Petition - pilots and exp

[CV Zuikaku]

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

Wasnt aware of the fact this cant be modded, if in fact no experience is bieng gained via combat missions then this is clearly a issue that needs to be addressed.

Well, unfortunatelly, if it can be modded, then I don't know where [&:] But I'm not really asking to help Japanese or allied side. It bothers me that pilots are not gaining experience in combat. It bothers me too slow training. I do not ask pilots to become experts as result of training. And it bothers me exp losses wnen pilots move to/from reserve pool. And thus, being able to send specific pilots to reserve pool woul'd be a very good thing- that we could use rear area training squadrons to fill out frontline with relatively well trained pilots without need to disband whole squadrons (now this is the only way to sen pilots to reserve pool).

[Sheytan]

I will focus on the "pilots not gaining exp via combat part" and IF this is in fact correct, I agree it needs to be addressed. I will not engage in the rest of your post, although you may have valid points.

I am really adverse to changing anything in this game that isnt glaringly nessessary, but again I conceed you may have valid points, if nothing else, we must proceed with caution, lest in our haste to condemn we adversely effect a excellent simulation which tilts the game in favor of one side or another.

ORIGINAL: CV Zuikaku

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

Wasnt aware of the fact this cant be modded, if in fact no experience is bieng gained via combat missions then this is clearly a issue that needs to be addressed.

Well, unfortunatelly, if it can be modded, then I don't know where [&:] But I'm not really asking to help Japanese or allied side. It bothers me that pilots are not gaining experience in combat. It bothers me too slow training. I do not ask pilots to become experts as result of training. And it bothers me exp losses wnen pilots move to/from reserve pool. And thus, being able to send specific pilots to reserve pool woul'd be a very good thing- that we could use rear area training squadrons to fill out frontline with relatively well trained pilots without need to disband whole squadrons (now this is the only way to sen pilots to reserve pool).

[CV Zuikaku]

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

I will focus on the "pilots not gaining exp via combat part" and IF this is in fact correct, I agree it needs to be addressed. I will not engage in the rest of your post, although you may have valid points.

I am really adverse to changing anything in this game that isnt glaringly nessessary, but again I conceed you may have valid points, if nothing else, we must proceed with caution, lest in our haste to condemn we adversely effect a excellent simulation which tilts the game in favor of one side or another.

I think bomber and patrol pilots are gaining experience in combat (not sure but think I saw improvements). But have been monitoring fighter pilots in combat areas, especially aces ,and there have been no improvements at all (only general experience function of which is unclear)- even after 20 kills. That is just not right!

[jomni]

If this would just add to more micromanagement.  Then I vote 'No'.
If not, then 'Yes'.

I for one don't particularly look at every pilot and have no clue and real desire to micromanage them.

[CV Zuikaku]

ORIGINAL: jomni

If this would just add to more micromanagement.  Then I vote 'No'.
If not, then 'Yes'.

I for one don't particularly look at every pilot and have no clue and real desire to micromanage them.

additional micromanagement would be optional- you really do not need to send pilots to reserve pool if you don't want to. But in some situations it can be difference between victory and defeat. I do not look at every pilot too- only the ones on training and on aces ...that is how I noticed they do not improve individuall skills. So, we have ace pilots with 100+ combat sorties, 20+ victories and with the same air and defensive skills as they had with 0 combat missions. A bit... unlogical [;)]

[Sheytan]

I would suspect after a specific point of experience gain you have dramatically diminishing returns. However one of the devs needs to comment on this. And frankly I do not see a frank reply on this topic to be giving "away" any secrets.

Lets see what the powers that be have to say about this.

ORIGINAL: CV Zuikaku

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

I will focus on the "pilots not gaining exp via combat part" and IF this is in fact correct, I agree it needs to be addressed. I will not engage in the rest of your post, although you may have valid points.

I am really adverse to changing anything in this game that isnt glaringly nessessary, but again I conceed you may have valid points, if nothing else, we must proceed with caution, lest in our haste to condemn we adversely effect a excellent simulation which tilts the game in favor of one side or another.

I think bomber and patrol pilots are gaining experience in combat (not sure but think I saw improvements). But have been monitoring fighter pilots in combat areas, especially aces ,and there have been no improvements at all (only general experience function of which is unclear)- even after 20 kills. That is just not right!

[TheElf]

Not to stifle this discussion, as it seems constructive, but we are looking at all aspects of aerial training for patch 2. Something went awry after the last patch and it has obviously affected EXP gain in individual skills. This WILL be fixed.

Zuikaku, you list is good. Many of those items are on our list. Now is the time to catch my eye with new suggestions.

[CV Zuikaku]

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

I would suspect after a specific point of experience gain you have dramatically diminishing returns. However one of the devs needs to comment on this. And frankly I do not see a frank reply on this topic to be giving "away" any secrets.

Lets see what the powers that be have to say about this.

Well, the trouble is that I have a 20 kill ace with air skill 64 and defensive arroud 50. And it is not that big exp level. It is not suspicios if a pilot has some skill in 80s and is rising it extremely slowly.
But even when pilot have skill exp in 90s i woul'd expect at least chance for one point of progres after extremely successful mission.
I'll post my pilot screen later in the day...

[Sheytan]

Bravo, appears Zuikaku has touched on something that in fact needs attention.

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Not to stifle this discussion, as it seems constructive, but we are looking at all aspects of aerial training for patch 2. Something went awry after the last patch and it has obviously affected EXP gain in individual skills. This WILL be fixed.

Zuikaku, you list is good. Many of those items are on our list. Now is the time to catch my eye with new suggestions.

[CV Zuikaku]

Thanks TheElf. We thought that no one is aware of our posts [&o] So, we were worried a bit...
Good thing to know that training will be OK again along with the skill gains [:)]

[TheElf]

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

Bravo, appears Zuikaku has touched on something that in fact needs attention.

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Not to stifle this discussion, as it seems constructive, but we are looking at all aspects of aerial training for patch 2. Something went awry after the last patch and it has obviously affected EXP gain in individual skills. This WILL be fixed.

Zuikaku, you list is good. Many of those items are on our list. Now is the time to catch my eye with new suggestions.

Not really. We have been following these developments and have had Pilot training identified as a whole for patch improvements since release. It was a late addition to the gold build, and is a top priority for polishing.

All the posting just reaffirms our resolve. keep it up.

[TheElf]

ORIGINAL: CV Zuikaku

Thanks TheElf. We thought that no one is aware of our posts [&o] So, we were worried a bit...
Good thing to know that training will be OK again along with the skill gains [:)]

Oh we're aware....[;)]

[Sheytan]

They you need to introduce more clarity on future changes as opposed to thread/petitions via your customers regarding what they view may be not working as intended...no?

At any rate it is quite reassuring you are aware of these problems and intend to fix them

ORIGINAL: TheElf

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

Bravo, appears Zuikaku has touched on something that in fact needs attention.

ORIGINAL: TheElf

Not to stifle this discussion, as it seems constructive, but we are looking at all aspects of aerial training for patch 2. Something went awry after the last patch and it has obviously affected EXP gain in individual skills. This WILL be fixed.

Zuikaku, you list is good. Many of those items are on our list. Now is the time to catch my eye with new suggestions.

Not really. We have been following these developments and have had Pilot training identified as a whole for patch improvements since release. It was a late addition to the gold build, and is a top priority for polishing.

All the posting just reaffirms our resolve. keep it up.

[TheElf]

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

They you need to introduce more clarity on future changes as opposed to thread/petitions via your customers regarding what they view may be not working as intended...no?

At any rate it is quite reassuring you are aware of these problems and intend to fix them

ORIGINAL: TheElf

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

Bravo, appears Zuikaku has touched on something that in fact needs attention.

Not really. We have been following these developments and have had Pilot training identified as a whole for patch improvements since release. It was a late addition to the gold build, and is a top priority for polishing.

All the posting just reaffirms our resolve. keep it up.

not sure what you mean?[&:]

[Sheytan]

Let me rephrase, IF you are aware of problems such as the lack of exp gain for example via combat, then why not post...WE ARE AWARE? In a thread topic, so matters such as this do not become a discussion about the problems related to specific issues such as the above mentioned example.

You stated expo facto in this thread you are aware, why not do so in a thread of known issues instead of having the customers debate IF there is in fact a problem? See where im going here?

ORIGINAL: TheElf

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

They you need to introduce more clarity on future changes as opposed to thread/petitions via your customers regarding what they view may be not working as intended...no?

At any rate it is quite reassuring you are aware of these problems and intend to fix them

ORIGINAL: TheElf



Not really. We have been following these developments and have had Pilot training identified as a whole for patch improvements since release. It was a late addition to the gold build, and is a top priority for polishing.

All the posting just reaffirms our resolve. keep it up.

not sure what you mean?[&:]

[Przemcio231]

I agree with the need of some changes. I have a Aussie Wirway squadron bombing a Jap ground unit in Lae for over 2 weeks there was some General EXP rise but GroundB skill is not rising. Only Skills that i saw to ever increase is A2A this rises during training not combat... and NavalB rises really slowly like a point after 2 months.

[TheElf]

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

Let me rephrase, IF you are aware of problems such as the lack of exp gain for example via combat, then why not post...WE ARE AWARE? In a thread topic, so matters such as this do not become a discussion about the problems related to specific issues such as the above mentioned example.

You stated expo facto in this thread you are aware, why not do so in a thread of known issues instead of having the customers debate IF there is in fact a problem? See where im going here?

ORIGINAL: TheElf

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

They you need to introduce more clarity on future changes as opposed to thread/petitions via your customers regarding what they view may be not working as intended...no?

At any rate it is quite reassuring you are aware of these problems and intend to fix them

not sure what you mean?[&:]

Should I post all the things I am aware of in order to head off this sort of discussion, cuz that would be a lot of posts. Or, should I just work toward fixing things and reply to posts like this one in my spare time?

[Sheytan]

Thats a rather arbitrary response. How about you limit yourself to known issues you are in fact looking to fix? Simple enough?

By the way you do realise I am a customer correct?

Edited to add the following, In case you didnt notice, no one here is bashing the "failings" of the AE model. See where im going? But rather, a bit more transparency regarding what is going to be addressed in future, see where im going here? I suspect most people here very much enjoy the game as is, want to see it improved, and have nothing but praise for the folks that made this gem. See where im going again?

Dont take my comments personally, all you can do is improve a already outstanding game. Just introduce a bit more clarity on what you do or do not plan to fix in future as opposed to having thread discussions "discover" them, then admit you are looking into it.

Sorry if I offended you, or presumed upon your time to reply to this discussion about lack of EXP gain via combat. [;)]

ORIGINAL: TheElf

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

Let me rephrase, IF you are aware of problems such as the lack of exp gain for example via combat, then why not post...WE ARE AWARE? In a thread topic, so matters such as this do not become a discussion about the problems related to specific issues such as the above mentioned example.

You stated expo facto in this thread you are aware, why not do so in a thread of known issues instead of having the customers debate IF there is in fact a problem? See where im going here?

ORIGINAL: TheElf



not sure what you mean?[&:]

Should I post all the things I am aware of in order to head off this sort of discussion, cuz that would be a lot of posts. Or, should I just work toward fixing things and reply to posts like this one in my spare time?

[tigercub]

I for one would like to see it hot fixed before patch ver2 ,not that i am saying it big problem,but i would like my guys to get there due.


Tiger!

[BaitBoy]

ORIGINAL: CV Zuikaku

-Intention of this thread is to sww how many of you guys are interested in changing some things regarding pilots and gaining experience. I also hope that someone from air team will see this. so, here are some things I'd like to change.


1. Increase speed of on map training. It was too fast before latest patch, but now is way too slow and useless.
2. No exp loss when transferring pilots to reserve pool or from reserve pool. the exception woul'd be only in case if pilots are being drawn to squadron they have not been trained for: Eg. fighter pilot drawn into bomber squadron
3. Add one more button into training screen- DEFENSIVE, so we can train pilots faster in defensive skills
4. every pilot can be sent into reserve pool to become reserve) at any time by clicking it in the pilot roster (similar to sending pilots to training command).
5. Pilots gains individuall skils in combat faster then in training. Especially to those skills they are using. So, fighter pilot avoids other fighters 3 times in one combat he should get some defensive skills.
6. Ace pilots should have noticeable general and individual skill gains after every kill and especially for multiple kills in one mission. Now that is not a case. I have some pilots with 20 kills. while their general exp is rising significally, their individuall skills do not. So, my top ace have air skill 62 and defensive skill 54 - the same as at the beginning of the war while he had no kills at all. That is just very wrong [:@]
7. Training can not give skill level over 70

I agree. I am not one for much micromanaging my air groups, and I really like idea no.2 and 4. This would defiantly help facilitate the personal management issues inherent in the air groups. It is also more historical as pilots were routinely transfered between squadrons with out disbanding the entire squadron first.