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RE: Real Life Pilots For Inclusion
Not sure if Van or van is correct, both are in common use in documents/books. I don't know if the Dutch have a convention for it.
For German names von is correct but you can still find Von in common use amongst non German speakers.
For German names von is correct but you can still find Von in common use amongst non German speakers.
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roger, but it is odd seeing the same writer using it both ways ?
by the by, did you see the Vol 9 by Chorley ?
just showed up on my doorstep
outstanding, but going to be HARD to work with
by the by, did you see the Vol 9 by Chorley ?
just showed up on my doorstep
outstanding, but going to be HARD to work with

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by the by, did you see the Vol 9 by Chorley ?
just showed up on my doorstep
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Yes but I'm going to give it a miss as I have Vols 1-8 and correct me if I'm wrong but Vol 9 is a roll of honour so all info will be contained in the earlier volumes.
Will try and post some of 6 Group tonight.
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yea, it is the rolls of honor, 57000 some names, but they are full names, but do not have the plane type or crew postion

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Full names would be useful but as you say without crew position etc will be hard to make easy use of.
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got one, I think
Fo Harry John Randall 49 Squadron, KIA 8-18-43 (119813)
yeap, that is him, CCGC has him also
SL Richard Nevil Todd-White, HCU, KIA 8-18-43 (37368)
odd
I get Walter Ralph Haskell, 57 Squadron, KIA 8-17-43 (44563)
wonder if he was lost early in the raid and the others later on ? or if there was a another raid on the 18th
Fo Harry John Randall 49 Squadron, KIA 8-18-43 (119813)
yeap, that is him, CCGC has him also
SL Richard Nevil Todd-White, HCU, KIA 8-18-43 (37368)
odd
I get Walter Ralph Haskell, 57 Squadron, KIA 8-17-43 (44563)
wonder if he was lost early in the raid and the others later on ? or if there was a another raid on the 18th

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There was a small BC raid on Torino 16-17Aug43 but Haskell was MIA on the Peenemuende raid. T/O time for his a/c is given as 21:44 - nothing further heard.
Couple of additions/corrections for 75 Sqn
P/O Logan, C. > P/O Logan, Clifford
Sgt Joll, J. > S/L Joll, Jack; Exp ~80
Couple of additions/corrections for 75 Sqn
P/O Logan, C. > P/O Logan, Clifford
Sgt Joll, J. > S/L Joll, Jack; Exp ~80
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roger, that is what I was thinking
Corrected, won't be in the posted OOB, but corrected in mine
Corrected, won't be in the posted OOB, but corrected in mine

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6 Group
419 Sqn RCAF
Sgt Batterson, J.M. John
Sgt Cameron, W.D.L. William
F/S Cooke, D.T.
F/L Corcoarn, B.J.
Sgt Coutlee, C.M.
F/S Douhassoff, T.
F/O Heard, S.M.
F/O Hamilton, W.H. William
F/O Hewitt, H.A.
F/L Keddie, W.N.
Sgt Metherall, R.K.
Sgt McIntosh, J.
W/O Morrision, J.R.
F/S Pekin, S. Stanley
F/L Quaile, A.N.
F/S Stewart, R. Robert
F/O Westland, J.A.
426 Sqn RCAF
W/C Crooks, L. Leslie
F/L Epps, R.F.
Lt Gaunt, S.
Sgt Griffiths, C.A. Charles
F/L Shaw, W.L. Wilfred
F/L Shuttleworth, D.D. Douglas
Sgt Summers, M.B. Malcolm
S/L Swetman, W.H.
419 Sqn RCAF
Sgt Batterson, J.M. John
Sgt Cameron, W.D.L. William
F/S Cooke, D.T.
F/L Corcoarn, B.J.
Sgt Coutlee, C.M.
F/S Douhassoff, T.
F/O Heard, S.M.
F/O Hamilton, W.H. William
F/O Hewitt, H.A.
F/L Keddie, W.N.
Sgt Metherall, R.K.
Sgt McIntosh, J.
W/O Morrision, J.R.
F/S Pekin, S. Stanley
F/L Quaile, A.N.
F/S Stewart, R. Robert
F/O Westland, J.A.
426 Sqn RCAF
W/C Crooks, L. Leslie
F/L Epps, R.F.
Lt Gaunt, S.
Sgt Griffiths, C.A. Charles
F/L Shaw, W.L. Wilfred
F/L Shuttleworth, D.D. Douglas
Sgt Summers, M.B. Malcolm
S/L Swetman, W.H.
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6 Group (cont.)
427 Sqn RCAF
F/O Arnot, B.
F/O Baum, G.R. I got a William Baum ? KIA 8-24-43 W.G.R
Sgt Brady, F.J.D. Francis
F/S Champion, W.
F/L Crew, B.G.
Sgt Fletcher, N.E. Neville
F/S Milton, J.R.G.
F/L Morton, J.A.
Sgt Olsvik, D.O. David
Sgt Schmitt, W.H.
Capt Taylor, C.A.
Sgt Wolton, G.
428 Sqn RCAF
F/S Armour, W.J. William
Sgt Blackmore, W.W. Winston
Sgt Borrowes, R.L.
F/O Drimmie, G.R.
F/L Fanson, G.W. Gordon
Sgt Fry, K.O.
P/O Hadden, W.A. William
Sgt Harkins, J.
W/O Harrison, A.
F/O Jones, K.W. Kenneth
F/S Reade, H.A.
F/L Retlander, A.V.
Sgt Sheridan, J. John
P/O Williamson, L.F.
434 Sqn RCAF
Sgt Austin, ???
Lt Clary, ???
F/O Colquhoun, ??? Ian L.
Sgt Harrison, ??? Richard S.
Sgt Johnston, ??? I have a Garth B. Johnson ???? KIA late 44
F/O Lord, ??? Frederick C.
F/S Piper, ??? Frederick J.
Sgt Snelgrove, ???
F/L Thompson, ??? William M.
427 Sqn RCAF
F/O Arnot, B.
F/O Baum, G.R. I got a William Baum ? KIA 8-24-43 W.G.R
Sgt Brady, F.J.D. Francis
F/S Champion, W.
F/L Crew, B.G.
Sgt Fletcher, N.E. Neville
F/S Milton, J.R.G.
F/L Morton, J.A.
Sgt Olsvik, D.O. David
Sgt Schmitt, W.H.
Capt Taylor, C.A.
Sgt Wolton, G.
428 Sqn RCAF
F/S Armour, W.J. William
Sgt Blackmore, W.W. Winston
Sgt Borrowes, R.L.
F/O Drimmie, G.R.
F/L Fanson, G.W. Gordon
Sgt Fry, K.O.
P/O Hadden, W.A. William
Sgt Harkins, J.
W/O Harrison, A.
F/O Jones, K.W. Kenneth
F/S Reade, H.A.
F/L Retlander, A.V.
Sgt Sheridan, J. John
P/O Williamson, L.F.
434 Sqn RCAF
Sgt Austin, ???
Lt Clary, ???
F/O Colquhoun, ??? Ian L.
Sgt Harrison, ??? Richard S.
Sgt Johnston, ??? I have a Garth B. Johnson ???? KIA late 44
F/O Lord, ??? Frederick C.
F/S Piper, ??? Frederick J.
Sgt Snelgrove, ???
F/L Thompson, ??? William M.
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8 Group
suggest exp in the range 75-85 for most pilots as in theory all should have completed one tour already (or at the very least be well through their first tour).
7 Sqn
S/L Anakstein, C.
F/L Baker, S.
F/O Campling, R.D.
F/L Foster, B.H.D.
F/L French, R.O.
F/L Harcourt, V.
P/O Harding, A.C.
S/L Lofthouse, C.J.
F/O McIntyre, K.
F/S Negus, C.A.
F/S Petrie, J.R.
F/O Philipson-Stowe
W/C Rampling, K.
F/S Sutherst, J. (Southirst?)
F/O Wells, O.J.
P/O Wilby, P.
F/L Zee, J.A.
35 Sqn
P/O Appleby, R.R.G.
S/L Cranswick, A.P.
F/L Davidson, A.J.F.
S/L Deacon, E.W.
F/S Hardy, A.V.
F/O Jagger, J.J.
P/O Lahey, L.E.N.
F/S Matiche, N.J.
F/S Raggett, P.R.
F/S Skerrett, T.R.
83 Sqn
P/O Allcroft, F.C.
F/O Chick, M.R.
W/O Finding, J.
S/L Hildyard, N.F.
P/O King, R.
S/L Manton, R.J.
F/L Mason, ???
P/O Reid, J.A.
G/C Searby, John H. (Master Bomber); Exp ~95
S/L Sell, G.D.
P/O Shipway, A.C.
F/L Slade, I.C.B.
S/L Smith, A.B.
F/O Thompson, W.R.
F/S Turp, K.C.
97 Sqn
F/O Berridge, B.H.
P/O Brown, K.
F/L Clayton, R.F.
F/L Eaton-Clarke, ???
P/O Farlie, K.
F/O Fletcher, R.A.
S/L Garlick, J.M.
P/O Montgomery, D.A.
P/O Munro, J.F.
F/S Pond, H.A.
F/O Riches, W.
F/L Robertson, C.B.
S/L Rodley, E.E.
S/L Sauvage, J.H.
Sgt Saxton, J.H.
F/S Stevenson, L.
F/O de Wesselow, G.
156 Sqn
F/L Anset, D.C.
P/O Coldham, P.A.
F/L Cook, A.S.
F/L Fawcett, R.E.
F/S Fry, F.J.
F/O Lutz, A.M.
F/L Mandeno, G.L.
S/L Manfield, N.R.
F/L McGrath, A.L.
P/O Overton, L.W.
F/O Prichard, J.E.
W/O Rose, ???
F/S Slade, H.F.
P/O Sloper, J.L.
F/S Stephens, T.G.
P/O Stewart, R.G.F.
F/S Stimpson, ???
F/L Thompson, J.F.
F/L Vincent, P.R.
W/C White, John H. (2nd Deputy Master Bomber)
F/O Wright, J.L.
S/L Young, R.E.
405 Sqn RCAF
Sgt Branton, A.C.
P/O Cowan, H,
W/C Fauquier, John E. (1st Deputy Master Bomber)
Sgt Larson, R.H.
F/O McIntyre, H.S. Harry
P/O McMenemy, G.S.
P/O McSorley, B.F.
Sgt Nielson, C.
F/O Sattler, M.
P/O Weber, J.A.
F/O Weiser, W.
P/O Wood, K.R.
139 Sqn (diversionary raid to Berlin)
F/L College, M.W.
F/O Cooke, A.S.
F/L Crampton, R.A.V.
P/O Guest, C.H.
W/O Miles, V.J.C.
Sgt Prince, H.M.
G/C Slee, L.C.
F/O Swan, H.
suggest exp in the range 75-85 for most pilots as in theory all should have completed one tour already (or at the very least be well through their first tour).
7 Sqn
S/L Anakstein, C.
F/L Baker, S.
F/O Campling, R.D.
F/L Foster, B.H.D.
F/L French, R.O.
F/L Harcourt, V.
P/O Harding, A.C.
S/L Lofthouse, C.J.
F/O McIntyre, K.
F/S Negus, C.A.
F/S Petrie, J.R.
F/O Philipson-Stowe
W/C Rampling, K.
F/S Sutherst, J. (Southirst?)
F/O Wells, O.J.
P/O Wilby, P.
F/L Zee, J.A.
35 Sqn
P/O Appleby, R.R.G.
S/L Cranswick, A.P.
F/L Davidson, A.J.F.
S/L Deacon, E.W.
F/S Hardy, A.V.
F/O Jagger, J.J.
P/O Lahey, L.E.N.
F/S Matiche, N.J.
F/S Raggett, P.R.
F/S Skerrett, T.R.
83 Sqn
P/O Allcroft, F.C.
F/O Chick, M.R.
W/O Finding, J.
S/L Hildyard, N.F.
P/O King, R.
S/L Manton, R.J.
F/L Mason, ???
P/O Reid, J.A.
G/C Searby, John H. (Master Bomber); Exp ~95
S/L Sell, G.D.
P/O Shipway, A.C.
F/L Slade, I.C.B.
S/L Smith, A.B.
F/O Thompson, W.R.
F/S Turp, K.C.
97 Sqn
F/O Berridge, B.H.
P/O Brown, K.
F/L Clayton, R.F.
F/L Eaton-Clarke, ???
P/O Farlie, K.
F/O Fletcher, R.A.
S/L Garlick, J.M.
P/O Montgomery, D.A.
P/O Munro, J.F.
F/S Pond, H.A.
F/O Riches, W.
F/L Robertson, C.B.
S/L Rodley, E.E.
S/L Sauvage, J.H.
Sgt Saxton, J.H.
F/S Stevenson, L.
F/O de Wesselow, G.
156 Sqn
F/L Anset, D.C.
P/O Coldham, P.A.
F/L Cook, A.S.
F/L Fawcett, R.E.
F/S Fry, F.J.
F/O Lutz, A.M.
F/L Mandeno, G.L.
S/L Manfield, N.R.
F/L McGrath, A.L.
P/O Overton, L.W.
F/O Prichard, J.E.
W/O Rose, ???
F/S Slade, H.F.
P/O Sloper, J.L.
F/S Stephens, T.G.
P/O Stewart, R.G.F.
F/S Stimpson, ???
F/L Thompson, J.F.
F/L Vincent, P.R.
W/C White, John H. (2nd Deputy Master Bomber)
F/O Wright, J.L.
S/L Young, R.E.
405 Sqn RCAF
Sgt Branton, A.C.
P/O Cowan, H,
W/C Fauquier, John E. (1st Deputy Master Bomber)
Sgt Larson, R.H.
F/O McIntyre, H.S. Harry
P/O McMenemy, G.S.
P/O McSorley, B.F.
Sgt Nielson, C.
F/O Sattler, M.
P/O Weber, J.A.
F/O Weiser, W.
P/O Wood, K.R.
139 Sqn (diversionary raid to Berlin)
F/L College, M.W.
F/O Cooke, A.S.
F/L Crampton, R.A.V.
P/O Guest, C.H.
W/O Miles, V.J.C.
Sgt Prince, H.M.
G/C Slee, L.C.
F/O Swan, H.
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Shaggy
you got anything on 247 ?
I got "Chuck" Cosar
"Oscar" Cosar
but then I find a kill claim for a Fo. C.S. Cossar from 247 around the same time
these could be another brother pair (I have found more then a few of them in the RAF and US) in the same squadron
do you have anything for them ? time should be late 43, early 44
you got anything on 247 ?
I got "Chuck" Cosar
"Oscar" Cosar
but then I find a kill claim for a Fo. C.S. Cossar from 247 around the same time
these could be another brother pair (I have found more then a few of them in the RAF and US) in the same squadron
do you have anything for them ? time should be late 43, early 44

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Not got anything on any Cosar or Cossar
Two brothers for you, I've only just entered their details. Interestingly both were definitely nicknamed "Duke"
As of 17Aug43
F/O Warren, Douglas; 165 Sqn; 0.33 Kills; Exp 75
F/O Warren, Bruce; 165 Sqn; 2.33 Kills; Exp 80
Two brothers for you, I've only just entered their details. Interestingly both were definitely nicknamed "Duke"
As of 17Aug43
F/O Warren, Douglas; 165 Sqn; 0.33 Kills; Exp 75
F/O Warren, Bruce; 165 Sqn; 2.33 Kills; Exp 80
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[font=arial]F/O Charles Stewart Cossar 247 Sqn received DFC 26Sep44. However don't know if he was serving with 247 Sqn as of 17Aug43[/font]
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Thank you, he was with them in 43 I know, not sure when he joined

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Shaggy do you have the Shores follow up book to Aces High ?
mine just got here
very good
mine just got here
very good

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Do you mean Aces High Vol II?
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