Long Tom Accuracy
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Long Tom Accuracy
REferring to device 1161 ...
Accuracy on this gun is 25%, about 6x the accuracy of similar weapons. Just curious, yes this is a famous weapon ... but does this seem correct?
As I understand it accuracy is a combination of both to-hit and ROF.
Asking experts here as I am not.
Thanks.
Accuracy on this gun is 25%, about 6x the accuracy of similar weapons. Just curious, yes this is a famous weapon ... but does this seem correct?
As I understand it accuracy is a combination of both to-hit and ROF.
Asking experts here as I am not.
Thanks.
Pax
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
It doesn't seem correct to me either. It looks like the range was entered by mistake and it should probably be a 4 for ROF.
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
If memory serves me correctly, the 155 gun was an extremely accurate weapon. Used for counter battery fire at Corp or Division level, I don't remember which.
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
ORIGINAL: oldman45
If memory serves me correctly, the 155 gun was an extremely accurate weapon. Used for counter battery fire at Corp or Division level, I don't remember which.
Corps. Division had 155 howitzers and a couple types of 105 howitzers.
Harry Erwin
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"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
So far my experience (and I am only in '42) is that these weapons are definately accurate and they are used by Regiments as well. They eat fast transports and especially slow moving transports for breakfast, lunch and diner. Whether this is or is not accurate I leave to the crowd to be decided. I definately fear them.
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
Editor accuracy probably doesn't equal accuracy in real life. As you say, things like ROF are rolled into it as well and only Grigsby and the devs know what else, so it's rather pointless for us to be discussing it I think.
The AE-Wiki, help fill it out
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
While the "device" is a single unit, is it possible it was boosted to simulate the very often used "Time On Target" type firing this gun was used for?

RE: Long Tom Accuracy
ORIGINAL: Smeulders
Editor accuracy probably doesn't equal accuracy in real life. As you say, things like ROF are rolled into it as well and only Grigsby and the devs know what else, so it's rather pointless for us to be discussing it I think.
Exactly why I have brought it up here ....
ORIGINAL: Herrbear
It doesn't seem correct to me either. It looks like the range was entered by mistake and it should probably be a 4 for ROF.
My concern. It does look like an oops. Accuracy might want to be 6 - 8 ... that would be double what most other guns are in the game ...
And I too have found these to be REALLY deadly. To me beyond what they really were.
Pax
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RE: Long Tom Accuracy
ORIGINAL: d0mbo
So far my experience (and I am only in '42) is that these weapons are definately accurate and they are used by Regiments as well. They eat fast transports and especially slow moving transports for breakfast, lunch and diner. Whether this is or is not accurate I leave to the crowd to be decided. I definately fear them.
The 155mm Gun was the Army's chosen weapon for Coast Defense..., which might have something to do with the numbers. When used in this role, the units had specially designed mobile mountings, radar fire direction, and naval-style fire control. And they were quite effective. Most Army artillery (on both sides) used in this fashion was simply regular artillery which happened to be on the coast..., but the "Long Toms" could actually function as honest-to-God Coast Artillery.
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
Now that would explain things ... I wonder if accuracy comes into play for ground combat? Maybe not, and thus allows the devs to use it for CD only.ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1
The 155mm Gun was the Army's chosen weapon for Coast Defense..., which might have something to do with the numbers. When used in this role, the units had specially designed mobile mountings, radar fire direction, and naval-style fire control.
Interesting.
I've posted a link to this in the ground thread as well. Maybe Andy will comment.
Pax
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
Was the Long Tom an adaptation of a naval gun?
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
ORIGINAL: Ranger5355
Was the Long Tom an adaptation of a naval gun?
It descended from a heavy gun used in the French Army.
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
It descended from a heavy gun used in the French Army.
This gun was the 155mm GPF (Grande Puissance Filloux). More details here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_155mm_GPF
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RE: Long Tom Accuracy
Interesting, thanks!ORIGINAL: Gilbert
It descended from a heavy gun used in the French Army.
This gun was the 155mm GPF (Grande Puissance Filloux). More details here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_155mm_GPF
Gilbert
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
Interesting. I love arcane stuff like this [:)]
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RE: Long Tom Accuracy
ORIGINAL: stuman
Interesting. I love acane stuff like this [:)]
The spelling came through garbled. Do you mean arcane or inane? [;)]
Harry Erwin
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
"For a number to make sense in the game, someone has to calibrate it and program code. There are too many significant numbers that behave non-linearly to expect that. It's just a game. Enjoy it." herwin@btinternet.com
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
The gun was deadly accurate at around 2000 yards... the USAA used them on the Siegfried Line where they would park a gun a 2000 yards and pick off concrete bunkers with a single shot. They are also employed in attacking one German city in a similar fashion (??Aachen), and were used with such effectiveness that the German commander protested and demanded that they be made illegal as a weapon of war... the US commanders just laughed at him.ORIGINAL: Gilbert
It descended from a heavy gun used in the French Army.
This gun was the 155mm GPF (Grande Puissance Filloux). More details here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_155mm_GPF
Gilbert
RE: Long Tom Accuracy
ORIGINAL: herwin
ORIGINAL: stuman
Interesting. I love acane stuff like this [:)]
The spelling came through garbled. Do you mean arcane or inane? [;)]
Ha, well I meant arcane, but inane may apply as well [:)]
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RE: Long Tom Accuracy
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
The gun was deadly accurate at around 2000 yards... the USAA used them on the Siegfried Line where they would park a gun a 2000 yards and pick off concrete bunkers with a single shot. They are also employed in attacking one German city in a similar fashion (??Aachen), and were used with such effectiveness that the German commander protested and demanded that they be made illegal as a weapon of war... the US commanders just laughed at him.ORIGINAL: Gilbert
It descended from a heavy gun used in the French Army.
This gun was the 155mm GPF (Grande Puissance Filloux). More details here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_155mm_GPF
Gilbert
He cried that using it in that fashion was gamey! [:D]
THAT is a good weapon! [8D]
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RE: Long Tom Accuracy
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