Offenseman & Seydlitz(J) vs. LoBaron & Rob Brennan (A) Joint AAR

[seydlitz_slith]

Here is a map showing spotted Dutch Submarines off the Vietnam and Malaya coasts at the end of the day on the 10th. Also shown are the Army Aerial ASW patrols that are being conducted to minimize the submarine threat. Even if the aviators are not successful in sinking the subs, merely spotting them allows us to route all shipping clear of their location.

[seydlitz_slith]

Despite sinking several American subs during the opening day of the war, it does appear that several of the vessels did make it out of the harbor and are heading for the coast of Japan and possibly the Yellow Sea. Again the Army Air Forces have been successful in spotting these pirates and we are preparing a warm reception for them should they turn up off the coast of the home islands.

[seydlitz_slith]

Here is the list of ships sunk during the turn according to neutral sources....

[MikeS4269]

Having just finished my own first AAR, my hat is off to this one. A very fun read and a great chance for me to jump in on a campaign game AAR from the very start. I love the hot sub on sub action so far. I've never seen that in any of my own smaller games up to this point. It was beautiful!

(Felt a pang of sadness about the Marblehead... she was a valiant girl with nice lines... she deserved better than she got.)

Please keep posting! A big thumb up from me!

[offenseman]

The Allied Air Forces finally flew CAP in the PI and were greeted by a strong force of JNAF aircraft. Many Allied planes were shot down and the attack against Manila was successful. This theme was repeated over the two days of the turn.

[offenseman]

The covering force of 5 DDs at Laong was attacked by Royal Navy DDs fleeing from Hong Kong. A glorious victory was the result!

[offenseman]

The KB supported the landings at Manado. With no enemy air opposition, the jungle was effectively bombed.

[offenseman]

lb4269- Welcome aboard. I hope we are able to entertain and inform you enough to be a long term reader.  The game itself should be excellent as our opponents are creative and knowledgeable. 

In other news, Miri and Laong were subdued and occupied, Legaspi was invaded and will be taken next turn.

The Allied forces have assembled what appears to be a dozen or more single ship TFs with the intent of sneaking them to safety. In addition there are several multiple ship groups in the Legaspi area. A small SCTF led by two CAs and Mini-KB have been sent to deal with them.  An aggressive net of air search/attack groups and small SCTFs are trying to round them up and sink them.  Their surviving subs from Manila are having to elude a complex network of air searches orchestrated by seydlitz. 

Operation Octopussy continues to come together....  more on that in a few days. 

[seydlitz_slith]

Yes, our aircraft may not be killing many subs --yet-- but they are spotting them and even getting in some attacks. Here are the sub spootings and attacks from the turn's ops report.

I noticed that it spots way more targets on day 1 of the 2 day turn.

At any rate, on Dec 11th the Army, which is flying the bulk of the ASW patrols, had 134 sub spottings resulting in 4 attacks and 3 reported hits.
The Navy aircraft had 18 additional spottings which did not result in any attacks.

On the 12th, The Army had 47 spottings resulting in 1 attack and 1 reported hit.
The Navy had 5 spottings with no attacks.

Keep in mind that if you set up a good density of aircraft patrolling the area, multiple aircraft will spot the same sub, nicreasing the detection level on that sub. Also, successful spottings help to raise the ASW skill level of the spotting aircraft.
I like to achieve good density by trying to stay all green in my search patterns. Green is searched in the AM and blue in the PM air phase. It only goes to blue if it can not cover the assigned area with green. Being green with excess planes flying puts multiple planes in the search area, further increassing chances. I do all of these plus will often have multiple units searching overlapping areas.

At the end of the day I want it to be hard for him to move his subs without being detected.

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Dec 11, 41
G3M2 Nell reports object under water at 60, 71 near Saigon
H6K4 Mavis reports periscope at 102, 92 near Ulithi
H6K4 Mavis reports oil slick at 143, 120 near Majuro
C5M2 Babs reports submarine wake at 79, 68 near Laoag
E13A1 Jake reports submarine wake at 51, 73 near Patani
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports turbulence in water at 88, 67 near Iriomote
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports diving submarine at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports diving submarine at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports shape below surface at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports turbulence in water at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports oil slick at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports conning tower at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports shadow in water at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports suspected submarine at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object under water at 88, 67 near Iriomote
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports suspected submarine at 88, 67 near Iriomote
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports suspected submarine at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports oil slick at 81, 69 near Laoag
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports diving submarine at 88, 67 near Iriomote
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports shadow in water at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports radio transmissions at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports periscope at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object under water at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports turbulence in water at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports possible submarine at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports submarine wake at 88, 67 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports suspected submarine at 89, 64 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object under water at 88, 67 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports periscope wake at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object under water at 88, 67 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports shape below surface at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports diving submarine at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object near surface at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports suspected submarine at 88, 65 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports periscope at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object near surface at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports periscope wake at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object near surface at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports shadow in water at 88, 65 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object near surface at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports submarine at 88, 65 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports possible submarine at 88, 65 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports diving submarine at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object under water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports periscope at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports turbulence in water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports conning tower at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports turbulence in water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports diving submarine at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object near surface at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports periscope wake at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally from 60th Sentai attacking a KVIII Class class SS at 62,75
a KXI Class class SS is reported HIT
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports diving submarine at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports periscope at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports periscope at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports periscope wake at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports shape below surface at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports periscope at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports radio transmissions at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports radio transmissions at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports radio transmissions at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports shape below surface at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object under water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports shadow in water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports turbulence in water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports periscope wake at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-51 Sonia reports shape below surface at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-51 Sonia reports oil slick at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-51 Sonia reports shape below surface at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-51 Sonia from 52nd I.F.Chutai attacking a O19 Class class SS at 83,66
Ki-36 Ida reports submarine wake at 83, 66 near Takao
G3M2 Nell sighting report: 6 Allied ships at 132,114 near Roi-Namur, speed 20, Moving East
G3M2 Nell reports periscope wake at 139, 108 near Taongi
G3M2 Nell reports object under water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
G3M2 Nell sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 55,75 near Kota Bharu, speed 13, Moving Southwest
G3M2 Nell reports object near surface at 60, 73 near Saigon
G3M2 Nell reports object under water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
G3M2 Nell reports submarine wake at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
H6K4 Mavis reports turbulence in water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
G3M2 Nell sighting report: 10 Allied ships at 78,67 near Swatow, speed 10, Moving Southeast
G3M2 Nell reports oil slick at 83, 66 near Takao
G3M2 Nell reports possible submarine at 56, 76 near Soc Trang
E8N2 Dave reports periscope at 51, 73 near Patani
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports oil slick at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object under water at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports possible submarine at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports conning tower at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports possible submarine at 88, 67 near Iriomote
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports conning tower at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports turbulence in water at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object near surface at 83, 70 near Calayan
Ki-48-Ib Lily from 8th Sentai attacking SS Seal at 83,69
SS Seal is reported HIT
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object under water at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports shape below surface at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object under water at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports oil slick at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object near surface at 88, 67 near Iriomote
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports turbulence in water at 83, 70 near Calayan
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports oil slick at 88, 67 near Iriomote
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports turbulence in water at 83, 70 near Calayan
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports oil slick at 81, 69 near Laoag
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports diving submarine at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports radio transmissions at 81, 69 near Laoag
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports diving submarine at 81, 69 near Laoag
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object near surface at 81, 69 near Laoag
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object under water at 83, 70 near Calayan
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports conning tower at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports suspected submarine at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports diving submarine at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports shape below surface at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine wake at 81, 69 near Laoag
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports suspected submarine at 89, 64 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports possible submarine at 89, 64 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports periscope wake at 88, 67 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports diving submarine at 89, 64 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports turbulence in water at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports suspected submarine at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object under water at 88, 65 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports submarine wake at 88, 65 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports radio transmissions at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally from 14th Sentai attacking SS S-38 at 83,69
SS S-38 is reported HIT
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports shape below surface at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports periscope at 83, 69 near Itbayat Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports shape below surface at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports shape below surface at 88, 65 near Iriomote
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports possible submarine at 83, 70 near Calayan
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object under water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports diving submarine at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports turbulence in water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports suspected submarine at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports shape below surface at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports periscope wake at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally from 60th Sentai attacking an Allied SS at 62,75
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports radio transmissions at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports oil slick at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object under water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports periscope at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object under water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object under water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports suspected submarine at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports shadow in water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports shadow in water at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports periscope at 62, 75 near Cam Ranh Bay
Ki-51 Sonia reports object near surface at 83, 66 near Takao
Ki-51 Sonia reports shadow in water at 84, 65 near Takao
Ki-36 Ida reports object near surface at 83, 66 near Takao
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OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR Dec 12, 41
G3M2 Nell reports periscope wake at 60, 71 near Saigon
B4Y1 Jean reports conning tower at 113, 61 near Yokohama/Yokosuka
G3M2 Nell reports oil slick at 73, 65 near Kiungshan
E13A1 Jake reports object under water at 59, 82 near Groot Natoena
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports object under water at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine at 82, 68 near Hengchun
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports conning tower at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports oil slick at 82, 68 near Hengchun
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports periscope at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports suspected submarine at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports conning tower at 82, 70 near Laoag
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports possible submarine at 82, 70 near Laoag
Ki-48-Ib Lily from 8th Sentai attacking a O19 Class class SS at 87,67
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports diving submarine at 84, 70 near Batan Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports shadow in water at 82, 70 near Laoag
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports oil slick at 82, 70 near Laoag
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine wake at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports radio transmissions at 82, 70 near Laoag
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports shadow in water at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports turbulence in water at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily from 8th Sentai attacking a Porpoise class SS at 87,67
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports conning tower at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally from 12th Sentai attacking a Electric Boat S-18 class SS at 87,67
an Allied SS is reported HIT
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports suspected submarine at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports submarine wake at 87, 62 near Taihoku
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports diving submarine at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports shadow in water at 82, 68 near Hengchun
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object near surface at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports possible submarine at 82, 68 near Hengchun
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports submarine wake at 82, 68 near Hengchun
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports submarine wake at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
F1M2 Pete reports suspected submarine at 82, 97 near Talaud-eilanden
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports diving submarine at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports suspected submarine at 86, 71 near Batan Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports radio transmissions at 84, 70 near Batan Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports periscope at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine at 84, 70 near Batan Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports periscope at 82, 70 near Laoag
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports periscope wake at 86, 71 near Batan Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine at 82, 68 near Hengchun
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine wake at 84, 70 near Batan Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports periscope wake at 86, 71 near Batan Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports shadow in water at 82, 70 near Laoag
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports conning tower at 86, 71 near Batan Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports conning tower at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine at 82, 68 near Hengchun
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports shadow in water at 82, 68 near Hengchun
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports turbulence in water at 84, 70 near Batan Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports submarine wake at 87, 67 near Orchid Island
Ki-48-Ib Lily reports diving submarine at 86, 71 near Batan Island
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports possible submarine at 82, 68 near Hengchun
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports object near surface at 82, 68 near Hengchun
Ki-21-IIa Sally reports periscope at 84, 70 near Batan Island

[MikeS4269]

I just started my first ever GC vs the A I last night and the above post just made me dizzy. [X(]

I want to go back to Guadalcanal!!! (whimper whimper)

[offenseman]

lol  yeah I know what you mean.  seydlitz loves working the subs and ASW. He is also quite good at both.  Somehow I think he can read those reports more clearly than many of us.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: offenseman

Kongo steaming hard to bombard Miri

Umm - I think Kongo is overdue for her upgrades for 1920, 1931 and 1939 ...

[seydlitz_slith]

ORIGINAL: lb4269

I just started my first ever GC vs the A I last night and the above post just made me dizzy. [X(]

I want to go back to Guadalcanal!!! (whimper whimper)

Yes, it can be dizzying indeed. I almost didn't post the exhaustive list but if I hadn't then people would have doubted the number of sightings.

It also served to show that it is the Army and not the Navy that is looking to the protection of Japan's shipping.

I think the navy is off showboating around in their battleships and carriers drinking all of our precious fuel oil while the Army is tending to the true work of protecting commerce in the empire.[:D]

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: offenseman

The KB supported the landings at Manado. With no enemy air opposition, the jungle was effectively bombed.

LOL [:D] Great use of humour to spice up the delivery of grim reports!
BTW, I heard there is a guy named Milo that can get you some Agent Orange for more effective defoliation. Contact Canoerebel for detalis ...

[seydlitz_slith]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: offenseman

Kongo steaming hard to bombard Miri

Umm - I think Kongo is overdue for her upgrades for 1920, 1931 and 1939 ...

No, it is actually the same ship.....the camo job just makes her look unmodified. [:D]
After all, the Japanese were the masters at hiding the actual upgrades of their ships from the eyes of the west.[:D]

[BBfanboy]

Ah-So! I should have guessed that all that smoke was hiding something and not just the result of substandard coal!

[offenseman]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Ah-So! I should have guessed that all that smoke was hiding something and not just the result of substandard coal!

It was running a little rich that day....

[offenseman]

The multitude of Allied single ship TFs continues to attempt to elude the Imperial Japanese might. xAK Munlock accidentally found a Heavy Screening force. Munlock fought valiantly but its.45 calibre pistols were out ranged and Munlock lost the encounter.

[offenseman]

Turn 4 Dec 13-14. The previous post was also from that turn

Aerial attempts to bomb the Chinese back to the Ming Dynasty saw a "resting" group of Bettys firebomb Wenchow. The glow from many fires could be seen for miles

[offenseman]

The retreat of Allied ships from Hong Kong and the PI is being interdicted by SCTFs, Subs, and Air assets of the JAAF and JNAF. Here some JNAF airpower catches one of the few multiple ship TFs attempting to flee.