Long Tom Accuracy

PaxMondo · Post by **PaxMondo** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:26 am

REferring to device 1161 ...

Accuracy on this gun is 25%, about 6x the accuracy of similar weapons. Just curious, yes this is a famous weapon ... but does this seem correct?

As I understand it accuracy is a combination of both to-hit and ROF.

Asking experts here as I am not.

Thanks.

Herrbear · Post by **Herrbear** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:18 am

It doesn't seem correct to me either. It looks like the range was entered by mistake and it should probably be a 4 for ROF.

oldman45 · Post by **oldman45** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:03 am

If memory serves me correctly, the 155 gun was an extremely accurate weapon. Used for counter battery fire at Corp or Division level, I don't remember which.

herwin · Post by **herwin** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:27 am

ORIGINAL: oldman45

If memory serves me correctly, the 155 gun was an extremely accurate weapon. Used for counter battery fire at Corp or Division level, I don't remember which.

Corps. Division had 155 howitzers and a couple types of 105 howitzers.

d0mbo · Post by **d0mbo** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:04 am

So far my experience (and I am only in '42) is that these weapons are definately accurate and they are used by Regiments as well. They eat fast transports and especially slow moving transports for breakfast, lunch and diner. Whether this is or is not accurate I leave to the crowd to be decided. I definately fear them.
 
 
 
 

Smeulders · Post by **Smeulders** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:12 am

Editor accuracy probably doesn't equal accuracy in real life. As you say, things like ROF are rolled into it as well and only Grigsby and the devs know what else, so it's rather pointless for us to be discussing it I think.

m10bob · Post by **m10bob** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:04 am

While the "device" is a single unit, is it possible it was boosted to simulate the very often used "Time On Target" type firing this gun was used for?

PaxMondo · Post by **PaxMondo** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:10 am

ORIGINAL: Smeulders

Editor accuracy probably doesn't equal accuracy in real life. As you say, things like ROF are rolled into it as well and only Grigsby and the devs know what else, so it's rather pointless for us to be discussing it I think.

Exactly why I have brought it up here ....

ORIGINAL: Herrbear

It doesn't seem correct to me either. It looks like the range was entered by mistake and it should probably be a 4 for ROF.

My concern. It does look like an oops. Accuracy might want to be 6 - 8 ... that would be double what most other guns are in the game ...

And I too have found these to be REALLY deadly. To me beyond what they really were.

mike scholl 1 · Post by **mike scholl 1** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:56 am

ORIGINAL: d0mbo

So far my experience (and I am only in '42) is that these weapons are definately accurate and they are used by Regiments as well. They eat fast transports and especially slow moving transports for breakfast, lunch and diner. Whether this is or is not accurate I leave to the crowd to be decided. I definately fear them.

The 155mm Gun was the Army's chosen weapon for Coast Defense..., which might have something to do with the numbers. When used in this role, the units had specially designed mobile mountings, radar fire direction, and naval-style fire control. And they were quite effective. Most Army artillery (on both sides) used in this fashion was simply regular artillery which happened to be on the coast..., but the "Long Toms" could actually function as honest-to-God Coast Artillery.

PaxMondo · Post by **PaxMondo** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:11 am

ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1

The 155mm Gun was the Army's chosen weapon for Coast Defense..., which might have something to do with the numbers. When used in this role, the units had specially designed mobile mountings, radar fire direction, and naval-style fire control.

Now that would explain things ... I wonder if accuracy comes into play for ground combat? Maybe not, and thus allows the devs to use it for CD only.

Interesting.

I've posted a link to this in the ground thread as well. Maybe Andy will comment.

LeeChard · Post by **LeeChard** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:41 pm

Was the Long Tom an adaptation of a naval gun?

herwin · Post by **herwin** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:51 pm

ORIGINAL: Ranger5355

Was the Long Tom an adaptation of a naval gun?

It descended from a heavy gun used in the French Army.

Gilbert · Post by **Gilbert** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:14 pm

It descended from a heavy gun used in the French Army.

This gun was the 155mm GPF (Grande Puissance Filloux). More details here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_155mm_GPF

Gilbert

LeeChard · Post by **LeeChard** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:38 pm

ORIGINAL: Gilbert

It descended from a heavy gun used in the French Army.

This gun was the 155mm GPF (Grande Puissance Filloux). More details here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_155mm_GPF

Gilbert

Interesting, thanks!

stuman · Post by **stuman** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:26 am

Interesting. I love arcane stuff like this [:)]

herwin · Post by **herwin** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:55 am

ORIGINAL: stuman

Interesting. I love acane stuff like this [:)]

The spelling came through garbled. Do you mean arcane or inane? [;)]

rtrapasso · Post by **rtrapasso** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:52 am

ORIGINAL: Gilbert

It descended from a heavy gun used in the French Army.

This gun was the 155mm GPF (Grande Puissance Filloux). More details here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_155mm_GPF

Gilbert

The gun was deadly accurate at around 2000 yards... the USAA used them on the Siegfried Line where they would park a gun a 2000 yards and pick off concrete bunkers with a single shot. They are also employed in attacking one German city in a similar fashion (??Aachen), and were used with such effectiveness that the German commander protested and demanded that they be made illegal as a weapon of war... the US commanders just laughed at him.

stuman · Post by **stuman** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:28 am

ORIGINAL: herwin

ORIGINAL: stuman

Interesting. I love acane stuff like this [:)]

The spelling came through garbled. Do you mean arcane or inane? [;)]

Ha, well I meant arcane, but inane may apply as well [:)]

USSAmerica · Post by **USSAmerica** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:32 am

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: Gilbert

It descended from a heavy gun used in the French Army.

This gun was the 155mm GPF (Grande Puissance Filloux). More details here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_155mm_GPF

Gilbert
The gun was deadly accurate at around 2000 yards... the USAA used them on the Siegfried Line where they would park a gun a 2000 yards and pick off concrete bunkers with a single shot. They are also employed in attacking one German city in a similar fashion (??Aachen), and were used with such effectiveness that the German commander protested and demanded that they be made illegal as a weapon of war... the US commanders just laughed at him.

He cried that using it in that fashion was gamey! [:D]

THAT is a good weapon! [8D]

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