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[crsutton]

Ens. Parker sunk the Yamato.... I watched it on TV.[;)]

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: trollelite

No, remember musashi? It only sanks after some 18 torpedos... and after several hours. Its survivablilty definitely better than KGV class, which is reputed to be well-protected. POW fatally damaged and doomed after a single type 91 torpedo, this is in real world, not game. In this game yamaton class is a pure waste to resource. What a reasonable player would even build musashi, a pity.

The "yamaton" class was "a pure waste to resource" in real life as well...

Who cares?
It's the YAMATO!

[trollelite]

Ehrrr, I once heard someone say Japanese material claimed musashi was somewhat better than yamato ( in protection). It absorbed lessons from yamato's building process.

[John 3rd]

I lost Yamato to Paul Layne after an IO bombardment run in late-1943.  She was attacked by almost 100 bombers and a combination of many bombs and a couple of TT slowed down enough for a Brit CV TF to put about 6 more TT into her the next day.  It...was...traumatic...

[ctangus]

I just put 6 torps into Yamato (PBEM - 10/42). Didn't sink immediately. I suspect (hope!) she'll sink over the next turn or two, but she's only 3 hexes away from a safe port. Even if Yamato doesn't sink, at least she'll be out of the war for a year or more.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: ctangus

I just put 6 torps into Yamato (PBEM - 10/42). Didn't sink immediately. I suspect (hope!) she'll sink over the next turn or two, but she's only 3 hexes away from a safe port. Even if Yamato doesn't sink, at least she'll be out of the war for a year or more.

I have yet to see a BB not being repaired within a year. I had several being in the 90s sys dam and all repaired WITHIN a year. Don´t know if those were all lucky die rolls but all made it more or less easily. And don´t expect to see 90 sys damage if the ship is only hit by torps. I would guess she´s in the 50s sys dam. 80 float and 15 fire. If she survives than you will see her again in 7 months... [;)]

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Grognerd

Or for that matter heavily damaged it? I am curious as to how many bombs torpedo's or Big shell hits it took.
Consider it game engine mechanics curiosity. I used the search function but found nothing except for a good history article.

Of course, and its' sister ship as well, playing vanilla, CHS and RHSCVO, by air.
I never kept track of what it took but it was not a single engagement/attack, but over 2 days time IIRC, on both ships, (which were operating independent of one another).

If it floats, it can be sunk.
Give me a foxhole every time.

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

One guy (i don't remember who) reported he did in Yamato with a single 18" torp from a Swordfish (apparently got a magazine explosion). [X(]

That was I. The humble stringbags came through spectacularly. The Yamato ended up one hex away from a British CV task force. The second Swordfish strike the same phase couldn't find the target and returned to the ship with their fish. The battleship went down that fast.

I read a book on Leyte about a year ago and the author spent a lot of time detailing the plight of the Musashi. The Musashi (and I believe the Yamato) had the largest torpedo bulges in the world. The first few torpedo hits on the Musashi were absorbed by the bulges. Drag from the damage slowed her down initially, but didn't threaten the ship. When follow on strikes started going through the holes in the bulges and exploded against the actual hull, the Musashi began to take on water and flounder.

I think the attack planners realized something like this had happened and when they gave orders for the attack on the Yamato, the plan was to hit one side of the ship with a swarm of torpedoes as fast as possible so as to blow out the bulge and hull on one side in one strike wave.

Japan really would have been better off without the Yamato class. If they had poured the same resources into carriers instead of the Yamato and Musashi, they could have had at least three more Shokakus, possibly 4 when they really needed carriers. I think that would be an interesting what if version of WitP. What if the Japanese realized by the late 1930s that the battleship was obsolete and put all their capital ship building into carriers instead?

It would be an Allied nightmare to have an extra pair of Shokakus show up in the spring of 1942 and another pair six months or so later.

[Dili]

Anyone has the numbers? A carrier is not only the ship it is the planes and the training of the crews.
 
Yamato got an hit from Torpedo that damaged too much her (3000 or 5000t of water got in) because of a construction problem if i am reminding right. Most of the time just depends where it hit.

[decaro]

ORIGINAL: wdolson

... The Musashi (and I believe the Yamato) had the largest torpedo bulges in the world. The first few torpedo hits on the Musashi were absorbed by the bulges. Drag from the damage slowed her down initially, but didn't threaten the ship. When follow on strikes started going through the holes in the bulges and exploded against the actual hull, the Musashi began to take on water and flounder.

I think the attack planners realized something like this had happened and when they gave orders for the attack on the Yamato, the plan was to hit one side of the ship with a swarm of torpedoes as fast as possible so as to blow out the bulge and hull on one side in one strike wave.

That would be the port side.

ORIGINAL: wdolson
... Japan really would have been better off without the Yamato class. If they had poured the same resources into carriers instead of the Yamato and Musashi, they could have had at least three more Shokakus, possibly 4 when they really needed carriers. I think that would be an interesting what if version of WitP. What if the Japanese realized by the late 1930s that the battleship was obsolete and put all their capital ship building into carriers instead?

What if they put a flight deck on the Yamato's hull (as if it were a heavy crusier)?

The concept of the super battleship/dreadnought was a hold-over from WW I. It's surprisng that the nation that perfected flight deck ops to an art form put so much yen into a class of ships destined to be obsolete as soon as they left dry dock.

In Grigsby games, the BB is just a big payday for your opponent when it finally sinks.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Joe D.

ORIGINAL: wdolson

... The Musashi (and I believe the Yamato) had the largest torpedo bulges in the world. The first few torpedo hits on the Musashi were absorbed by the bulges. Drag from the damage slowed her down initially, but didn't threaten the ship. When follow on strikes started going through the holes in the bulges and exploded against the actual hull, the Musashi began to take on water and flounder.

I think the attack planners realized something like this had happened and when they gave orders for the attack on the Yamato, the plan was to hit one side of the ship with a swarm of torpedoes as fast as possible so as to blow out the bulge and hull on one side in one strike wave.

That would be the port side.

ORIGINAL: wdolson
... Japan really would have been better off without the Yamato class. If they had poured the same resources into carriers instead of the Yamato and Musashi, they could have had at least three more Shokakus, possibly 4 when they really needed carriers. I think that would be an interesting what if version of WitP. What if the Japanese realized by the late 1930s that the battleship was obsolete and put all their capital ship building into carriers instead?

What if they put a flight deck on the Yamato's hull (as if it were a heavy crusier)?

Wasn´t the same thing done with the Shinano?

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Joe D.

ORIGINAL: wdolson

... The Musashi (and I believe the Yamato) had the largest torpedo bulges in the world. The first few torpedo hits on the Musashi were absorbed by the bulges. Drag from the damage slowed her down initially, but didn't threaten the ship. When follow on strikes started going through the holes in the bulges and exploded against the actual hull, the Musashi began to take on water and flounder.

I think the attack planners realized something like this had happened and when they gave orders for the attack on the Yamato, the plan was to hit one side of the ship with a swarm of torpedoes as fast as possible so as to blow out the bulge and hull on one side in one strike wave.

That would be the port side.

ORIGINAL: wdolson
... Japan really would have been better off without the Yamato class. If they had poured the same resources into carriers instead of the Yamato and Musashi, they could have had at least three more Shokakus, possibly 4 when they really needed carriers. I think that would be an interesting what if version of WitP. What if the Japanese realized by the late 1930s that the battleship was obsolete and put all their capital ship building into carriers instead?

What if they put a flight deck on the Yamato's hull (as if it were a heavy crusier)?

Wasn´t the same thing done with the Shinano?

Although not laid down as a carrier, wasn't Shinano built as a carrier (much as Kaga)? It wasn't like they converted her into something the Mogami.

EDIT: According to the Combined Fleet website, she was a hybrid carrier - replenishment vessel. Tiornu said there was the plan by the IJN that Shinano was supposed to base forward, have planes fly out to her (from land bases), and then send them on their way to attack the enemy.

[Iridium]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

EDIT: According to the Combined Fleet website, she was a hybrid carrier - replenishment vessel. Tiornu said there was the plan by the IJN that Shinano was supposed to base forward, have planes fly out to her (from land bases), and then send them on their way to attack the enemy.

Correct, the idea was to have forward armored carriers act as refueling stations and take the punishment while standard Japanese CVs would be behind them. Of course this nice plan was too late to take advantage of. Pilots were already in short supply, let alone the CVs themselves.

Musashi is a pretty good example of how the Yamato class was supposed to endure damage in my opinion.

[BB56]

ORIGINAL: herwin

ORIGINAL: BB56

I had a sub put 2 torps in her on her way to Truk.  I then sent a SAG up there to finisher off but she got away, only to get 3 more torps from 2 other subs.  Down she went.

Rather low. The expected number of torpedo hits required was 11.

That's what I've been reading. Then again, she was in open water and could have gone down from progressive flooding. Or, I could have miscounted the number of torps that hit her - I haven't been too observant of late.

[TSCofield]

ORIGINAL: Joe D.

Sank the Yamato in UV w/a few well-placed aerial fish as most bombs just seem to bounce off her, but I don't ever recall getting the better of the Yamato in any surface action, day or night.

I sunk her once in a surface action (Japanese AI). I had six older BBs (don't remember which ones) in a combat setup protecting Port Moresby. If I remember right tw or three were British BBs and the other couple or three were American. The Yamato and another IJN BB was bombarding Port Moresby and got caught by suprise. British BBs have a much higher night fighting capability and started pumping shells into the Yamato almost immediately. I know one US BB got mauled pretty bad but she was at Port Moresby and I was able to control the flooding. The IJN lost the Yamato and the other BB. It was a while ago and one of those lucky events where you are at the right spot at the right time.

[TSCofield]

ORIGINAL: wdolson

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

One guy (i don't remember who) reported he did in Yamato with a single 18" torp from a Swordfish (apparently got a magazine explosion). [X(]

That was I. The humble stringbags came through spectacularly. The Yamato ended up one hex away from a British CV task force. The second Swordfish strike the same phase couldn't find the target and returned to the ship with their fish. The battleship went down that fast.

I read a book on Leyte about a year ago and the author spent a lot of time detailing the plight of the Musashi. The Musashi (and I believe the Yamato) had the largest torpedo bulges in the world. The first few torpedo hits on the Musashi were absorbed by the bulges. Drag from the damage slowed her down initially, but didn't threaten the ship. When follow on strikes started going through the holes in the bulges and exploded against the actual hull, the Musashi began to take on water and flounder.

I think the attack planners realized something like this had happened and when they gave orders for the attack on the Yamato, the plan was to hit one side of the ship with a swarm of torpedoes as fast as possible so as to blow out the bulge and hull on one side in one strike wave.

Japan really would have been better off without the Yamato class. If they had poured the same resources into carriers instead of the Yamato and Musashi, they could have had at least three more Shokakus, possibly 4 when they really needed carriers. I think that would be an interesting what if version of WitP. What if the Japanese realized by the late 1930s that the battleship was obsolete and put all their capital ship building into carriers instead?

It would be an Allied nightmare to have an extra pair of Shokakus show up in the spring of 1942 and another pair six months or so later.

That's true although the major problem was not so much with their number of carriers but in trained and competent pilots. By late 1942 the cream of naval aviation had pretty much been wiped out. A majority of the pilots from the six fleet carriers that attacked Pearl Harbor were dead by the end of 1942. There was no core left to train new pilots and the pilot training program in Japan was slow and inefficient, especially when compared to American standards.

Even if the IJN had put three or four more carriers in the water it is likely there wouldn't have been the qualified pilots to man these aircraft. They would have been more of a target but they probably wouldn't have done a single thing to change the outcome of the war. By late 1943 most IJN sorties were being cut down due to a serious lack of fuel. The last of the experienced aviators were lost in the Marianas Turkey Shoot and a lot of carriers simply couldn't field enough competent pilots who could take off and land. Landing on a carrier takes a lot more skill than on an airfield and they just didn't have the resources to deal with the losses they took.

[Panther Bait]

Also, many of the second generation IJN carrier pilots were lost while flying long distance raids from Rabaul during the Solomons campaign while the IJN was getting their newer carriers launched and fixing the Zuikaka/Shokaku from earlier damage.

[pauk]

Yamato was scuttled....

[ctangus]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: ctangus

I just put 6 torps into Yamato (PBEM - 10/42). Didn't sink immediately. I suspect (hope!) she'll sink over the next turn or two, but she's only 3 hexes away from a safe port. Even if Yamato doesn't sink, at least she'll be out of the war for a year or more.

I have yet to see a BB not being repaired within a year. I had several being in the 90s sys dam and all repaired WITHIN a year. Don´t know if those were all lucky die rolls but all made it more or less easily. And don´t expect to see 90 sys damage if the ship is only hit by torps. I would guess she´s in the 50s sys dam. 80 float and 15 fire. If she survives than you will see her again in 7 months... [;)]

It's a moot point now (she sunk) but I think you've gotten lucky die rolls or I've gotten unlucky ones. Or both. In that same game I had 7 BBs heavily damaged at Pearl. We're now at Oct. 19th. 2 BBs have re-joined the fleet but 3 still have 35+ sys damage and will still be in West Coast yards when Dec 7th 1942 comes around.

[TommyG]

In a PBEM game with Sean, I caught her in the open ocean about 300 miles SSW of Tokyo in July 45. She retreated to Tokyo harbor after receiving approx 3 torp and 10 bomb hits. She was caught in the harbor and bombed night and day with B24s for almost two weeks, suffering well over 2oo bomb hits before finally sinking.