
  
 Japanese Ships
 MSW Seki Maru
 AK Raizan Maru
 AK Urashio Maru, Bomb hits 4,  on fire,  heavy damage
 AK Fuki Maru, Bomb hits 5,  on fire,  heavy damage
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
  1 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
  4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
  4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
  4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
  4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
  4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
  4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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 Day Air attack on TF at 87,108
  
 Japanese aircraft
 D3A Val x 82
 B5N Kate x 69
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 D3A Val: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
 B5N Kate: 4 destroyed, 29 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 CL Sumatra, Bomb hits 3,  on fire
 CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 4,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CA San Francisco
 DD Aaron Ward, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
 CA Northampton, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CA Australia, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
 CA Astoria, Torpedo hits 1
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  5 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  2 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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 Day Air attack on TF at 87,109
  
 Japanese aircraft
 A6M2 Zero x 104
 A6M3 Zero x 18
 B5N Kate x 4
  
 Japanese aircraft losses
 B5N Kate: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
  
 Allied Ships
 BB Mississippi, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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 Day Air attack on TF at 87,108
  
 Japanese aircraft
 B5N Kate x 18
  
 No Japanese losses
  
 Allied Ships
 CV Hornet,  on fire,  heavy damage
  
 Aircraft Attacking:
  2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
  4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
 
 
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Ursa MAior
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A bit OT unrealistic IMMENSE carrier battles

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Can someone explain why are these huge and completely unreal carrier battles happening all over the board? Why was it not so IRL?
 
THX in advance.
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