This new stand alone release based on the legendary War in the Pacific from 2 by 3 Games adds significant improvements and changes to enhance game play, improve realism, and increase historical accuracy. With dozens of new features, new art, and engine improvements, War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition brings you the most realistic and immersive WWII Pacific Theater wargame ever!
It would be nice to think that had Yamamoto survived into 1945 he could have been well enough respected and influential to have convinced the Emperor and the High Command of the folly of continuing the war, had he wished.
I wonder if Yamamoto would have survived to the end of the war in any case. Militant agitators within the Japanese military and government killed off several ranking officers of 'suspect' loyalty near the end. Had Yamamoto spoken out and tried to convince the Emperor and High Command to accept surrender terms, I propose that he would have been assasinated in short order.
The only interesting difference I can see is that given the way Yamamoto liked to put to sea in BB's, he might have been commanding the "center force" during Leyte Gulf rather than Kurita. Then we might have found out just how much of a fighter he really was.
The only interesting difference I can see is that given the way Yamamoto liked to put to sea in BB's, he might have been commanding the "center force" during Leyte Gulf rather than Kurita. Then we might have found out just how much of a fighter he really was.
I re-read a bit on Wiki about the pre-battle action, and how Kurita had to swim for it when his CA was torpedoed out from under him. And how he immediately got on Yamato.
Why wasn't he on Yamato to begin with? Some kind of humble vanity? [8|] I find it hard to believe that Atago (or was it Takao?) had better command facilities than Yamato, which was only 3 years old.
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My understanding is that the troops were all ashore already and only some supplies were still being unloaded.
Correct. Even if Kurita had managed to reach the transports, they would have all been mostly empty.
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I re-read a bit on Wiki about the pre-battle action, and how Kurita had to swim for it when his CA was torpedoed out from under him. And how he immediately got on Yamato.
Why wasn't he on Yamato to begin with? Some kind of humble vanity? [8|] I find it hard to believe that Atago (or was it Takao?) had better command facilities than Yamato, which was only 3 years old.
Kurita was on a cruiser because of IJN doctrine as it related to torpedo attacks and how cruisers were supposed to be the tip of the spear for such actions.
In all reality, the outcome would not have changed after Midway. But then it poses the question, just how different would the war had gone, if Yamamoto's commanders at Pearl Harbor, had launched a Third Strike against Pearl to get the dry docks and Oil tanks. Further raises the question of if we had not followed the destroyer as it ran back to the Japanese Fleet at Midway..Once Midway was over, I believe the handwriting was on the wall for Japan, so if Yamamoto had survived, I do not believe that it would have changed much. Yamamoto was a product of the pre-war indoctrination and as such struck me as unable or unwilling to learn new tricks and adapt to the ever changing situation. On the political side, the in fighting between the Navy and Army would not have abated, and if the Army felt he was more of a threat to the command culture, then I agree they would have done him in.
But that is what makes this game so great, knowing what we know now about him and his plans, we can fight it out just to see if anything would have changed. But that would mean, both sides would have to stick to what they knew then, and not play with hindsight. That would be an interesting project if it could be done.
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If Yamamoto hadn't been killed and instead stayed the rest of the war as Japanese CinC, would there have been much difference? Would he have perhaps been able to delay some of the Japanese defeats?
Japan would have lost the war in an ugly fashion ........
Kurita was on a cruiser because of IJN doctrine as it related to torpedo attacks and how cruisers were supposed to be the tip of the spear for such actions.
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I wonder if he would have ended up tried and hung after the war if he made it that far.
Given the pseudo-love affair that US culture seems to have with him, I'm not sure. Almost certainly he'd have been tried for something, but somehow I don't think he'd have been given a death sentence.
He died in April 1943. I would say that the war was already lost by that time. I doubt his presence would have had very little impact on the remainder of the war. Unless he could have convinced the Americans to build more BBs in lieu of Essex class carriers.....
I wonder if he would have ended up tried and hung after the war if he made it that far.
Given the pseudo-love affair that US culture seems to have with him, I'm not sure. Almost certainly he'd have been tried for something, but somehow I don't think he'd have been given a death sentence.
That "love affair" began long after the war. Had Yamamoto been captured at war's end, he most certainly would have been put on trial for engineering PH. And given the "Kangaroo Court" and execution we engineered for Yamashita, it's kind of difficult to see any end for Yamamoto but a date with the rope.
