WEEK 74 - 12 NOVEMBER 1942
The rains have been replaced by snowfall across the front. The muddy conditions of the last several weeks have left the battle lines in a relatively stable position. But German forces with at least 6 panzer divisions are already attacking the Bryansk Front north of the Pripet marshes. This likely signals the start of a German winter offensive.
A number of the wrecked Soviet armies have been replenished with some 400,000 new recruits.
Southwestern Front arrived and Rodion Malinovsky appointed as its commander. Among the armies of this front: 1st, 2nd and 4th Shock, 4th Tank and the 58th. The 1st Shock and 58th each received four newly formed mechanized corps. These were constituted from the 24 motorized brigades formed earlier in the year, and all of which survived the summer campaign unscathed. 2nd and 4th Shock each have two tank corps and will each receive another two mechanized corps. That will bring the combined strength of the front to 12 mechanized and 8 tank corps.
Manpower reserves continue to hover near the half million mark and for the first time in months, the Soviet arms production pool pushes to over 40,000.
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WEEK 75
WEEK 75 - 19 NOVEMBER 1942
The makings of two German winter pushes are under way. In the northeast, several mobile divisions are pushing towards Arzamas and Gorky. Farther west, two Soviet divisions of the Bryansk Front are surrounded. Mobile reserves from the STAVKA are being brought up to contain this drive. There are still several panzer and motorized divisions not seen in battle yet, so these may be preparing to reinforce one of the two current attacks or begin a third action somewhere along the front.
Meanwhile, a new formation is being added to Malinovsky's Southwestern Front.
It is scheduled to receive another artillery division and two guards rocket launcher divisions.
The makings of two German winter pushes are under way. In the northeast, several mobile divisions are pushing towards Arzamas and Gorky. Farther west, two Soviet divisions of the Bryansk Front are surrounded. Mobile reserves from the STAVKA are being brought up to contain this drive. There are still several panzer and motorized divisions not seen in battle yet, so these may be preparing to reinforce one of the two current attacks or begin a third action somewhere along the front.
Meanwhile, a new formation is being added to Malinovsky's Southwestern Front.
It is scheduled to receive another artillery division and two guards rocket launcher divisions.
WEEK 76
WEEK 76 - 26 NOVEMBER 1942
The German Gorky-Arzamas Offensive has expanded to at least 7 panzer and 2 motorized divisions. A pocket is formed in the vicinity of Arzamas but is broken by arriving units. The Southwest Front arrives by rail to further reinforce the area.
58th and 1st Shock Armies deploy their mechanized corps with 4th Tank Army in reserve mode.
Additional rifle divisions are in the process of forming.
The arms pool is approaching 100k, along with 650k in manpower reserves.
The German Gorky-Arzamas Offensive has expanded to at least 7 panzer and 2 motorized divisions. A pocket is formed in the vicinity of Arzamas but is broken by arriving units. The Southwest Front arrives by rail to further reinforce the area.
58th and 1st Shock Armies deploy their mechanized corps with 4th Tank Army in reserve mode.
Additional rifle divisions are in the process of forming.
The arms pool is approaching 100k, along with 650k in manpower reserves.
RE: WEEK 76
Crazy game thats for sure. Very interesting to say the least.
The great things about north is you can evac the hole area at a good time for you and because of supplies and rail heads zero russian operations can happen.
The great things about north is you can evac the hole area at a good time for you and because of supplies and rail heads zero russian operations can happen.
Beta Tester WitW & WitE
WEEK 78
WEEK 78 - 10 DECEMBER 1942
In the face of whiteout blizzard conditions, at least 9 panzer divisions and other motorized divisions in support continue to roll towards Kazan and the Urals. The Southwest Front is making attacks to the north to try and slow them.
Recon shows the Germans repairing the rail lines to stay in supply.
Far to the southwest, the German Gomel Offensive has been checked. They still hold some territory gained in the earlier weeks of the attack.
In the region of Dnepropetrovsk, the Red Army offensive has stalled out due to German fortifications, and reserve panzer and motorized units.
In the face of whiteout blizzard conditions, at least 9 panzer divisions and other motorized divisions in support continue to roll towards Kazan and the Urals. The Southwest Front is making attacks to the north to try and slow them.
Recon shows the Germans repairing the rail lines to stay in supply.
Far to the southwest, the German Gomel Offensive has been checked. They still hold some territory gained in the earlier weeks of the attack.
In the region of Dnepropetrovsk, the Red Army offensive has stalled out due to German fortifications, and reserve panzer and motorized units.
WEEK 79
WEEK 79 - 17 DECEMBER 1942
The German blizzard offensive continues on towards Kazan. Red Army rifle brigades are being conscripted from the eastern regions to aid in the defensive effort.
In the Gomel area, the battles are now going back and forth. No real gain from either side.
Despite 318 arms factories in production, the arms pool is bare with over 750,000 men in the manpower pools.
The German blizzard offensive continues on towards Kazan. Red Army rifle brigades are being conscripted from the eastern regions to aid in the defensive effort.
In the Gomel area, the battles are now going back and forth. No real gain from either side.
Despite 318 arms factories in production, the arms pool is bare with over 750,000 men in the manpower pools.
RE: Week 59 Production Figures
Ok I was right and wrong about HVY.
1. The German player can never destory enough hvy like arm to slow HVY production of supplies. Just not possible
BUT
2. Enough hvy can be destoried that not enough supplies are prodused to supply a large army in 42 and 43 during hvy fighting.
Now as far as this game goes manpower being the centeral issue.
farfarer very poor southern offensive during 1941 hurt him allot. Sure he took Moscow, but he left 300ish+ manpower pts in the south which he could have over run a 2nd time in 42. Why your army blow up so fast.
Land wise your in great shape and really not far from Germany in south.
Your in the drivers set, its your game to lose.
Good game.
1. The German player can never destory enough hvy like arm to slow HVY production of supplies. Just not possible
BUT
2. Enough hvy can be destoried that not enough supplies are prodused to supply a large army in 42 and 43 during hvy fighting.
Now as far as this game goes manpower being the centeral issue.
farfarer very poor southern offensive during 1941 hurt him allot. Sure he took Moscow, but he left 300ish+ manpower pts in the south which he could have over run a 2nd time in 42. Why your army blow up so fast.
Land wise your in great shape and really not far from Germany in south.
Your in the drivers set, its your game to lose.
Good game.
Beta Tester WitW & WitE
Game Over
I lost Kazan and Kirov in blizzard. Based on the degree of frustration I have with the game in its current form, I'm dropping out of this one and WiTE PBEM as a whole. Credit farfarer with the win. With Helio coming back I guess that makes things even.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for watching.
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TulliusDetritus
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RE: Game Over
You give up? [:)]
This German offensive was rather crazy! [:D] Anyway he's advanced basically in nowhere land (up north). In the center and south you are dangerously close to the Reich border! If he wants to stay up north, that would be a really loooong front that you can pierce in the center and south.
On my game Berlin is much farther away [:(] I would be more optimist in your situation.
This German offensive was rather crazy! [:D] Anyway he's advanced basically in nowhere land (up north). In the center and south you are dangerously close to the Reich border! If he wants to stay up north, that would be a really loooong front that you can pierce in the center and south.
On my game Berlin is much farther away [:(] I would be more optimist in your situation.
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RE: Game Over
I suggested M60's position was better than he thought, with my shenanigans now costing too much.
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RE: Game Over
ORIGINAL: Farfarer
Game is back ON.
Which for you means EINTRITT VERBOTEN [:'(]
Weeks 82-86
Farfarer mentioned that the game was back on, but I haven't recovered from the great German Blizzard Offensive of 1942-43.
The heavily populated cities of Kazan and Kivov were lost as mentioned. Including what was lost at Gorky and other cities in the immediate area, a lot of production disappeared including all light tanks and armored cars. Since the start of 1943 through mid April there were no arms accumulating in the production pool while manpower reserves sat in excess of 1 million.
The loss of Kirov also cut the rail link to the Leningrad Front and subsequently rifle divisions began surrendering to attacking Axis forces due to excess distance from the railhead.
The first week of February saw Soviet fortunes fall even further as 9 guards rifle corps that attempted to advance westwards into open terrain were surrounded in the Dnepropetrovsk bridgehead. 270,000 were lost in that action. While this was happening, the Germans had now withdrawn from Kazan, while holding Kirov to keep the Leningrad Front in crisis. Units from that front eventually began a hasty retreat eastwards in order to avoid combat.
Kirov
Kazan
Dnepropetrovsk
The heavily populated cities of Kazan and Kivov were lost as mentioned. Including what was lost at Gorky and other cities in the immediate area, a lot of production disappeared including all light tanks and armored cars. Since the start of 1943 through mid April there were no arms accumulating in the production pool while manpower reserves sat in excess of 1 million.
The loss of Kirov also cut the rail link to the Leningrad Front and subsequently rifle divisions began surrendering to attacking Axis forces due to excess distance from the railhead.
The first week of February saw Soviet fortunes fall even further as 9 guards rifle corps that attempted to advance westwards into open terrain were surrounded in the Dnepropetrovsk bridgehead. 270,000 were lost in that action. While this was happening, the Germans had now withdrawn from Kazan, while holding Kirov to keep the Leningrad Front in crisis. Units from that front eventually began a hasty retreat eastwards in order to avoid combat.
Kirov
Kazan
Dnepropetrovsk
Weeks 87-90
Week 87-90 2/11/43 to 3/4/43
Farfarer was content with the amount of damage done and conducted a smooth evacuation by rail in the area of Kazan. Soviet 53rd Army under Marshal Semyon Budyonny garrisoned the city of Kazan and the immediate area in the event of a return engagement. On the north bank of the Volga east of Gorky, Vladimir Vostrukhov's 22nd Army moved west in the face of little opposition. 49th Army under Filipp Gorelenko to the south of the 22nd similarly moved west and straddled both banks of the Volga and was tied into the northern flank of Malinovsky's Southwestern Front.
Rodion Malinovsky used his mechanized and tank forces to punish what German infantry divisions could be found in relatively open and unfortified terrain. In the first week of march, Southwestern Front boasted two general officer promotions with Pavel Batov of 58th Army (Mechanized) being promoted to General-Polkovnik. 1st Shock Army Commander Semyon Krivoshein was promoted to General-Leytenant. 2nd Shock Army commander Ivan Chernyakhovsky of Southwestern Front had received a similar promotion in mid-January. And it was Chernyakhovsky's 3rd Guards Mechanized Corps that reached the southern bank of the Oka only 20 miles from Gorky in the first week of March.
In addition to the forces of the Southwestern Front, 5th Shock Army under Fyodor Tolbukhin was organized and sent into the area of operations with four cavalry corps. Tolbukhin had barely escaped with his life when his army with the Volkhov Front around Moscow was surrounded. He was later transferred to 5th Shock as it was activated by the STAVKA.
Farfarer was content with the amount of damage done and conducted a smooth evacuation by rail in the area of Kazan. Soviet 53rd Army under Marshal Semyon Budyonny garrisoned the city of Kazan and the immediate area in the event of a return engagement. On the north bank of the Volga east of Gorky, Vladimir Vostrukhov's 22nd Army moved west in the face of little opposition. 49th Army under Filipp Gorelenko to the south of the 22nd similarly moved west and straddled both banks of the Volga and was tied into the northern flank of Malinovsky's Southwestern Front.
Rodion Malinovsky used his mechanized and tank forces to punish what German infantry divisions could be found in relatively open and unfortified terrain. In the first week of march, Southwestern Front boasted two general officer promotions with Pavel Batov of 58th Army (Mechanized) being promoted to General-Polkovnik. 1st Shock Army Commander Semyon Krivoshein was promoted to General-Leytenant. 2nd Shock Army commander Ivan Chernyakhovsky of Southwestern Front had received a similar promotion in mid-January. And it was Chernyakhovsky's 3rd Guards Mechanized Corps that reached the southern bank of the Oka only 20 miles from Gorky in the first week of March.
In addition to the forces of the Southwestern Front, 5th Shock Army under Fyodor Tolbukhin was organized and sent into the area of operations with four cavalry corps. Tolbukhin had barely escaped with his life when his army with the Volkhov Front around Moscow was surrounded. He was later transferred to 5th Shock as it was activated by the STAVKA.
RE: Week 87-90
Keep up the good fight M60.
I am hoping you can get the upper hand here quickly(June) and start putting GHC on the defensive.
I beleive from my past exp that you should be attacking all along the front lines. Do not pick a spot and start a bubble as this could be easy picking for GHC.
These general attacks will cause losses over time that the GHC manpower can not make up for+morale losses. I have tracked this before on other AAR's. I beleive you only have to win 50-60%% of the time. Hoooper is or was the master at the book keeping side of this. Even the battles you lose will add up quickly.
This grinding will weaken the GHC over time 6 months. Grinding not making bubbles is what needs to be done starting in late 42-late 43 depending on the game.
The HUGE plus in this game is your very close to the minor allies borders in south. If your lines in the south/center were 300-400 miles east I would say you have zero chance to win, but with lines so close to the 41 border you have a very good chance at a draw.
A minor win is very doable also depending on GHC minor errors and some good game play on your part.
I am hoping you can get the upper hand here quickly(June) and start putting GHC on the defensive.
I beleive from my past exp that you should be attacking all along the front lines. Do not pick a spot and start a bubble as this could be easy picking for GHC.
These general attacks will cause losses over time that the GHC manpower can not make up for+morale losses. I have tracked this before on other AAR's. I beleive you only have to win 50-60%% of the time. Hoooper is or was the master at the book keeping side of this. Even the battles you lose will add up quickly.
This grinding will weaken the GHC over time 6 months. Grinding not making bubbles is what needs to be done starting in late 42-late 43 depending on the game.
The HUGE plus in this game is your very close to the minor allies borders in south. If your lines in the south/center were 300-400 miles east I would say you have zero chance to win, but with lines so close to the 41 border you have a very good chance at a draw.
A minor win is very doable also depending on GHC minor errors and some good game play on your part.
Beta Tester WitW & WitE
RE: Week 87-90
The D/Z Town probablem I beleive can be over come with some of Flaviusx great advice on reserve armys.
I personally dont know the in and outs, but I would PM him and ask for some ideas on keeping flanks 100% air tight, this really should be easy here in the bend of rivers. You only need to get 2 to 1 in cv.
There are some great Red minds and exp that I dont think get pumped enough for info.
Its a minor set back as long as learn from your mistakes
I personally dont know the in and outs, but I would PM him and ask for some ideas on keeping flanks 100% air tight, this really should be easy here in the bend of rivers. You only need to get 2 to 1 in cv.
There are some great Red minds and exp that I dont think get pumped enough for info.
Its a minor set back as long as learn from your mistakes
Beta Tester WitW & WitE
Week 91-95
Week 91-95 3/11/43 to 4/8/43
Southwestern Front continue to apply pressure in the area to the south of Gorky. Only a few German divisions remain east of the Oka.
Far to the west at Smolensk, the German 208th Infantry Division is threatened with encirclement. Soviet positions extend 20-30 miles north of the Dnepr.
Not far to the southwest of Smolensk, Mogilev on the west bank of the Dnepr was liberated. The Bryansk Front reported the liberation of Gomel.
Southwestern Front continue to apply pressure in the area to the south of Gorky. Only a few German divisions remain east of the Oka.
Far to the west at Smolensk, the German 208th Infantry Division is threatened with encirclement. Soviet positions extend 20-30 miles north of the Dnepr.
Not far to the southwest of Smolensk, Mogilev on the west bank of the Dnepr was liberated. The Bryansk Front reported the liberation of Gomel.