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RE: Week 114

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when i see the outcome of this amazing battle and the disaster for the wehrmacht i am realy happy that as the axis player i stopped all offensive actions from late 42 and went into full defensive modus against gids with 2.6m vs. 9.6m loses so far.

the german player should realy know when enough is enough and it's time to defend what you have.

now you have him in more or less unprepared positions and the winter offensive should be very intresting to read.

I think GHC(Farfarer) could have stayed on the offensive in 1943.

If you read back GHC got a nice pocket around D-Town in March(turn 90) and M60 was way down in the dumps.

GHC had the upper hand on a limited basis, but bit off way more then it was capable of swallowing.

After March the threat of a German Offensive was all that was needed to keep M60 from being overly agressive.

But once the fight was jioned M60 now clearly has the upper hand.

76mm the reason M60 has more manpower is because he held the Donets region, which has more manpower points then Moscow.

Which is why I was confident that M60 had the upper hand while most were doubting. The game mainly is about manpower centers now. Flaviusx evac plan is the best. Its flexable enough so you can evac 5-10 or more HI points and you still have more then enough armament pts for later in war.

The game for SHC is about 1943. If you can't start moving the lines west in 1943 you will not get it done in 1944.

M60 has done an amazing good job. He set up his defences and kept a strong reserve so he could counter GHC.

Very very few poeple have any exp after September 1942. Exp can be winning or losing exp as long as you learn from it.

GHC offensive in the north during 1942 did not flip that many manpower centers. The GHC should have cleared Moscow area then headed down and cleared Donets. This would have bagged way more manpower centers and pushed the front to the east of D-town by 30-40 hexes-game set match.

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Week 116

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WEEK 116 - 9/2/43

The Red Army is over the Berezina in strength and 40 miles from Minsk.

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In the south, the panzers run loose but do not appear to be threatening an attack in force. 8th Panzer reaches the outskirts of Stalino but does not attempt an attack on the city garrison. Farfarer seems satisfied with tearing up rail and isolating the city by simply running around it. Our mobile reserves in the area maintain a discreet distance from them in order to be able to react to any eventuality.

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Week 117

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WEEK 117 - 9/9/43

Following a meeting with Stalin and senior Red Army commanders in the Soviet capital of Kharkov, Konstantin Rokossovsky is sent to take command of Western Front. He essentially swaps places with Mikhail Kovalev who takes Rokossovsky's former role with the Kalinin Front. (That cost 51 AP. Ouch.)

Western and Central Front attacks push increasing forces over the Berezina-Ulla.

In the south, the SS has appeared but most enemy units appear to be pulling back. A careful advance by our screening units reclaim lost ground.
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At Smolensk and Gomel, the railyards are busy unloading units which then move west along specific routes designated to maximize concealment from the eyes of the Luftwaffe.
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RE: Week 117

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oh my...look at all this ant infantry divisions. did you fly recon missions deep into the enemy terrotiry to find out if he has any kind of fort line prepared?

if he has not a level 4 fort belt behind the front you may be in poland in winter.

congratulation for this great victorious battle which looked like a lost battle for a long time.[&o]
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RE: Week 117

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Just send most of your mobile stuff south and end this silliness. Cut off his raiders and if he wants to keep sending more stuff into the bag, so much the better. If he wants to keep raising the ante, you have the forces to trump him at this point, and he's just begging to get himself trapped against the Sea of Azov. This recklessness just makes me shake my head.

The rifle corps and artillery can grind forward elsewhere.
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RE: Week 117

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ORIGINAL: bigbaba

oh my...look at all this ant infantry divisions. did you fly recon missions deep into the enemy terrotiry to find out if he has any kind of fort line prepared?

if he has not a level 4 fort belt behind the front you may be in poland in winter.

congratulation for this great victorious battle which looked like a lost battle for a long time.[&o]

Thanks. Air recon shows fortified lines along the various southern rivers by Kirovograd and Krivoi Rog. They are not terribly deep from what can be seen.
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RE: Week 117

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Farfarer seems to have fatally misjudged the strategic situation since the failure of the Upper Dnepr pocket.That should have been a clear warning that the time for major Axis offensives is over.It's time to go over to the strategic defensive.
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RE: Week 117

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I cannot second guess Farfarer, but I think he is just having a Hell of a good time trying new strategies.
At this point he might just be playing it to the extreme and see what happens. His 'Kursk style' gamble did not work out, but it was good to think against the grain and if M60A3TTS had panicked and abandoned the pockets, the front might look a lot different now. Personally I am learning lots from this game, which went past the usual 30 odd turns. Kudos to both players!
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RE: Week 117

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I cannot second guess Farfarer, but I think he is just having a Hell of a good time trying new strategies.
At this point he might just be playing it to the extreme and see what happens. His 'Kursk style' gamble did not work out, but it was good to think against the grain and if M60A3TTS had panicked and abandoned the pockets, the front might look a lot different now. Personally I am learning lots from this game, which went past the usual 30 odd turns. Kudos to both players!

Yes, his comment from a couple weeks ago:

The safe thing would be to go defensive in 1943, but that is the way every game goes, and is no fun. Happy for people to comment in your AAR "His big mistake was to attack in 1943." Yeah me and the IRL OKH :)
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RE: Week 117

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I don't recall the real life OKH doubling down after Kursk and going into full Ride of the Valkyries mode...
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RE: Week 117

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I don't recall the real life OKH doubling down after Kursk and going into full Ride of the Valkyries mode...

I wonder if farfarer has also installed music blaring speakers on his panzers for these end runs...
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Leading into Week 118

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Meetings were held in Kharkov by STAVKA and senior military leaders over the summer to determine where the Red Army could deliver a strategic blow to the Wehrmacht. As a goal for such an offensive, Stalin called for a direct effort aimed at the liberation of Moscow at the earliest opportunity. Marshal Zhukov was strongly opposed to such a plan, arguing that it would take the Red Army further away from its ultimate objective, Berlin. Then commander of the Kalinin Front, General-Lt. Rokossovsky proposed a compromise, an offensive that would send the Red Army westwards and force the Germans to abandon Moscow or risk the destruction of Army Group North. The timing of the offensive would be in the final weeks of summer when the fascists would least be expecting a major offensive.

After extensive discussions, Rokossovsky’s plan was approved by Stalin.

Operation Bagration would commence on September 16.
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Operation Bagration

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Here is the general situation. The German forces and their allies have twice attempted encircling moves this summer that have resulted in a significant weakening of their front line forces. Extensive fortified belts exist along rivers in the areas west of Kiev and extend to the Black Sea. German tank divisions are also refitting in the immediate area of Kiev. This indicates to us that the enemy expects the area south of Kiev to be the point through which the Red Army will make its main thrust come winter.

To the north, the swamp and wooded terrain in the Vitebsk-Minsk region is less useful to mechanized and tank formations and therefore has been fortified only along a narrow front behind the Berezina and Ulla Rivers. Over the past weeks, many of these fortifications have been overcome by elements of the Central and Western Fronts. Enemy units in this area are worn down by recent fighting.

We believe that the enemy is expecting the front lines to stabilize now with the summer campaign weather coming to a close in only a few short weeks. They would also expect the Red Army to take the rainy period as an opportunity to reinforce units in preparation for a winter campaign in the south. This provides a unique opportunity, as they now underestimate our ability to launch a short offensive campaign.

Operation Bagration will commence 16 September and involve the following commands: Central, Western, Southwestern and Steppe Fronts; in all a force of over 2.5 million men. This will be an offensive lasting four weeks.

The strategic objective of Bagration is the coast on the Gulf of Riga. If completely successful, it will break the German Army in half. Even if it is close to being successful, it will pose such a grave threat to the Germans that they will feel compelled to withdraw from much of the territory they occupy in the northwest.

The number of troops available on each front is as follows:

Central Front

741,654 men
12,803 guns
365 AFVs
1,495 aircraft

Western Front

625,598 men
10,470 guns
189 AFVs
2,064 aircraft

Southwestern Front

579,503 men
9,498 guns
3,301 AFVs
1,827 aircraft

Steppe Front

444,494 men
5,679 guns
2,877 AFVs
1,260 aircraft

6th Guards Army Kalinin Front

138,042 men
2,521 guns
47 AFVs

Total

2.5 million men
40,971 guns
6,779 AFVs
6,646 aircraft

In the execution of this plan, Western Front will advance in the western direction using the Daugava as the northern flank. Central Front will advance to capture Minsk and be on the left wing of Western Front. Steppe and Southwestern Fronts will exploit any gap found in the enemy defense to break into the clear terrain and race westwards. Currently these breakthrough fronts are recovering troops from previous operations near Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk so they will need 1-2 weeks to reach full strength.

Kalinin and Bryansk Fronts will be prepared to support Bagration with additional attacks. Long Range Air Command will assist in air resupply of breakthrough formations. STAVKA’s 10th Airborne Brigade will be available for airdrop as needed. NKPS units will be made available to repair damaged rail lines to support the advance. STAVKA will remain located at Mogilev during the operation.

During Bagration, ancillary operations will be undertaken by Leningrad and Northwestern Fronts. They will re-take ground given up by the fascists with all possible speed. 8th, 27th and 46th Armies of the Northwestern Front along with Kalinin Front will not be committed on this task, but will instead prepare to shift lines laterally in the western direction in order to facilitate the securing of the flanks as the main forces are committed. Voronezh Front will remain in place. Southern and North Caucasus Fronts will re-form defensive lines and prepare to support winter offensive operations. All southern mobile formations to include 3rd Shock, 57th and 65th Armies will support opportunities for limited attacks against Axis lines in the Kirovograd-Krivoi Rog sector while Bagration is underway in order to force the enemy to continuously fight on a broad front.

The operation starts something like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0FbGuImTCE
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Week 118 Operation Bagration

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WEEK 118 - 9/16/43

Farfarer clearly detected the buildup of our units in the area and rushed panzer reserves into the area around Minsk. Attacks in the first week saw mechanized and tank forces of Steppe and Southwestern Fronts pass through Western Front and reach the Disna River. This severed the rail connection at Polotsk, one of five which provide supply to Army Group North. German infantry units in the area that felt the brunt of the attacks are in disarray. Progress in the Central Front area was not as successful as hoped. The activation of panzer reserves at Minsk resulted in our units reaching the outskirts of the city but unable to take it by direct assault or isolating it.

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In the south, the Germans are giving up their territory gained in the last few weeks in order to free up mobile reserves.

German ready forces fall slightly below the 3 million mark.

Re-designated units this week included 12th Army of Central Front now 5th Guards Army and 33rd Army of Kalinin Front now 6th Guards Army.
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RE: Week 118 Operation Bagration

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amazing. such a ambitious plan and all that shortly after the heavy fighting around kiev!

your ooperartion has some kind of realistic backgeround. like the real red army you first hammerd the germans around kiev and then attack where is is not expecting a attack: against the AGC.

his front around druya looks realy weak. and you have a lot of mech., armor and cavalery troops there.
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RE: Week 118 Operation Bagration

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Great job M60.
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Week 119

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WEEK 119 - 9/23/43

This week the fascists abandoned the cities of Yaroslavl, Ivanovo, and Vladimir. Our citizens wept with joy as the Red Army triumphantly marched in. Our enemy has withdrawn to form new defensive lines in the area between Moscow and Rybinsk.

Marshal Zhukov reported flanking strong enemy positions by advancing north of the Daugava with the combined forces of 1st Shock and 1st Guards Tank Armies. Enemy rail lines in the area were cut.

Airborne forces have assisted 5th Shock Army in the isolation of five enemy divisions.

In the south our armies having rested and refitted, have resumed attacks in the vicinity of Krivoi Rog.

2nd Tank Army was re-designated as 2nd Guards Tank Army.


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RE: Week 119

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OOB
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Enemy withdrawals
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Advances in the western direction
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Southern area
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RE: Week 119

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it must be real fun for you now to regain all that lost territory without a fight. espacialy the good defensive terrain NE of moscow can be a pain in the ... when you have to fight for it. and now you are 130 km away from cutting off the entire german AGN and parts of AGC!

and if the screenshot is taken after recon flights there is NOTHING! between your panzer spearheads and riga!

dawai dawai!
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RE: Week 119

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Just note that both beachhead supply plus the fact that Helsinki is a permanent supply source. Has an effect on the supply part of the cut off effect.

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