looking forward to this game

[wodin]

Either at consim world or boardgamegeek.

[Barthheart]

From the Front page at LnL publishing:

"The Week That Was -April 9th.

We continue to ship ATZ and DEL, thanks to everyone for their patience. We began charging White Star Rising today, and hope to get it to the printers within a week. Ralph and Tom have been working hard on a recalcitrant handful of bugs in the 7th scenario of the Soviet campaign in Heroes of Stalingrad. Mark is putting together the final articles for Line of Fire 8. We are also out of stock on Swift and Bold, Dark July, and Totensonntag. We'll get a P500 up for a reprint ASAP. We are also working art for two new P500 games, Zombie War (formerly known as Zombiegeddon), and the yet-to-be-announced new LnL module. The other stuff keeps moving along also."

(bold is mine)

[wodin]

That sounds better....my hopes are high again.

[Josh]

Ah, thanks for the update, much appreciated.
Good to hear they are still working hard on it.

[ham17]

I wasn't born yesterday![:-]

[Barthheart]

ORIGINAL: ham17

I wasn't born yesterday![:-]

[8|] Then don't buy it....

[Obsolete]

Why Paradox bought the ASL rights just to sit on them is damn annoying aswell.

Perhaps they were planning to sell it back to a higher bidder?

[Gunhawk]

ORIGINAL: Barthheart

ORIGINAL: ham17

I wasn't born yesterday![:-]

[8|] Then don't buy it....

He has a choice??!!

[Artillerysarge]

ORIGINAL: Gunhawk

When someone said that it was "vapor ware" Mark said that we should have anyone with any questions about the game come to the Lock n Load forum.

Proud to say that was me! I was TWTHOMAS then and got kicked for questioning the great Mark and this game. I will probably get kicked again but it sure looks like I was right the first time. I admit I will be first in line to buy this if it ever becomes available but, I currently only check here about once every 6 months because I figure thats about how often Mark speaks to his customers.

I honestly don't know Mark at all but by his game designs he seems to be a brilliant guy, just wished he would be honest and open with his customers. L&L has some of the poorest customer relations I have ever seen in my life.

[lparkh]

Understand where you are coming from. As a recent post explained 80% of his time is elsewhere on boardgame products right now. But two guys are working on the game. Current status is killing bugs in scenaro 7 of soviet campaign.
We willget there I believe.. the only way I don't see it happening is if the AI programming proves too much for them. My guess is 4th qtr this year.. if lucky maybe summer.

[Gunhawk]

ORIGINAL: lparkh

Understand where you are coming from. As a recent post explained 80% of his time is elsewhere on boardgame products right now. But two guys are working on the game. Current status is killing bugs in scenaro 7 of soviet campaign.
We willget there I believe.. the only way I don't see it happening is if the AI programming proves too much for them. My guess is 4th qtr this year.. if lucky maybe summer.

There's no information to indicate that once scenario 7 is finished that the game will be ready to deliver. Mark didn't say that. Nobody said that. I don't see any reason at all to think that this game will be completed this year. When I asked mark for a target *year* in 2009 he wouldn't answer. That's all the information that we have. Which is no information at all.

[lparkh]

A lot of companies (the small ones esp) go with 'it's done when it's done.' Which is wise IMHO (rather then giving a target year). I understand your reasoning and who knows maybe you are right but my reasoning is:
-- they are debugging campaigns. therefore they have finished the engine and done the campaigns. This is significant
-- they are on scenario 7. I am *guessing|inferring* therefore that they went through scenarios 1 to 6 and they are good. So that is good.
-- My impression is that there are net two campaigns. Therefore being on scenario 7 of two campaigns (my impression is there are less then 20 scenarios per a campaign) is progress.
-- I think scenario 7 might be one of the big river ones of which there are screenshots. Those look like maximally complex scenarios both in terms of scale, variety of terrain etc. Therefore I am *guessing|inferring" that if they can get 7 fixed then subsequent scenarios will show fewer bugs.

So that's my tea reading based on some information and guess/inference Rather then just pure guessing
My background is computer science and I'm writing a game myself so that's how I go with some of the reasoning above. That being said, you could be totally right

[Gunhawk]

ORIGINAL: lparkh

A lot of companies (the small ones esp) go with 'it's done when it's done.' Which is wise IMHO (rather then giving a target year).

Back in February of 2006 Mark said:

"Yep, we have a team in place and programming is well underway. I have a version I'm testing on my computer. We aren't at beta, yet. When we reach that point I'll open it up for beta testers.

With luck it'll be out this year, but I'm not promising a release date".

So I have two questions here. First, if Mark thought it would be out in 2006 "with luck", what could have held this game up for *four years*?? And second, if the game hasn't been opened for Beta testing yet, how can it possibly be finished this year?

[lparkh]

2006? ouch.
On the upside they posted for "outside testers" (one post said beta) in 11/2008. So about 1.5 years ago. That could cut either way I suppose.

[MajFrankBurns]

This game is vaporware.

[ham17]

No,this is a bait.

[bosbes]

Don't know what to think...[&:]

[Skanvak]

AT least there are 2 guys on the project that more than most Matrix game

[wodin]

Its not like Matrix haven't had vaporware title before...one that was really popular aswell....remember Combat Leader? Funny how that was a Squad based game aswell. Also the forum had far more updates than this one it it still went under.

[Obsolete]

Wodin, you bring up an old issue I'd like to bring up.  I've never even been able to read the archive for Combat Leader, as all I've ever got was:


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