Helpless (Allied) vs Castor Troy (Jpn) / BigB 1.3

[castor troy]

Seems Helpless and me have just gotten into the discussion phase again. Half an hour of the acception of my surrender my opponent has sent me an email offering me to redo the turn with the P38s downgraded to other fighters as he missed this sentense in the design notes.

Should I go on with my rant PBEM? [:D]

[ny59giants]

quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

I'll be your Allied opponent if you want.
However, I will miss reading your AAR and your rants.[:D]

Seriously?

You would then get my rants exclusively by email! [:D][:D]

As long as I get to 9am EST (I live within the American eastern time zone) to check my e-mails and get them before the whole world gets access to them. I'm fine with them (I am a Crisis Counselor for Children/Adolescents IRL and am use to dealing with rants). If the time comes to find an opponent, I'm game.

[Big B]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

Seems Helpless and me have just gotten into the discussion phase again. Half an hour of the acception of my surrender my opponent has sent me an email offering me to redo the turn with the P38s downgraded to other fighters as he missed this sentense in the design notes.

Should I go on with my rant PBEM? [:D]

Personally - I think you would both be better off to have a rematch with 1.4 in a couple of days.

Most of the things that bothered you most have been addressed, and the air model looks (I think) much better...not to saying it's less "bloody", but Nate's and Oscar I's are very much worth while now, etc.

Also China will be far less capable of offensive action, and the Philippine Army will be less effective overall...

I'd say - cool off a few days and do a re-match.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

I'll be your Allied opponent if you want.
However, I will miss reading your AAR and your rants.[:D]

Seriously?

You would then get my rants exclusively by email! [:D][:D]

As long as I get to 9am EST (I live within the American eastern time zone) to check my e-mails and get them before the whole world gets access to them. I'm fine with them (I am a Crisis Counselor for Children/Adolescents IRL and am use to dealing with rants). If the time comes to find an opponent, I'm game.

Sounds good! Right now, Helpless and I am in the discussion phase![:D] Seems he didn´t take my surrender really seriously. Though with P38 at this date achieving kill rates against my best fighters of 12:1 then I really was serious with my surrender. It´s severe enough to face hundreds of those tough 4Es with P38s from October on. Looks like Helpless is wanting to redo the turn.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Big B

ORIGINAL: castor troy

Seems Helpless and me have just gotten into the discussion phase again. Half an hour of the acception of my surrender my opponent has sent me an email offering me to redo the turn with the P38s downgraded to other fighters as he missed this sentense in the design notes.

Should I go on with my rant PBEM? [:D]

Personally - I think you would both be better off to have a rematch with 1.4 in a couple of days.

Most of the things that bothered you most have been addressed, and the air model looks (I think) much better...not to saying it's less "bloody", but Nate's and Oscar I's are very much worth while now, etc.

Also China will be far less capable of offensive action, and the Philippine Army will be less effective overall...

I'd say - cool off a few days and do a re-match.

It would probably be the best choice to start off with 1.4 though I´m not a real fan of rematches without changing sides nor do I know if Helpless wants to. So for the moment it looks like we will redo the turn and the P38s are moved to the West Coast again. Actually I thought they wouldn´t do THAT good but losing 50 of my best Zeroes for the loss of only 4 Lightnings was too much for me to accept. If Helpless wants to he can close Rangoon anyway, with unescorted bombers only. [:D]

As said before, I really think that 1.31 works very good! The fighter vs fighter works very good and also fighter vs. bomber looks good. Of course there are too many 4Es in the next months, so I don´t know if my surrender is just postponed, but the A2A really is fine! That 50 Zeroes shouldn´t be able to take down 50 out of 75 attacking 4Es is good, not like in stock, the only problem is the 4E replacement rate starting now in June (which you have changed already in 1.4). Many things that frustrate me are not related to your mod, your mod is making me feel better, not more frustrated.

Perhaps you should ask Helpless if he wants to play with the real replacement numbers you had "in mind" and it was only a typo that he gets 150 4Es a month starting in 6/42. All of them with an armor rating of 2! Or keeping the number but reducing all the armor ratings of 2 back to 1 again! [;)]

[castor troy]

Like we are doing turns, we are also doing our discussions fast! Intense, but fast! [:D] So this is like another time anomaly as we have redone the last turn, with P38s transferred back to the West coast (by upgrading fighter squadrons there). Means we can at least take Burma before P38s will arrive in India. The 4Es alone will be tough enough... So the Japanese surrender, while ment serious, was an error!

So if you don´t mind, the rant will go on for some indefinite time. [;)]



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/11/42

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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
Ki-21 Sally x 87
Ki-49 Helen x 26
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E-1-CU Warhawk: 4 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 85

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet

my recon must be really bad! The airfield is reported as 42% damaged. Must be 100% with 150 hits from the bombardment and over 100 from the airattacks so far. It´s only a level 4 and Rangoon (level 7 was heavily damaged from "only" 85 hits).

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Day Air attack on Cebu , at 42,58

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 48
B5N Kate x 57
Ki-27 Nate x 35

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 42
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 69th Division, at 32,29


Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 9
A-20B Boston x 13
B-25C Mitchell x 40


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
100 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x A-20B Boston bombing at 13000 feet

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Day Air attack on 69th Division, at 32,29


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 13
Liberator III x 2
Hudson I x 3
B-17E Fortress x 25
LB-30 Liberator x 6
IL-4c x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 9000 feet


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Ground combat at Mandalay

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 177583 troops, 1460 guns, 1281 vehicles, Assault Value = 3541

Defending force 31562 troops, 48 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 712

Japanese max assault: 2966 - adjusted assault: 3371

Allied max defense: 676 - adjusted defense: 415

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Mandalay base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
2236 casualties reported
Guns lost 47
Vehicles lost 20

Allied ground losses:
2545 casualties reported
Guns lost 12


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

finally, far behind the planned date, we are able to take Mandalay....in all the games I had so far, it was the toughest nut with the forts outside the base not being able to be reduced.


Japanese troop parade after freeing Mandalay!



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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14282 troops, 462 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4024

Defending force 280155 troops, 1006 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8213



Allied ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3034 troops, 103 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4154

Defending force 40751 troops, 403 guns, 64 vehicles, Assault Value = 713



Allied ground losses:
85 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Sian

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 199532 troops, 528 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6271

Defending force 151934 troops, 1024 guns, 311 vehicles, Assault Value = 2468


Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported



The supply level at Rangoon is still at 11.000. No wonder that not more is brought in as the needed supply is just over 5.000. So this seems to be the problem and I don´t know why the needed supply is so low when I´m placing the most important HQ there and 200 fighters. In China I have bases with needed supply of 24.000 but only a minor HQ, a couple of base forces and 80 fighters there. I don´t understand it... I´m now moving the Southern Area HQ out!!! Going to Mandalay to support the attack on Myitkina. Perhaps supply needs at Rangoon go up then. If not, them I´m screwed as even if I bring in supplies, they are transferred out immediately... [:(] This is no rant, this is pure frustration...

[castor troy]

This game is really a complete up and down and I wonder more and more if my opponent and I are talking about different things or if it´s just the language barrier of two non native English speakers. [8|] I wanted to quit the game as P38s show up in India in June while they should stay on the West coast. I see them killing 50 high exp Zeroes for a loss of 4 Lightnings. [:o] So I surrender... Then Helpless tells me he wanted to redo the turn, with the P38s sent to the West coast immediately. Now, two turns later 36 P38s sweep an airfield in Burma! [:(] Is this a bad joke or what? The longer I play I really wonder if it´s worth to invest all the time in this PBEM. With discussions on and on about house rules we agreed at start, about me doing "gamey" attacks, me replying about the super tactic of stacking all troops on all fronts in one base, giving up all territory without A SINGLE figth (and then I´m just told this is perfectly historic).

We are now in June 42 and I´ve got not a single chance so far to achieve the historical conquers because on the four fronts so far I had to fight at ONE base against all the available troops in the region. 4000 assault points at Manila (not enough after three months of daily bombing with 150 Sallies). In Burma, more than 4000 assault points fighting in a wooden hex against forts that can´t be reduced. In Java no chance with nearly 2000 assault points because all troops on Java are immediately sent to Soerabaja to build forts in the wooden hex. If it´s historic to move everything to Soerabaja without a single fight then I also want to see the historic case of being completely out of supply without receiving any for five months. Not to talk about the 20.000+ Chinese assault points that were on the move in China.

I can´t take the rest of Timor due to the 100 4Es in Darwin, I can´t take Amboina due to the same reason. I have 60% of my Navy fighters in Rangoon and after one unescorted attack everthing is destroyed, I have 30% of my Navy fighters in Kendari and after one attack everything is destroyed. The 10% rest of the available Navy fighters sits in the Pacific. What I´m experiencing atthe moment is a situation I don´t even face in late 43 in my other games as there I´m not completely on the receiving end. Not to talk about the fact what I´m doing with unescorted strikes... I must have been making a lot of bad mistakes in this PBEM...


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/12/42

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Naval bombardment of Amboina, at 39,73

Japanese Ships
CA Nachi
CA Myoko
CA Maya
CA Atago
CA Takao
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
BB Mutsu


Allied ground losses:
501 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 145
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 8
Port supply hits 13

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Day Air attack on Kungchang , at 46,26

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-21 Sally x 135
Ki-46-II Dinah x 6

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 13
I-16c x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 30 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
I-16c: 3 damaged
SB-2c: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 75

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet

I´m really lucky again. Sally fails to find target... Oh great, no, wait... the rest goes in! With 3 out of the 27 escorting Zeroes... and of course the Chinese bombers are out for a strike, so we find the airfield empty

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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30


Allied aircraft
A-20B Boston x 15
B-25C Mitchell x 50


Allied aircraft losses
A-20B Boston: 8 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
1772 casualties reported
Guns lost 46

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 71

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x A-20B Boston bombing at 13000 feet
44 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 13000 feet

1772 casualties???? 65 2E bombers?
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 31
Liberator III x 3
Hudson I x 8
B-17E Fortress x 30
LB-30 Liberator x 11
IL-4c x 5


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 8 damaged
Liberator III: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 6 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged
IL-4c: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
926 casualties reported
Guns lost 22

Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 117

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 8000 feet

3800 casualties at Mandalay! There are 8 AA regiments and 5 IJA base forces. They are all around 30% disabled now... [8|] After one attack... The Allied bombers lose the whopping number of 3!!!!! to flak today... My opponent doesn´t need B29s, the bombers in mid 42 do the job just perfect. And not to forget that the 90 Wellington III weren´t in the air today...


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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30


Allied aircraft
P-38E/F Lightning x 36


No Allied losses

I should have not redone the last turn and should have just quit the game...[8|] Perhaps I will get the explanation that this sweep isn´t a problem because the airfield was empty anyway... [:-]


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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 42
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 5
B-17E Fortress x 78
B-24D Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed, 20 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 8 destroyed, 21 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 16 destroyed
Ki-49 Helen: 6 destroyed
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 destroyed
E7K2 Alf: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F-5A Lightning: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 13 destroyed, 52 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 89

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 13000 feet


I have 160+ fighters at Kendari. 78 decide to go up (Cap 90% 15.000 ft). I´m not as lucky as the Chinese and the bombers that are ordered to attack Amboina don´t fly and get destroyed on the ground. The attacking bombers aren´t suffering at all IMO. Many Zeroes are destroyed. Looking at the base there are so few operational aircraft that 100% must have been destroyed or damaged with this attack (a couple of them are repaired after the replay). The bomber units there have all around 3-5 planes undamaged. Same goes for the Zeroes. We have 350 air support at the base. Several AA regiments. The base isn´t operational for offensive actions anymore with an airfield damage of 78 and an airbase damage of 43! And this after one unescorted long range strike of 13 hexes against the second best defended Japanese base on the map. [8|]



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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 178
D3A Val x 58
B5N Kate x 96
G4M1 Betty x 9
Ki-27 Nate x 35

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
149 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 168

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 35th Division, at 47,29


Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 10


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
6 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 26th Division, at 47,29


Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 13


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
6 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 208376 troops, 2132 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 4169

Defending force 40613 troops, 397 guns, 64 vehicles, Assault Value = 709

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 8

Japanese max assault: 3692 - adjusted assault: 2691

Allied max defense: 699 - adjusted defense: 1429

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 8)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 8


Japanese ground losses:
3002 casualties reported
Guns lost 97
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1366 casualties reported
Guns lost 62
Vehicles lost 1

first attack of my troops at Soerabaja. I expect to take about 25.000+ losses until the base falls. Another division is coming in in the next three days which brings my assault value up to 4500! More than twice as many as I usually need to take Java (which I tried after the fall of Singapore in March).


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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14297 troops, 463 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3503

Defending force 280266 troops, 1004 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8224



Allied ground losses:
123 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Sian

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 199836 troops, 527 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6912

Defending force 158592 troops, 1032 guns, 746 vehicles, Assault Value = 2710


Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

[castor troy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/13/42

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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30


Allied aircraft
A-20B Boston x 9
B-25C Mitchell x 43


Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
212 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 38

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x A-20B Boston bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 5
Wellington III x 35
F-5A Lightning x 2


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged
Wellington III: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
F-5A Lightning: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
257 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 35

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Wellington III bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 20
Liberator III x 5
Hudson I x 9
B-17E Fortress x 20
LB-30 Liberator x 11
IL-4c x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator III: 2 damaged
Hudson I: 2 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged
IL-4c: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
241 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 33

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 8000 feet

total Allied losses today: 3 planes... [:D]

And this is how my average "support LCU" looks like at Mandalay... after two turns of bomber attacks...




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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 178
D3A Val x 55
B5N Kate x 96
G4M1 Betty x 8
Ki-27 Nate x 36

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
165 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 126
Port hits 5
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet

I would need room for over 1000 aircraft to train... most of the veteran pilots were killed by enemy bombers so far... not the fighters are the problem, except the P38 of course...[:D]

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Day Air attack on 10th Division, at 47,29


Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 18


Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 186772 troops, 2033 guns, 29 vehicles, Assault Value = 3950

Defending force 38754 troops, 320 guns, 60 vehicles, Assault Value = 632



Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

deliberate attack next turn again...

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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14273 troops, 460 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3501

Defending force 280317 troops, 1006 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8233



Allied ground losses:
130 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Sian

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 219548 troops, 582 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7379

Defending force 180828 troops, 1287 guns, 754 vehicles, Assault Value = 3187


Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported

wonder where Helpless will attack first in this area...

[castor troy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/14/42

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Day Air attack on Sian , at 47,29

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 33
Liberator III x 5
Hudson I x 10
B-17E Fortress x 23
LB-30 Liberator x 11
IL-4c x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 4 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
163 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 34

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 14000 feet

one Allied bomber lost today. Base is 100% damaged.

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Day Air attack on Cebu , at 42,58

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 48
B5N Kate x 57
Ki-27 Nate x 35

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 44

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Sian , at 47,29

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses

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TF 84 troops unloading over beach at Kuala, 20,43


Japanese ground losses:
152 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 33,29

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 175305 troops, 1421 guns, 1283 vehicles, Assault Value = 3441

Defending force 40 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 6284 - adjusted assault: 7611

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 7611 to 1



Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 204173 troops, 2012 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 3975

Defending force 38629 troops, 317 guns, 60 vehicles, Assault Value = 631

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 7

Japanese max assault: 3448 - adjusted assault: 3880

Allied max defense: 597 - adjusted defense: 1517

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 7)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 7


Japanese ground losses:
2541 casualties reported
Guns lost 31
Vehicles lost 4

Allied ground losses:
1096 casualties reported
Guns lost 40
Vehicles lost 4

why isn´t the fort reduced by 2 levels. First the eng reduce one level. Shouldn´t a 2:1 also reduce one level? [&:]


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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14282 troops, 460 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3500

Defending force 280502 troops, 1006 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8242



Allied ground losses:
66 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 48,29

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 68150 troops, 652 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 2089

Defending force 39462 troops, 89 guns, 102 vehicles, Assault Value = 1310

Japanese max assault: 1124 - adjusted assault: 290

Allied max defense: 1337 - adjusted defense: 706

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
2272 casualties reported
Guns lost 29
Vehicles lost 5

Allied ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

I´m shock attacking into my own hex.

[castor troy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/15/42

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TF 1001 encounters mine field at Manila (43,52)

Allied Ships
SS O24, Mine hits 1

[8|] another six reported subs enter Manila. One hits a mine and isn´t on fire nor heavily damaged. Shouldn´t a mine be a real problem for a sub? [8|] My three MLs all sunk immediately after hitting a single mine.



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Day Air attack on Homan , at 49,30

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 24
Ki-21 Sally x 206

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 38
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 189

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kungchang , at 46,26

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 9
I-16c x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 5 destroyed
I-16c: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 46
B-17E Fortress x 63
B-24D Liberator x 6


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 54

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Hudson I bombing at 9000 feet

63 B17 are already operational again. I damaged 50+ during the attack on Kendari 3 days ago. And those attacking here are the same bombergroups says the replay. [8|] The best weapon you can ever get: a US heavy bomber!

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 178
G4M1 Betty x 8
Ki-27 Nate x 35

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 118

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 6th Reserve Tank Regiment, at 34,28


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 20
Wellington III x 27
Liberator III x 3
Hudson I x 3
B-17E Fortress x 12
LB-30 Liberator x 3
IL-4c x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 7

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Reserve Tank Regiment, at 34,28


Allied aircraft
A-20B Boston x 7
B-25C Mitchell x 11


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x A-20B Boston bombing at 4000 feet
11 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Reserve Tank Regiment, at 34,28


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 3
Wellington III x 15


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 15th Division, at 47,29


Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 26


Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 8th Tank Regiment, at 34,28


Allied aircraft
A-20B Boston x 6
B-25C Mitchell x 19


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x A-20B Boston bombing at 4000 feet
19 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd Tank Regiment, at 34,28


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 9
Liberator III x 3
Hudson I x 4
B-17E Fortress x 3
LB-30 Liberator x 4
IL-4c x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

privileg of the Allied side, perfectly dispersed ground attacks again disrupt most units.


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 184942 troops, 1965 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 3802

Defending force 36910 troops, 236 guns, 54 vehicles, Assault Value = 575



Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

I just checked the supply levels on Java! My three attacks so far have used more than 35.000 supplies!!! [X(][X(][X(] I´m shocked at the moment. There´s nearly no supply left on Java and my troops are at 90% of their needed supply. Does a LCU use it´s full supply for an attack?????? I used around 10.000+ supplies for each attack.


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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14327 troops, 462 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3500

Defending force 280642 troops, 1000 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8260



Allied ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Kuala

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1361 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 43

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 44 - adjusted assault: 12

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kuala base !!!



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Ground combat at 48,29

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 3294 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1943

Defending force 39316 troops, 88 guns, 99 vehicles, Assault Value = 1302

Japanese max assault: 32 - adjusted assault: 5

Allied max defense: 1325 - adjusted defense: 1141

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

another base force shock attacks into my own hex... [>:]

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Ground combat at 34,28

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 33333 troops, 56 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 673

Defending force 32066 troops, 91 guns, 1255 vehicles, Assault Value = 928

Allied max assault: 573 - adjusted assault: 69

Japanese max defense: 820 - adjusted defense: 1461

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 18

Allied ground losses:
1101 casualties reported
Guns lost 21

The Allied troops tried to kick my tank units out. 2 Allied units are already on the trails towards India. Means Helpless doesn´t even try to defend Myitkina. If we can´t get another one or two attacks then his troops won´t really suffer and I will see them back in three or four months backed up by another 2000 assault points out of India.

[castor troy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/16/42

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ASW attack near Amboina at 39,73

Japanese Ships
DD Natsushio
DD Oyashio
DD Kuroshio
DD Kagero

Allied Ships
SS Trusty, hits 2


Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported

My recons spotted two ships at Amboina. Identified as AKs! Two subs actually. Wonder how many sightings were in WWII when a sub was misidentified as an AK! [:D] Another evacuation sub transport as it happens all around the map. Trusty gets "hit" by two near misses.

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Day Air attack on Homan , at 49,30

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 45
Ki-21 Sally x 227

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 damaged


Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported

Airbase hits 21
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 272

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet

Would say not a bad damage...

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 178
G4M1 Betty x 9
Ki-27 Nate x 35

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 101

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 33,29


Allied aircraft
Liberator III x 4
B-17E Fortress x 11
LB-30 Liberator x 8


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator III: 4 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Liberator III bombing at 6000 feet


no 4E lost....

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Here comes the action of the day!

Sub attack at 83,127

Japanese Ships
SS I-27

Allied Ships
CA San Francisco
CVE Long Island
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Hughes
DD Shaw
DD Maury
DD Jarvis
DD Helm

Looks like I hit the bad luck side of the die again. I-27 fires 6 torps at CA San Francisco and all torps miss. Perhaps I should look at everything from the other side! Hey man, I´m a lucky guy, my sub wasn´t sunk! Two torps into San Francisco would have been worth losing the sub though. Would love to have some statistics in the game. Following my feeling then 75% of all shots at warships were misses so far. At least now I know why my subs in this area are spotted by Dauntless all the time. This is a hunter killer group with the Long Island in it. What a pity I don´t have some carriers in the area. The TF is in range of my 108 Betties at Noumea though, never seen an attack so far... Of course I won´t see any transports in this area as they surely take a complete different route.


The lucky San Francisco: Is this camouflage on the belt or does she just need some new paint?



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TF 84 troops unloading over beach at Sabang, 19,41


Japanese ground losses:
109 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 201213 troops, 1937 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 3838

Defending force 36554 troops, 237 guns, 52 vehicles, Assault Value = 572

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 6

Japanese max assault: 3337 - adjusted assault: 3294

Allied max defense: 525 - adjusted defense: 1087

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 6)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 6


Japanese ground losses:
1600 casualties reported
Guns lost 62
Vehicles lost 4

Allied ground losses:
1076 casualties reported
Guns lost 26
Vehicles lost 4

I get a 3:1, the forts are reduced by one before by engineers. Why aren´t the forts never reduced by another level with those odds I achieve? This would mean I would need at least 9 attacks to completely reduce the forts! [&:]


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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14324 troops, 463 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3505

Defending force 280429 troops, 995 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8263



Allied ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

[castor troy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/17/42

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ASW attack near Nukufetau island at 87,103

Japanese Ships
SS I-29

Allied Ships
DD Whipple
MSW Penguin

Oops! Another "miss spotting"! An Emily spotted AKs at Nukufetau so I sent in a sub at full speed which gets attacked by two ASW ships... Tomorrow two IJN CAs and four DDs will join the party. Hopefully the TF is still at the base then.


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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 150
D3A Val x 58
B5N Kate x 96
G4M1 Betty x 9
Ki-27 Nate x 34

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
262 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 105
Port hits 5
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Cebu , at 42,58

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 48
B5N Kate x 57
Ki-27 Nate x 35

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 39
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 15th Division, at 47,29


Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 17


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 35th Division, at 47,29


Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 9


Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB-2c bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 34,28


Allied aircraft
Liberator III x 5
B-17E Fortress x 17
LB-30 Liberator x 5


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator III: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator III bombing at 6000 feet

no 4E lost...

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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-21 Sally x 49
Ki-49 Helen x 57
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 67

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14277 troops, 463 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3505

Defending force 280373 troops, 992 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8277



Allied ground losses:
68 casualties reported


Allied assault value still goes up by a dozen points every turn. AA is also still firing so I wonder when will this base run out of supplies???

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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3054 troops, 105 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3697

Defending force 34968 troops, 184 guns, 45 vehicles, Assault Value = 512



Allied ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at Sabang

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1060 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 34

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 33 - adjusted assault: 10

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Sabang base !!!



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[X(][X(][X(]

Ground combat at Sian

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 241608 troops, 647 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7431

Defending force 180521 troops, 1284 guns, 749 vehicles, Assault Value = 3184

Allied max assault: 7634 - adjusted assault: 3963

Japanese max defense: 3189 - adjusted defense: 4221

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
4872 casualties reported
Guns lost 92
Vehicles lost 12

Allied ground losses:
6039 casualties reported
Guns lost 197

This is the attack I feared for days already. Looks like it was a good decision to move in my tanks and two further divisions. My troops arrived just a few turns ago. I really have to wonder why this attack wasn´t order far earlier! I lost 17 points in Japanese ground losses, the Allied around 30 but they lose around 15 every day (probably from the Manila starving). So the points for destroyed ground troops here must have been pretty equal.

What I just can´t understand is the fact that my 4 HQs all have suffered more than 30% of losses... [8|] Why on earth are always the HQs the units that take the majority of the losses for a defender? I know that always the first units in your stack are hit the most but does this make sense to ANYONE here on the forum (including developers!). I don´t want to rant, I just want to "understand" what people thought when designing something like that.

Can someone explain me why an Army with nearly 200.000 troops suffers 90% of the casualties from such a fight in it´s HQ units. Sorry, this is just wrong...[:-] When I look at all my inf units at Sian, then none of them suffered more than 3% of disablements... [8|] But the four HQs in the lead are shredded, another attack and they are far below 50% disablements and I have to withdraw them if I don´t want to have them completely destroyed. As this only always happens to the defender, it would be better not to have HQs in a hex to minimize losses. Of course then you are hit by some mysterious die roll that completely cuts down your adjusted assault value.

I just don´t get it why HQ units suffer the most, I bet the designer can´t explain it himself... [8|]

[castor troy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/18/42

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nukufetau island at 87,103

Japanese Ships
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 3
CA Furutaka
DD Yukikaze
DD Hayashio, Shell hits 1
DD Maikaze
DD Amatsukaze

Allied Ships
DD Whipple, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AV Tangier, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
MSW Penguin, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Nukufetau Island was obviously only used as a patrol plane base. Replay went into some loop during the attack on MSW Penguin as it was hit by 17 8inch shells and 3!! torps.. Pretty overkill... DD Whipple was the first target of the CAs and was sunk quickly at a range of 6000.

USS Tangier was sunk in a night battle:



USS Tangier (AV-8), 1941-1961
USS Tangier, first of a class of three 11,760-ton seaplane tenders, was launched at Oakland, California, in 1939 as the merchant ship Sea Arrow. Taken over by the Navy in 1940, she remained at her builders' for conversion work and went into full commission in August 1941. Tangier went to Pearl Harbor in November and was employed supporting the expanded force of patrol seaplanes based there during a time of increasing tensions with Japan. She was present during the 7 December 1941 air raid on Pearl Harbor and was slightly damaged when a Japanese bomb exploded nearby.

About a week later, Tangier was sent toward Wake Island with supplies for its Marine garrison, but was recalled when Wake was captured by Japanese forces on 23 December. In February 1942, the tender steamed to the south Pacific, where she stayed until June, maintaining seaplane patrols out of Noumea, New Caledonia. Her planes played a supporting role in the May 1942 Battle of the Coral Sea.

Following a west coast overhaul, Tangier again was based in the south Pacific in February-August 1943, then served on transport duty between the war zone and the United States. From March 1944 until June 1945, the ship's base moved steadily forward from Australia to the Philippines as her seaplanes assisted the Seventh Fleet and General MacArthur's forces during their advance across New Guinea and northwards.

Tangier was receiving the attentions of a stateside shipyard when the Pacific War ended in August 1945, but was sent back to the Far East to support occupation efforts from October 1945 into March 1946. She then made the long trip back to the U.S., passing through the Panama Canal and arriving at Norfolk, Virginia, in late April. The next month, she began deactivation at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Tangier decommissioned there in February 1947 and remained in the Atlantic Reserve Fleet until 1961. In November of that year, she was sold for scrapping.


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ASW attack at 31,70

Japanese Ships
MSW W.19
MSW W.7
MSW W.10

Allied Ships
SS Cachalot

sub not found...

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Day Air attack on Sian , at 47,29

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on Mandalay , at 33,30


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 47
Liberator III x 8
Hudson I x 12
B-17E Fortress x 20
LB-30 Liberator x 10
IL-4c x 7


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 2 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
619 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 58

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x IL-4c bombing at 12000 feet

One Blenheim was lost due to ops today. Only Allied bomber loss. 5 AA regiments and 4 base forces manage to damage 3 attacking bombers while suffering 600+ casualties. [8|] Not bombers have to fear AA but AA has to fear bombers in this game. The best decision of Matrix was to call WITP a game, not a simulation! [:D]

In comparison I lost 5 out of 48 high exp Oscars flying LRCAP to Sian (range 4) to intercept Chinese bombers. Not surprisingly, exactly this turn the base of the bombers was clouded and they didn´t fly so we lost 5 Oscars for nothing (including 3 pilots). A 80 exp. IJA pilot is either a flying idiot or the IJA planes were comparable to the early models of the brothers Wright! While knowing that Op losses happened alot I wonder if it really was normal to lose 10%+ of the planes that were launched when not even facing enemy fighters nor flak... LRCAP must be some VERY dangerous mission... [:o]

Moved the Southern area HQ into Mandalay, supply is at 8000! [:D] No reason to complain, as the needed supply there is only 3000....[:D]


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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 78
A6M3 Zero x 25
D3A Val x 41
B5N Kate x 24
G4M1 Betty x 9
Ki-27 Nate x 34

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 65
Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Cebu , at 42,58

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 24
B5N Kate x 45
Ki-27 Nate x 35

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Runway hits 21
Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 6th Central Army Corps, at 48,29

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 25
Ki-21 Sally x 186

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
186 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet

soooo.... Doesn´t the manual say that ground attacks target the unit with the highest assault value? ALL my bombers that took off for ground attack (never as many as on airfield attack launch) attack A HQ UNIT! This is the hex where I have to shock attack into (the one I originally owned..). There are six units! 1 HQ, 1 tank regiment, 5 divisions. So ALL the attacking bombers decide to attack the HQ unit with an assault value of 0! [8|] Only the Allied bombers have the privileg to disperse and attack more than one unit and disrupting them all. My bombers focus on ONE unit and to make it completely laughable they focus on a target without any combat troops! Perhaps we should compare the losses. The 100 Allied bombers cause 600+ casualties at Mandalay, the 180 IJA bombers cause 180 casualties with this attack. Whopping one casualty (disabled) for an attacking bomber. I don´t face any flak fire and lose 6 Sallies to ops (there is no daitai with exp below 75, in fact there are mostly 85+ exp daitais). The 100 Allied bombers lose 1 bomber to ops attacking a target with 5 AA regiments and 4 base forces...




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Day Air attack on Sian , at 47,29

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-21 Sally x 48
Ki-49 Helen x 56
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 71

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
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Ground combat at 48,29

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 96403 troops, 1059 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 1949

Defending force 54784 troops, 122 guns, 100 vehicles, Assault Value = 1782



Allied ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 5


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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14287 troops, 462 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3510

Defending force 280550 troops, 993 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8280



Allied ground losses:
101 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3060 troops, 106 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4224

Defending force 34616 troops, 179 guns, 45 vehicles, Assault Value = 504



Allied ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 1

deliberate attack next turn...

[ny59giants]

A lot of the process done by the AI involves the unit ID number. For LCU's, the HQ units have a lower ID and thus are subjects to attacks first (land and by air). When it comes to naval units, the lower numbers are looked at first when it comes to expending shipyard repair points. Thus, CV's are 1st, BB's are 2nd, etc. I would imagine it is a software thing. [&:][&:]

On the question of mines inflicting damage, there was a thread some time ago that explained the differences that each type have. I just had a DD hit a mine early in the game in a shallow hex next to Jolo and sunk with 1 hit.[:(][:(]

I had SS Shark launch 4 torpedo attacks against an AK off the north coast of Luzon and none exploded. [:@][:@]  However, my opponent is not happy with my sub and PT Boat success so far in 12/41. [:D][:D]

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

A lot of the process done by the AI involves the unit ID number. For LCU's, the HQ units have a lower ID and thus are subjects to attacks first (land and by air). When it comes to naval units, the lower numbers are looked at first when it comes to expending shipyard repair points. Thus, CV's are 1st, BB's are 2nd, etc. I would imagine it is a software thing. [&:][&:]

On the question of mines inflicting damage, there was a thread some time ago that explained the differences that each type have. I just had a DD hit a mine early in the game in a shallow hex next to Jolo and sunk with 1 hit.[:(][:(]

I had SS Shark launch 4 torpedo attacks against an AK off the north coast of Luzon and none exploded. [:@][:@]  However, my opponent is not happy with my sub and PT Boat success so far in 12/41. [:D][:D]

That explains why HQs are attacked first but it still doesn´t make any sense to me that the units that usually take the lowest damage in real life take the highest damage in the game. [:-] Perhaps it makes sense to someone else, for me (RonS club member) it doesn´t make ANY sense at all. If the ground combat is so bad designed that units with the lowest ID in the database take the most damage then I´m not surprised anymore that it works so bad...

For sure: a HQ unit should not be the unit that should take the most damage when you are attacked by your enemy!!!

[spence]

I had SS Shark launch 4 torpedo attacks against an AK off the north coast of Luzon and none exploded

Forgot the name of the sub but IIRC one US sub fired off its whole load of torps at a big factory ship acheiving numerous hits but all torps were duds. Just to spice up things a little I think one was a circular run to boot.

[ny59giants]

In an abstract sort of way it does. Maybe not as much if you look at combat in the WW2 way, but look at how the USA took out Iraq twice. The mission of the LBA's and then the LCU's was to take out the Command and Control of the military. Without effective leadership, your combat units are less effective. In WitP that is reflected in the amount of support your units need to function well and that comes mainly from HQ's. If the HQ's are weakened, then your combat strenght is also weakened.

If the top few LCU's got hit then only those units would be weakened and not the whole stack of units. Then everyone would break down there top few infantry units to Brigades/Regiments and only one division would be knocked out of combat. With the HQ's taking the hit, the whole stack is weakeneed (less support).

I'm not saying I support this way to resolve combat, but this is the way I see it being done.

FYI - I made my 1001 post on your AAR and earned my "Matrix Legion of Merit" with you. [:D]

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

In an abstract sort of way it does. Maybe not as much if you look at combat in the WW2 way, but look at how the USA took out Iraq twice. The mission of the LBA's and then the LCU's was to take out the Command and Control of the military. Without effective leadership, your combat units are less effective. In WitP that is reflected in the amount of support your units need to function well and that comes mainly from HQ's. If the HQ's are weakened, then your combat strenght is also weakened.

If the top few LCU's got hit then only those units would be weakened and not the whole stack of units. Then everyone would break down there top few infantry units to Brigades/Regiments and only one division would be knocked out of combat. With the HQ's taking the hit, the whole stack is weakeneed (less support).

I'm not saying I support this way to resolve combat, but this is the way I see it being done.

FYI - I made my 1001 post on your AAR and earned my "Matrix Legion of Merit" with you. [:D]

congrats on your 1000th post! [:D]

So far I have seen far more effect if the inf units are disrupted instead of going after the HQs. One bomber attack on an LCU and it is 50% disrupted easily. Means if I could get my 200 bombers to attack 3 different Chinese LCUs in this hex (out of 6 combat units) and they drop by 50% combat strength then I could drive them out. Though if my bombers attack the HQ I don´t think I will be able to drive them out.

[castor troy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/19/42

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Day Air attack on Sian , at 47,29

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 78
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 9
A6M3 Zero x 21
D3A Val x 41
B5N Kate x 24
G4M1 Betty x 9
Ki-27 Nate x 34

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
114 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 105
Port hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Cebu , at 42,58

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 24
B5N Kate x 41
Ki-27 Nate x 35

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 23rd Mixed Brigade, at 35,28


Allied aircraft
Liberator III x 6
B-17E Fortress x 19
LB-30 Liberator x 4


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator III: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
130 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator III bombing at 12000 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th Division, at 34,28


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 7
Wellington III x 17


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged
Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
92 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet

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Day Air attack on 68th Division, at 34,28


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
Wellington III x 22


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 29th Regional Army Corps, at 48,29

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 24
Ki-21 Sally x 164

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
276 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 93rd Regional Army Corps, at 48,29

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3
Ki-21 Sally x 46

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
92 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
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ASW attack at 78,126

Japanese Ships
SS I-27, hits 3

Allied Ships
DD Smith
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Russell

looks like another DD group operates in the area South of the Fidjis. They are spotted and at the end of the turn they attack my sub. Sitting in range of my Betties in Noumea but those guys are not cooperating! But hey, I´m lucky again. One real hit but the sub will live on (if it´s not attacked tomorrow [:D]).


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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 222413 troops, 2134 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 4267

Defending force 34514 troops, 171 guns, 44 vehicles, Assault Value = 501

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Japanese max assault: 3749 - adjusted assault: 3968

Allied max defense: 460 - adjusted defense: 901

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 5)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 5


Japanese ground losses:
1997 casualties reported
Guns lost 27
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1296 casualties reported
Guns lost 30
Vehicles lost 4

I reread the manual about reducing of forts. The only way to reduce fort levels by more than one with your attack you have to SHOCK ATTACK. With a shock attack I would have reduced the forts by 4 this turn (one with my eng and 3 for the odds over 1:1). Of course if you are lucky also your engineers can reduce multiple fort levels in one turn. BB bombardment going in next turn and I also have ordered a shock attack. Want to see Soerabaja falling next turn. Far too late anyway! Tough nut, never needed the equivalent of 9 Japanese divisions to take Java. Seems the only possible way to bring so many troops when you face all your enemies in one hex right from the start. Lesson learnt...

Looking at what happened so far I really can say that the "stack everything into one hex tacitc" worked perfectly. Though this tactic only works if you face a "dumb" player like me who never experienced such a tactic. It´s probable that I will start PBEMs in the future and if I would face the same tactic again then my opponent will be screwed pretty fast. Manila? I would place 1500 assault points (instead of 4000) there and let the Allied rot. Never order an attack, if an Allied attack comes then they will just be bleeded in the urban hex. No chance in the urban hex! So it will be bypassed and bombed by training units. The freed troops will go to Java, the more than 4000 points there will take Java easily then (like it is now). Not needed troops would go to Burma also which makes Burma fall far earlier than now. Then the troops from Java would land in Northern Australia.

All I can say is, if your opponent stacks everything in one place without trying to fight for the area he has to defend then either just block and bypass it (like the urban hex Manila) or come in brute force and the Allied stack will fall soon (like Java and Burma in my game). Just don´t hesitate to bring twice as many troops as you are used to. Take Burma, or Java, and then bring brute force to the next area. Against super stacking the "normal" numbers used in the game, not to talk about historical numbers, are not worth a try and all you get is shredded divisions like I´m having them.

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Ground combat at 48,29

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 96387 troops, 1056 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 1955

Defending force 54036 troops, 114 guns, 89 vehicles, Assault Value = 1761



Allied ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 4


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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14297 troops, 463 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3510

Defending force 280633 troops, 994 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8287



Allied ground losses:
76 casualties reported


Assault value still goes up. The airfield is 100% repaired again! [X(] Three days before I scored 270+ hits on the airfield! It´s a level 7 airfield! How many engineers are there? 1000? If there would be 1000 then wouldn´t they use A LOT of supplies? One sqad uses 2 supply points a day! Where the hell do they take so much supplies when I achieved 200 supply hits already and the base is cut off a long time already. Wonder if the base is repaired without supplies also! [:D]

[castor troy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/20/42

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Naval bombardment of Soerabaja, at 22,65 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

61 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
CA Nachi
CA Myoko, Shell hits 10
CA Maya, Shell hits 3
CA Atago
CA Takao, Shell hits 5
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
BB Mutsu


Allied ground losses:
692 casualties reported
Guns lost 18

after months of siege, bombardments from land, air and sea, the CD guns at Soerabaja still are very potent! CA Myoko and Maya both lost some of their armament... [8|]

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 39
B-17E Fortress x 51
B-24D Liberator x 22


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 91

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet

Helpless has received more than 100 4Es this month already. This means I will have Rangoon, Mandalay and for sure also Kendari closed soon. In India alone are 4 US bomber groups that will use 4Es only for sure. From Dacca the B24 can reach down to Hanoi, Bangkok... can´t place everywhere 250 fighters. Despite heavily researching the Tojo (234 rd) and the Tony (138 rd) none of the planes has moved a month. Still scheduled for 8/42 so the time from beginning of July until mid August will be a problem. We will then see if those fighters are dangerous enough to make at least unescorted Allied 4E strikes too costly. If not... then good bye...

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 78
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 11
A6M3 Zero x 22
D3A Val x 41
B5N Kate x 24
G4M1 Betty x 9
Ki-27 Nate x 35

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
77 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 85

Aircraft Attacking:
35 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Cebu , at 42,58

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 21
B5N Kate x 36
Ki-27 Nate x 32

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 18th Division, at 35,28


Allied aircraft
P-40C Tomahawk x 31
A-20B Boston x 9


Allied aircraft losses
A-20B Boston: 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A-20B Boston bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Mortar Battalion, at 35,28


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 31
Liberator III x 6
Hudson I x 4
LB-30 Liberator x 9
IL-4c x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed
Liberator III: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 1 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator III bombing at 12000 feet

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Ground combat at Soerabaja

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 207412 troops, 2084 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 4164

Defending force 31858 troops, 102 guns, 36 vehicles, Assault Value = 419

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Japanese max assault: 7044 - adjusted assault: 6316

Allied max defense: 330 - adjusted defense: 827

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Soerabaja base !!!



Allied aircraft
no flights


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
2905 casualties reported
Guns lost 70
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
45917 casualties reported
Guns lost 142
Vehicles lost 20

Soerabaja falls! 46000 Dutch troops account for 1000 points in Allied ground losses! [&o] As you can see, with brute force such a base will fall soon. With the 2000+ I had from the beginning of my Java invasion I just would have wrecked my troops. If I had ordered shock attacks right from the beginning I would have suffered even less casualties than with all my deliberate attacks as the forts only decreased by one all the time. New record for me playing the Japanese side. Never took Java sooooo late.[8|]


In real life KNIL Lt.Gen. Hein ter Poorten capitulated March 9. Only 8 days after the Japanese invasion began! [:D]



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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 14303 troops, 462 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3509

Defending force 280838 troops, 992 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8294



Allied ground losses:
96 casualties reported

For the moment the situation in the Sian-Homan-area looks good. As the Chinese weren´t able to drive me out of Sian I have a pretty solid defense around Homan. Will be hard for the Chinese to break through and hopefully some time the supply will be ending at Homan (IMO after all those attacks the Chinese should already be starving, but their numbers and assault value still goes up).