Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
Dood...I thought you weren't gonna say anything more about Allied flak? [:'(][&:]ORIGINAL: crsutton
I will say nothing more about Allied naval flak. The fact that you only shot down 90 aircraft with flak demonstrates how totally screwed up this aspect of the game is.
ORIGINAL: witpqs
"Remain on Station" negates the React range setting. "Remain on Station" means "don't React". The developers explicitly confirmed this.
Patrol zones work great! In fact if you really want a sub (or whatever) to sit in one hex but still use a React setting, then just use a one-hex patrol (i.e. set only one patrol way point).
I agree with SqzMyLemon - use full-on patrol zones. They work!
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Princeps Bolton.... i know what you mean.... i know it's not wise at this point of the war to go on frontal assault...i don't need it...i could simply sit on my thumbs and bomb him into oblivion for the next 12 months...waiting for the a-bomb....
But you know what? I wanna end this match in glory. Wanna see a titanic combo of BB battles, Kamikaze, air battles, CVvsCV...huge armies stuck on the beaches...thousands of deaths
Why? because it's a game after all... under a certain point of view the war is already over...i mean...the allies are less than 500 miles from the enemy capital...and soon we'll bomb the Emperor's palace...
My personal war...meaning my war against the learning curve, has been won. Now i simply wanna make these last months of this match equally fun for me and for rader...and, cannot deny, for you readers.
This is a show after all...and the show must go on!
furthermore...how am i supposed to get 1,000,000 of men, 1500 ships, thousands of planes, 3,000,000 of supplies from Hokkaido to the Philippines?...i think right now my operative choices are simply two: Japan or keep on bombing till Rader dies of boredom
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Princeps Bolton.... i know what you mean.... i know it's not wise at this point of the war to go on frontal assault...i don't need it...i could simply sit on my thumbs and bomb him into oblivion for the next 12 months...waiting for the a-bomb....
But you know what? I wanna end this match in glory. Wanna see a titanic combo of BB battles, Kamikaze, air battles, CVvsCV...huge armies stuck on the beaches...thousands of deaths
Why? because it's a game after all... under a certain point of view the war is already over...i mean...the allies are less than 500 miles from the enemy capital...and soon we'll bomb the Emperor's palace...
My personal war...meaning my war against the learning curve, has been won. Now i simply wanna make these last months of this match equally fun for me and for rader...and, cannot deny, for you readers.
This is a show after all...and the show must go on!
furthermore...how am i supposed to get 1,000,000 of men, 1500 ships, thousands of planes, 3,000,000 of supplies from Hokkaido to the Philippines?...i think right now my operative choices are simply two: Japan or keep on bombing till Rader dies of boredom
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
ORIGINAL: witpqs
"Remain on Station" negates the React range setting. "Remain on Station" means "don't React". The developers explicitly confirmed this.
Patrol zones work great! In fact if you really want a sub (or whatever) to sit in one hex but still use a React setting, then just use a one-hex patrol (i.e. set only one patrol way point).
I agree with SqzMyLemon - use full-on patrol zones. They work!
The choice is between "remain on station" and "retirement allowed" are you saying in order to react retirement allowed must be set? That I understand is to allow reaction away from a force not to commit to combat?
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
ORIGINAL: witpqs
"Remain on Station" negates the React range setting. "Remain on Station" means "don't React". The developers explicitly confirmed this.
Patrol zones work great! In fact if you really want a sub (or whatever) to sit in one hex but still use a React setting, then just use a one-hex patrol (i.e. set only one patrol way point).
I agree with SqzMyLemon - use full-on patrol zones. They work!
The choice is between "remain on station" and "retirement allowed" are you saying in order to react retirement allowed must be set? That I understand is to allow reaction away from a force not to commit to combat?
If you have a TF (sub or otherwise) on Patrol or just moving along with 'Retirement Allowed' then it can react according to the 'React Range' that you have set; however 'Remain on Station' specifically tells the TF Do Not React! So say the developers, and my experience has been consistent with that.
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
The choice is between "remain on station" and "retirement allowed" are you saying in order to react retirement allowed must be set? That I understand is to allow reaction away from a force not to commit to combat?
If you have a TF (sub or otherwise) on Patrol or just moving along with 'Retirement Allowed' then it can react according to the 'React Range' that you have set; however 'Remain on Station' specifically tells the TF Do Not React! So say the developers, and my experience has been consistent with that.
Ok, so now i understood...that's why...
Ok guys...tomorrow we'll bomb TOKYO!!!!
300 4Es will bomb a/c industries, while 2502Es and 200 Avengers will bomb the port where CA, CLs and DDs are spotted...let's see if i can get a lucky shot
As always, heavy escort and heavy sweep
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: witpqs
If you have a TF (sub or otherwise) on Patrol or just moving along with 'Retirement Allowed' then it can react according to the 'React Range' that you have set; however 'Remain on Station' specifically tells the TF Do Not React! So say the developers, and my experience has been consistent with that.
Ok, so now i understood...that's why...
Ok guys...tomorrow we'll bomb TOKYO!!!!
300 4Es will bomb a/c industries, while 2502Es and 200 Avengers will bomb the port where CA, CLs and DDs are spotted...let's see if i can get a lucky shot
As always, heavy escort and heavy sweep
OK two lessons today .. one is "Retirement allowed" really means "allow reaction" .. the second lesson is far more complex. It seems that mult-day behavior is way different than one turn a day behavior. Escorting good on multiday .. at least ...I have a lot of clicking to do GreyJoy in my game ..
Not everybody. I claim voice in the wilderness on this one[:D][:D][:D]And, despite what everybody thinks, escort DOES make all the difference in the world!!!
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
OK two lessons today .. one is "Retirement allowed" really means "allow reaction" .. the second lesson is far more complex. It seems that mult-day behavior is way different than one turn a day behavior. Escorting good on multiday .. at least ...I have a lot of clicking to do GreyJoy in my game ..
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
OK two lessons today .. one is "Retirement allowed" really means "allow reaction" .. the second lesson is far more complex. It seems that mult-day behavior is way different than one turn a day behavior. Escorting good on multiday .. at least ...I have a lot of clicking to do GreyJoy in my game ..
Not exactly. "Remain on Station" and "Retirement Allowed" are opposite and have to do with 'stay there' versus 'going home is OK'. This is the basic usage. Concerning 'React' range settings, think in terms of Halsey at the battle off Samar. Oh, wait - Halsey wasn't there because he Reacted and went somewhere else! So, when you tell a TF "Remain on Station" you are telling "and I mean stay right there - no Halseys!!!" [:D]
With Retirement Allowed the TF might go home or might React, at the TF commander's discretion.
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
OK two lessons today .. one is "Retirement allowed" really means "allow reaction" .. the second lesson is far more complex. It seems that mult-day behavior is way different than one turn a day behavior. Escorting good on multiday .. at least ...I have a lot of clicking to do GreyJoy in my game ..
Not exactly. "Remain on Station" and "Retirement Allowed" are opposite and have to do with 'stay there' versus 'going home is OK'. This is the basic usage. Concerning 'React' range settings, think in terms of Halsey at the battle off Samar. Oh, wait - Halsey wasn't there because he Reacted and went somewhere else! So, when you tell a TF "Remain on Station" you are telling "and I mean stay right there - no Halseys!!!" [:D]
With Retirement Allowed the TF might go home or might React, at the TF commander's discretion.
There is a third option ...'Patrol Zones" Many of my submarines have patrol zones that move wihtin a 2 - 6 hex area ..the picture is shown below .. I wonder if reaction occurs within a patrol zone?
ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
Not everybody. I claim voice in the wilderness on this one[:D][:D][:D]And, despite what everybody thinks, escort DOES make all the difference in the world!!!
ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
Hopefully the sub fix will provide advance warning. Problem here is that the Rader is attacking from the South and you can't really cut him off. Be nice to take Formosa or Okinawa. Iwo Jima would not hurt. I would not, however, expect Rader to repeat the same move with the KB. If him comes at you again, it will come from a different direction.
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
ORIGINAL: castor troy
I totally disagree here...
I didn't say that CVEs weren't important and very helpful. I said that under the circumstances, GJ can proceed with his invasion plans. He won't need to risk his fleet carriers. For goodness sakes, his invaison beaches are one to two hexes away from a friendly level nine airfield. That, and the fact that he has two-day turns and plenty of APA, AP, AKA, AK, LSD and LST will permit him to do what needs to be done. It won't be a bloodless coup, but it can be done.
ORIGINAL: castor troy
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
ORIGINAL: castor troy
I totally disagree here...
I didn't say that CVEs weren't important and very helpful. I said that under the circumstances, GJ can proceed with his invasion plans. He won't need to risk his fleet carriers. For goodness sakes, his invaison beaches are one to two hexes away from a friendly level nine airfield. That, and the fact that he has two-day turns and plenty of APA, AP, AKA, AK, LSD and LST will permit him to do what needs to be done. It won't be a bloodless coup, but it can be done.
yes, that's true. But to be honest, I can't see how an invasion at these beaches can work because these beaches already have hundreds of thousand Japanese and halve a million more can be railed in in just a couple of days. I can't see how these bases can be taken as they surely have level 6 forts at least.
The key to an invasion of any of the remaining home islands IMO is to land somewhere where the Japanese aren't 100% prepared yet, basically means at the other side of Japan and that can only be done with huge carrier support (after the Japanese airforce has lost 2/3 of it's strenght in the fights that are brought in from the big bases GJ already owns). If an invasion doesn't take the base within the first couple of days I would consider it failed already because even if 10.000 Allied av land at a clear hex I can't see them taking the base in a couple of days when the enemy has 5.000 av sitting there behind level 6 forts with the abilitiy to rail in a dozen divisions more. The only time I have seen a succesful invasion of Japan with the Allied not being bogged down on the ground was when they were landing at several spots within a "short" period while being able to take a couple of bases and exploit that. Landing a huge Army on one spot usually means facing a huge enemy Army and then it's Sitzkrieg for months.
