"Kosher" First-Day Landings

[Kereguelen]

ORIGINAL: armin

All are ok becouse from 7th december you have convoys heading in those directions. Except Manado and Ternate have no speed convoy just a regular one. Mersing should be done only with KB in area.

Ternat

Ternate and Manado invasion convoys were added for the convenience of the AI, historically the Japanese did land there in January 1942 (Manado on January 11th, 1942).

[Olorin]

ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols

If someone wondered, you can get to the Aleutians on turn 1:

A little scary [:)]

Yup, it can be done. Just change the magic move TF at Ominato to amphibious, merge APs from the port, load troops (but no supplies or fuel) and send them to Amchitka or Adak. They can reach it in turn 1.

[Dan Nichols]

This TF started in Samah.

[Olorin]

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In my tests, the TF destined to Bataan Isl. couldn't make it all the way to the Aleutians, so I am surprised that a TF starting in Hainan made the trip.

[Iridium]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Mersing is pushing it. Any Luzon or N. PI landings are fair game. Davao and Mindanao are right out. Anything south of there is out too, including Guam, IMO.

Really? Pretty sure on D1 Davao was raided by a DD Flotilla with cover from Mini-KB, all based out of Palau. Unfortunately for Japan, there was little to target there as most had moved away by then. Why is it so far fetched for them to launch a small landing at Davao since it's just a bit of an escalation from what happened in real life?

EDIT: I've confirmed this from Cpt. Hara's book, he mentions little response to their attacks and other than a run in with a sub of unknown origins, Dec. 7th went pretty smoothly but with little to show for it.

[SuluSea]

My opinion would be for scenario 1---->

IMO anything on the outside defensive perimeter in the Phillipines is fair game. North coast of Borneo from Kuching heading east as well . I'm with the same that view south of Khota on the first turn in Malaya and DEI should be off limits.

Here's my resoning for the Phillipines and north coast of Borneo or even Guam.. What's the time differnce from Pearl to Phillipines 8 hours? I believe if the Japanese Empire wanted to attack anything on the outside perimeter  of British North Borneo or the Philipines there was little to nothing that could have been done about it.  Since the lynchpin of everything --> the Pearl Harbor operation happened well in advance there was no fear of any moves tipping off an attack at Pearl.

Moving forward--- both sides benefit from hindsight there is no reason to handcuff Japan as once the Allies get the initiative Japan will get brutalized in part because of the the pace of operations (both sides benefit from), the ability this game provides to supply and knowledge both players have of the other sides forces  among others.

For scenario 2 ----> AARs where  you'll see Marines in Burma, the DEI, Indians, British, ANZAC in Japan , if the Allied comander isn't going to play with historical restraint any attack should be fair game.

[Canoerebel]

ORIGINAL: SuluSea
For scenario 2 AARs where  you'll see Marines in Burma, the DEI, Indians, British, ANZAC in Japan , if the Allied comander isn't going to play with historical restraint any attack should be fair game.

This made me smile. Japan is more powerful in Scenario Two, will (usually) go further and do wildly improbable things [which is fun!] but that Allies are in the wrong for committing AnZac troops to Japan? [:)]

[Q-Ball]

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

My opinion would be for scenario 1---->

IMO anything on the outside defensive perimeter in the Phillipines is fair game. North coast of Borneo from Kuching heading east as well . I'm with the same that view south of Khota on the first turn in Malaya and DEI should be off limits.

Here's my resoning for the Phillipines and north coast of Borneo or even Guam.. What's the time differnce from Pearl to Phillipines 8 hours? I believe if the Japanese Empire wanted to attack anything on the outside perimeter  of British North Borneo or the Philipines there was little to nothing that could have been done about it.  Since the lynchpin of everything --> the Pearl Harbor operation happened well in advance there was no fear of any moves tipping off an attack at Pearl.

Moving forward--- both sides benefit from hindsight there is no reason to handcuff Japan as once the Allies get the initiative Japan will get brutalized in part because of the the pace of operations (both sides benefit from), the ability this game provides to supply and knowledge both players have of the other sides forces  among others.

For scenario 2 AARs where I you'll see Marines in Burma, the DEI, Indians, British, ANZAC in Japan , if the Allied comander isn't going to play with historical restraint any attack should be fair game.

I tend to agree with you Sulu Sea. A convoy in the South China Sea heading south from Saigon would have raised significant alarms, but the Allies were already on high alert, as they spotted a ton of shipping in the Gulf of Siam on D-1. The only possible "what if" is what if Force Z had decided to sail for Brunei when convoys were spotted in South China Sea? Were they ready to do that even on D-1? Allies also didn't have much recon over S. China Sea as opposed to Gulf of Siam, so it's possible that shipping would not be spotted. RAF was keeping an eye on Gulf of Siam, for sure.

[SuluSea]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

ORIGINAL: SuluSea
For scenario 2 AARs where  you'll see Marines in Burma, the DEI, Indians, British, ANZAC in Japan , if the Allied comander isn't going to play with historical restraint any attack should be fair game.

This made me smile. Japan is more powerful in Scenario Two, will (usually) go further and do wildly improbable things [which is fun!] but that Allies are in the wrong for committing AnZac troops to Japan? [:)]

Hi Canoe, it's just one persons opinion. I wouldn't call it wrong at all. I view it as once the tide turned and Japan's defeat was evident the US wasn't going to let it's Allies get a piece of post war Japan. Maybe I'm wrong, uninformed I'd be willing to listen to otherwise and I'm open to a change of opinion.

[KenchiSulla]

So you dont think the US would have let their allies help them out in securing the Japanese mainland? Why on earth would they reject help? An attack on the Japanese mainland would have been terribly bloody...

[treespider]

IMO---Any destination in the SRA outside of the historical landings should be limited to a hex 5-6 hexes away from any Allied base...nor should the route to the destination pass within 5-6 hexes of any Allied base.