Rape of Nanking video

[spence]

I just watched a video/documentary on the Rape of Naking on Google Videos (should have posted the link - sorry bout that). Some interesting stuff on the fighting around Shanghai and Nanking in it, but a lot of it is just plain pretty gross...really gross in fact.

[Timmeh]

shoulda posted a link ....
 

Deer Son,
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[Timmeh]

Rape of Naking


The Horror, The Horror ...


Watching now, best quote sofar " to conquor the world first you must conquor China" Engrossing stuff, to be sure.

[spence]

The link

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=r ... king&hl=en

[tocaff]

Hard to understand how a society can develop and condone such behavior.

[DuckofTindalos]

Even the Nazis were disgusted and horrified...

[Sardaukar]

Did read a book about it recently...horrifying stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/Rape-Nanking-Iris-Chang/dp/0141007885/sr=1-1/qid=1167911250/ref=sr_1_1/002-7521771-6332832?ie=UTF8&s=books

 Like 2 IJA officers competing which one can lop off more heads with their swords etc...

[patrickl]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Even the Nazis were disgusted and horrified...

At least the Germans apologise and made compensation. The Japanese - made weak apologies and no compensation - even now.

Pat

[Nikademus]

Good book.

Emphasizes the de-humanizing effects of war.

[Big B]

ORIGINAL: spence

I just watched a video/documentary on the Rape of Naking on Google Videos (should have posted the link - sorry bout that). Some interesting stuff on the fighting around Shanghai and Nanking in it, but a lot of it is just plain pretty gross...really gross in fact.

I just finished watching it, thanks for the heads up Spence.

I was pretty familiar with the story (I thought) but I never knew all the details talked about here - nor how heavily involved Hirohito was, and how most of the higher ups got off scot-free.

I did know that this was (sadly)repeated over and over where ever the Japanese Military went all during the Second World War.

I guess I have no more to say about it that should be posted here.

[DuckofTindalos]

Heinous...

Despicable as the Japanese actions were, it's actually pretty interesting to look at the film itself and the techniques it uses to convey its message.

If it wasn't a historical fact that the Japanese murdered millions of Chinese, I'd be seriously doubtful as to the veracity of the film. It's horribly propagandistic.

[Nikademus]

I did know that this was (sadly)repeated over and over where ever the Japanese Military went all during the Second World War.

Not really. Nanking....even in China (where the worst of the IJA was brought out time and again) was pretty unique. (Thankfully) The book lays it all out in grisly detail. Even some of the participants arn't real sure on why things got so out of hand. (enough to shock even ardent Nazis)

[DuckofTindalos]

And apparently, the Chinese had Spitfires...

[Nikademus]

pardon?

[DuckofTindalos]

The video is cobbled together from many different clips, one of which is the old Battle of Britain footage of two Spitfires doing a wing-over.

Another clip shows Turkish troops firing artillery during WWI.

[Big B]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Heinous...

Despicable as the Japanese actions were, it's actually pretty interesting to look at the film itself and the techniques it uses to convey its message.

If it wasn't a historical fact that the Japanese murdered millions of Chinese, I'd be seriously doubtful as to the veracity of the film. It's horribly propagandistic.

I agree, and the footage of Spitfires (and the like) is counterproductive because it makes one want to laugh and scorn at a very serious subject, but unfortunately the rest is all too true.

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

I did know that this was (sadly)repeated over and over where ever the Japanese Military went all during the Second World War.

Not really. Nanking....even in China (where the worst of the IJA was brought out time and again) was pretty unique. (Thankfully) The book lays it all out in grisly detail. Even some of the participants arn't real sure on why things got so out of hand. (enough to shock even ardent Nazis)

I was referring to the pattern of incidents - not the vast scale necessarily.

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

The video is cobbled together from many different clips, one of which is the old Battle of Britain footage of two Spitfires doing a wing-over.

Another clip shows Turkish troops firing artillery during WWI.

Ah.....i've only read the book....havn't seen the video. [:)]

I was referring to the pattern of incidents - not the vast scale necessarily.

Ok....just wanted to clarify. Last thing we need is yet another thread reinforcing stereotypes. (i.e. bloodthirsty japs running around left and right cuttng off heads) Speaking of which....Clint's latest movie is generating quite the buzz.

[DuckofTindalos]

I'd actually like to see that one. Not particularly eager to see Flags of Our Fathers, but Letters might be interesting...

[Big B]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

I was referring to the pattern of incidents - not the vast scale necessarily.

Ok....just wanted to clarify. Last thing we need is yet another thread reinforcing stereotypes. (i.e. bloodthirsty japs running around left and right cuttng off heads) Speaking of which....Clint's latest movie is generating quite the buzz.

Really? Why is that?
I haven't seen the movie - seriously doubt I ever will ...(without failure, I have been let down or otherwise unimpressed with just about everything Hollywierd has been putting out for a long time now, and I'm no real fan of Eastwood these days either)

So what's the buzz?

[DuckofTindalos]

Letters from Iwo Jima is the companion to Flags of Our Fathers, and is told entirely from the Japanese point of view.