RE: 1.04.36 KLilly vs Fulkerson T7

Peltonx · Post by **Peltonx** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:15 pm

Wow big improvement Larry [:)]

This the same guy that was kicking you around last game?

Me thinks you have got the hang of the game now.

Great Job.

Pelton

JKLilly · Post by **JKLilly** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:31 pm

Hello all:

So this game isn't like the last one, is it? On the positive side, my mobile forces are in great shape. However, I captured nothing in Barbarossa. As soon as I recognized this, I called off the offensive with a view toward force preservation.

So the big choice for 42 is whether or not to go over to the offensive. In my last game, I took a decent position and turned it into a quick loss (vs. Farfarer) by attacking badly and aggressively just prior to the last mud turn (don't ask). Now I've got a much improved Fulkerson with a massive army.

Looking forward to spring.

Farfarer61 · Post by **Farfarer61** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:07 pm

JK was awesome and trapped two Front HQs and 50 good Divs in a Leningard isolation move that I thought I was proof against. Hubris will get you every time! It only went to sh*t for him when he accidentally attacked spring 42 one turn too early, so my exposed counter_attacking units were defended by Mud. That event fatally changed the initiative cycle in the early summer 42 campaign to Axis-reactive, vice Soviet reactive. We played about 6 turns where I had a pocket of 24 originally uber_divs isolated, unisolated, repeat so multiple Guards Divs are down to CV1 and Russian LB_cum_supply transports litter the ground. Guards Tank Corps are surrendering to his attacks.
I made a lucky thrust and connected those two cheesy Rumanian towns (Husi? Vlasi?) to the grid and poof Rumanian surrender. I began a long term unsupportable attack with the Kalinnin Front to take off the pressure in the south. Casualties were about 5M Sov to 2M Axis. JK resigned and I totally understood. All the turn after turn nail biting was over, my industry was off map etc., Red Army re-organized.

P.S. JK managed to keep an entire front at a Division per hex, none unready, for the whole blizzard. I could only broadfront push him back, no holes. As Axis, I have never made it without regiments on the front, rotating units, lowering TOEs etc.

PPS. Hope this isnt considered a thread hijack

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:36 am

ORIGINAL: Pelton
Wow big improvement Larry
This the same guy that was kicking you around last game?
Me thinks you have got the hang of the game now.
Great Job.
Pelton

Yep, same guy. I got lucky this time and somehow always had units in front of his spearheads during the June '41 -> Dec. '41 push. Now I'm probably getting into trouble just before the spring Axis offensive by continuing to gain ground in the SW of Leningrad area. He's got Panzers nearby but I'm not sure they are fueled up ready to go. Probably.

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:36 am

ORIGINAL: Farfarer
PPS. Hope this isnt considered a thread hijack

No, by all means post interesting stuff. This AAR needs interesting stuff posted in it.

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:12 am

Here's the turn 42 front lines before any Soviet movement has ensued:

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:29 am

I made a big effort to rail some people into this area and made big plans for a east-west front line just south of Talinin and KLilly just makes his own front line before I can make mine. It seems like a waste unless I make a big deal out of this. The people are there and the Axis fortifications aren't all that great toward the north end.......maybe I can get some traction here.

M60A3TTS · Post by **M60A3TTS** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:48 am

If I was playing the Axis now, I would consider hurling 3 Panzer Armies against your forces southeast of Kiev that at least from this vantage point seems thinly defended.  A breakthrough and drive along the eastern bank of the Dnepr towards D-town would be posssible here and could threaten to unhinge your entire southern front. 

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:36 am

I took a look at the Commanders Report under the units tab and sorted for kills highest at the top and it looks like most of the kills were made by the bombers and not the fighters. Does that mean that I have my fighters too far away from the Axis airfields?

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:44 am

Here's a Commanders Report listing all the Army and Corps HQ's and it looks like all the Airborne Corps have a 'CP' problem that I need to look at.

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:56 am

The 5th Airborne Corps is one of those above who had a 'CP' problem and as you can see below the 5th Airborne Corps has just 24 points of CP assigned just like I like it. I don't know why it shows up in the CR as having a problem. Anybody have an idea?

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:19 am

Here's my moves with an overlay showing my attacks:

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:25 am

Here's the oob, losses, destroyed units, and production for T42:

cpt flam · Post by **cpt flam** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:36 am

hi Larry
army have CP
but corps have 8 only
better remember that [&o]

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:21 am

ORIGINAL: cpt flam
army have [24] CP
but corps have 8 only
better remember that

Oh. I did not know that. Thanks. No wonder they are way over their CP allowance.

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:29 am

Here's the T43 front lines before any Soviet movement has happened:

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:26 am

I did some Axis airbase attacks and some 1/2 hearted attacks that didn't go anywhere but nothing much changed on the map. Here's the oob, losses, destroyed units, and production:

Flapdrol · Post by **Flapdrol** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:01 pm

In the last two turns I count:
142K Soviet v 11K Axis
1500 Guns vs 400 Axis
100 AFV vs 0 Axis

What are you trying to achieve with the attacks? Am I missing something?

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:40 pm

ORIGINAL: Flapdrol
In the last two turns I count:
142K Soviet v 11K Axis
1500 Guns vs 400 Axis
100 AFV vs 0 Axis

What are you trying to achieve with the attacks? Am I missing something?

Yeah, I noticed that as well. I thought the goal was to wear down the Axis through attacks even though they are costly. The last two turns the attacks are a bit more costly than usual. I guess I'm hoping to forstall any Axis attacks because the Axis units are a little too "worn down" to do any attacks. I'm leaning toward the notion that I need the better loss ratio ( at least 1:2 or better Axis:Soviet loss ratio ) before this technique can be considered successful. Otherwise I'm just losing people needlessly.

Flapdrol · Post by **Flapdrol** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:27 pm

[align=left]I think that you don't quite need 1:2, you have most of your Armament Factories, since you hold most of the Motherland you must receive a lot of manpower every turn, and you have a pool full of tanks. But 13:1 definitely is not good enough.

BTW: Is there a way to get those 2500 armored cars in the line somehow? Or will they languish in the pool forever?
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