Citizens of London facing German Army

[Razz1]

http://www.naval-history.net/


Unfortunately you have to read the whole history on many ships to determine where and when they should be in the game.

[Severian]

Thanks Razz

[aspqrz02]

ORIGINAL: Razz

@aspqrz

For sources, I used actual ship logs and Naval records among others like government sites, even written biographies by crew members.
Ship manifests.

I believe Total war is not as good a resource.

Indeed it is not.

I *used* to have an excellent book titled something liken "Navies of WW2" which I thought I couldn't find, but just did!

According to it, RN strength in 1939 (no deployments) -

15 BB (2 Nelsons [1927], Hood [1920], 2 Renown [1916/36-39], 5 Queen Elizabeth [1933-38])
6 CV (Ark Royal [1938], 2 Courageous [1917/1930], 1 Furious [1917/1925], 1 Eagle [converted 1924], Hermes [1924])
15 CA (2 Exeters [1930-31], 13 Countys [1928-30 ... inc 2 RAN])
40 CL (2 Edinburgh [1939], 8 Southamptons [1937-39], 4 Arethusas [1935-37], 3 Mod Leanders [1935-36, all RAN], 5 Leanders [1933-36, 2 RNZN], 2 Emeralds [1926], 3 Effinghams [191-25, 1 mod 1938], 8 Despatches [1918-22], 2 Capetowns [1917-1918, scheduled for conversion to CLAA, but not started], 3 Caledons [1917])
6 CLAA (6 C Class [1917-19/1936-39])
1 CM (Adventure [1927])
113 Modern DD (All 1927-39)
68 Old DD (All 1916-24) + 11 in hand for conversion to DE, but not started
47 Modern SS (All 1927-39)
12 Old SS (All 1918-19)
54 DE (All 1929-39, 4 RAN, 2 RInN)
42 Fleet Minesweepers (all 1929-39)
2 Monitors
2 Netlayers

Under construction (and should be in the production pipeline, as they have been paid for!)

9 BB
6 CV
8 CL
16 CLAA (see notes above)
4 CM
24 DD
12 SS
80 DE
10 Fleet Minesweepers

Regia Marina (June 1940)

6 BB (2 Cavour, 2 Littorio [both completed in August], 2 Doria [1 actually completed in July 1940])
7 CA (3 Trento, 4 Zara [all 1925-33])
12 CL (4 Da Barbiano, 2 Montecuccoli, 2 Cadorna, 2 Aosta, 2 Garibaldi [all 1928-37])
3 Old Cruisers (San Giorio, Taranto, Bari [all 1905-1914])
54 Modern DD (2 Sella, 4 Sauro, 8 Turbine, 12 Navigatori, 4 Oriani, 12 Alpino, 4 Dardo, 4 Folgore, 4 Grecale [all 1921-39])
5 Old DD (ex Scouts: 2 Mirabella, 3 Leone [all 1914-24])
63 Light Destroyers (Torpedo Boats: 1 Audace, 7 Pilo, 4 Sirtori, 4 Curtatone, 7 La Masa, 4 Palestra, 6 Generali [all 1913-24]; 30 Spica [all 1934-39])
122 Submarines (lots of classes, 6 *nearly* completed, all 1925-40)
7 Old SS (5 H Class, 2 X2 Class [laid up September])

New construction underway -

2 BB
12 CL
5 DD
17 SS

Marine Republique (1939)

8 BB (3 Courbet, 2 Dunkerque, 3 Bretagne)
1 CV (1927)
7 CA (2 Duquesne, 1 Algerie, 4 Suffren)
12 CL ()3 Duguay Trouin, 1 La Tour d'Auvergne (actual CLM), 1 Jeanne d'Arc (Training Ship), 1 Emil Bertin, 6 La Galissoniere)
78 DD (6 Chacal, 18 Bison, 6 Fantasque, 2 Mogador, 26 Bourrasque, 8 Le Hardi, 12 La Flore)
75 SS (9 Requin, 8 Ariane, 29 Acheron, 6 Saphir, 1 Surcouf, 22 Amazone)
63 Sloops/DE (33 WWI builds, 11 Bougainville, 13 Elan, 12 Chamois, 4 Flower Class)

Building (paid for) ...

4 BB (Richelieus)
2 CV
1 CA
3 CL
27 DD
38 SS
30 Sloops/Escorts

Kriegsmarine (1939)
2 BB (Scharnhorst [1939])
5 CA (1 Deutschland [1933], 2 Admiral Scheer [1934-36], 2 Admiral Hipper [1939])
6 CL (1 Emden [1925], 3 Konigsberg [1929-30], 1 Leipzig [1931], 1 Nurnberg [19356])
22 DD (16 Lebeerecht Maass [1937-39], 6 Dieter von Roeder [1938-39])
20 Small DD (Torpedo Boats: 6 Mowe [1926-29], 6 Wolf [1928-29], 8 T1 [1939])
59 SS (Assorted)

Building ...

2 BB laid down (9 Cancelled)
3 CA (1 completed, 1 sold incomplete to USSR, 1 never completed - all laid down)
3 CL laid down (+3 planned. ALL cancelled)
12 DD (Laid down)
13 Small DD
50 SS

I presume that the various nations get a chance to cancel the various new builds they have coming online?

And, I guess, there should be a mechanism for players to cancel Naval Builds at some point during the process, and get back some of the points spent. But that's probably too hard to implement.

Phil



For Submarines, the book I cited is probably one of the best sources available and I know where *it* is, anyway [;)]

Phil

[Severian]

6 CV (Ark Royal [1938], 2 Courageous [1917/1930], 1 Furious [1917/1925], 1 Eagle [converted 1924], Hermes [1924])

HMS Argus is missing.

Under construction (and should be in the production pipeline, as they have been paid for!)

9 BB

Whole Lion-class battleships were cancelled during war.
HMS Lion - started 04.07.1939, suspended in October 1939, cancelled in 1944
HMS Temeraire - started 01.06.1939, suspended in October 1939, cancelled in 1944
HMS Conqueror - never started
HMS Thunderer - never started

Only one battleship has been done - HMS Vanquard. About 4 other BB's never heard before.

8 BB (3 Courbet, 2 Dunkerque, 3 Bretagne)

3rd Courbet-class battleship, Ocean (ex-Jean Bart) has been disarmed and hulked in 1936.

Building (paid for) ...

4 BB (Richelieus)

Gascogne never started. Clemenceau's hull sink bombed in 1944.

I *used* to have an excellent book titled something liken "Navies of WW2" which I thought I couldn't find, but just did!

I had "Jane's Fightning Ships of World War II", but even there some things are missing

[aspqrz02]

ORIGINAL: Severian

I had "Jane's Fightning Ships of World War II", but even there some things are missing

Yes, I have it as well, but it is useless unless you wish to read each *single* entry to see when the ship was ordered/launched/operational/modified/lost ... and the version I have (a modern copy of the Postwar edition, as it has ships finished up until the late 1940's., which is, I presume, the one you have as well) doesn't cover some things that, offhand, I know are correct/incorrect.

The only thing I can currently be 100% certain of is the number of operational German U-Boats in 1939 and the number being used for training.

Phil