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RE: Allied landing on Tinian!

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8th-10th June -44

Marianas
The usual mix of good and bad. This turn almost all good! Lets start with the bad news...
Sub attack near Tinian at 108,95

Japanese Ships
SS I-173

Allied Ships
CV Yggdrasil, Torpedo hits 2 [:@]
CLAA Reno
CLAA San Juan
CLAA Juneau
DD Lang
DD Kalk
DD Cassin
DD Tucker
DD Fanning
DD Stack


This is just tiresome. I don´t think I need to tell how much ASW is in that hex. In addition I have almost 50 Avengers flying ASW. [:(]

On to the good news. As I expected after drawing in my strikes on his PB/xAKLs on the 8th Erik now flew in his strike planes. A lot of his escorts and some of the strike planes were wiped out by the naval bombardment of Tinian during the night though! This turned out to be a blessing later in the day!
Night Naval bombardment of Tinian at 108,94

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 15 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed on ground
A6M5 Zero: 69 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed on ground
B6N2a Jill: 16 damaged
B6N2a Jill: 3 destroyed on ground
N1K2-J George: 58 damaged
N1K2-J George: 7 destroyed on ground


Allied Ships
BB Queen Elizabeth
BB Valiant
BB Mississippi
BB Idaho
BC Renown


Night Naval bombardment of Tinian at 108,94

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 12 damaged
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 21 damaged
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed on ground
B6N2a Jill: 6 damaged
B6N2a Jill: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied Ships
BB California
BB Arizona
BB Nevada
BB Maryland


Japanese ground losses:
396 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 13 (7 destroyed, 6 disabled)

There were some night strikes that failed to hit anything. Later in the day a big strike attacked the invasion fleet at Tinian. Notice the lack of escorts for this one.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Tinian at 108,94

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 28
D4Y2 Judy x 24
D4Y3 Judy x 14
J2M3 Jack x 28
N1K1-J George x 10
Ki-84a Frank x 12




Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 29
Hellcat I x 24
F6F-3 Hellcat x 221



Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 9 destroyed
D4Y2 Judy: 9 destroyed
D4Y3 Judy: 9 destroyed
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
J2M3 Jack: 8 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 13 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Copahee
CVE Corregidor
CVE White Plains


Then a second strike went in.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Tinian at 108,94

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 115 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 6
P1Y1 Frances x 9
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 13
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 24
Ki-84a Frank x 10




Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 22
Hellcat I x 20
F6F-3 Hellcat x 140



Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed
P1Y1 Frances: 4 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 7 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Hellcat I: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 6 destroyed

The second strike didn´t penetrate the CAP at all. Knowing the KB wasn´t around I switched some of the Squadrons on escort to Sweep Guam and Saipan. Two of them did very well and two didn´t do well at all. All in all during the day 250 Japanese planes are lost for only 100 Allied. Have to be happy with that! [&o]

One the 9th the CVs withdrew to cover the amphibs withdrawing back to Wake. This day wasn´t as happy as Erik set up another CAP trap at Saipan using a few AMc. I had four strikes going in after the AMc into a massive CAP. This is one of them.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Saipan at 108,93

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 75
A6M5b Zero x 33
J2M3 Jack x 34
N1K1 Rex x 6
N1K1-J George x 3
N1K2-J George x 5
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 21
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 37
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 19
Ki-84a Frank x 57




Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 158
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 33
TBM-1C Avenger x 14



Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 10 destroyed
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 8 destroyed, 6 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 6 destroyed


Japanese Ships
AMc Chokai Maru, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
ACM Daido Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AMc Kensyo Maru

This was a bit too much to stomach. He basically massed all available CAP in the Marianas at Saipan and created a small TF of AMc. I know this because the TF wasn´t there yesterday. Looks very intentional to me. [:(] I told Erik in an email this morning that from now on I expect to see proper combat ships (DDs and upwards) in his CAP traps. His CAP traps has cost me almost 400 planes over 3 days for the price of 2 PBs, 2xAKLs and 2AMc. Stuff like this can easily ruin the game. So I hope he complies.

The only positive things about the losses is that I can support them. Navy pilots and aircraft pools are overflowing. This will take a good chunk out of the Hellcat pool though. But next month I get the second generation of Hellcats (20 knots faster) and a bump from 130 to 180 per month.

First attack on Tinian is ordered tomorrow. I have high hopes for this. I already have the BFs standing by on TFs outside the Marianas. If the attack looks promising they will hang around. If it looks like it will take time I will withdraw the fleet to Wake and replenish the CVs.

Burma
Troops keep on moving. Even though troop number indicate 140.000 troops in the hex only 5 divisions are identified (so far) and the rest looks like Brigades and smaller units. That is hopeful as the smaller units seem to deteriorate quickly when facing divisions. Only 1500 Guns and 1500 AFVs are listed by recon! I on the other hand have 3000 Guns and 4000 AFVs. Many of my AFVs are heavy tanks. 4 more days before arriving. Tense, tense...

OZ
Continuing to Sweep and bomb AFs. Erik is holding back and has actually split the KB. 1/3rd is covering Biak and 2/3rds are covering the DEI.

Biak
Erik sent in a bombardment during the night. As usual mines have no effect.
Night Naval bombardment of Biak at 87,110 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 18 damaged
F6F-3 Hellcat: 3 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 5 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground


11 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga
BB Mutsu
DD Kisaragi
DD Mutsuki
DD Matsu
DD Makinami



Allied ground losses:
249 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 5 (3 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 9 (6 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Bit disappointed the CD guns didn´t do much. In a few days though I will strike back. Erik is being a bit cocky with his his mini KB lingering just 3 hexes from Biak. If he hangs around he could loose some carriers tomorrow as I moved in 120 DBs and set every Fighter on Escort.

NOPAC
Erik decided to send some strike planes up here. Much rather here then at the Marianas! [:)] He sends some strikes in over two days lightly damaging two CVEs. They are still able to conduct flight OPS but will have to go to Seattle to get patched up after this. I have 6 new CVEs already on the way from Portland to replace them.

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RE: Allied landing on Tinian!

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I have to agree with you that is gamey.  I know desperate times calls for desperate measures, but that is pushing it.  But I don't think that Erik is a bad player may just have made some knee jerk reactions.  Talk to him about it.  Your doing good right now, keep it up. 
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RE: Allied landing on Tinian!

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Yeah, I spoke to Erik about it. He is claiming the AMc were there for a whole nother reason and not to draw strikes. I´m not going to argue with him. I think this was just something borne out of frustration. I just told him to try and avoid stuff like this because nothing good can come from it.
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RE: Allied landing on Tinian!

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I'm not sure what the AMc could be doing, unless he's worried about you dropping mines at the ports you're not landing at. The ACM has a more likely chance of being there on legitimate business. It is unusual that the TF was just created though.

Congrats on now being ahead of the historical timeline!
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Thanks! [:)]
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RE: Allied landing on Tinian!

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I'm not sure what the AMc could be doing, unless he's worried about you dropping mines at the ports you're not landing at. The ACM has a more likely chance of being there on legitimate business. It is unusual that the TF was just created though.

Congrats on now being ahead of the historical timeline!
The Allies landed on Tinian. Saipan is the closest base to send AMcs to clear mines at Tinian for any future bombardment TF. Also, AMcs can be made from converting some xAKLs, but this takes at least two weeks. AFAIK, they cannot be created instantly like PTs or barges. The AMcs were probably there, disbanded in port or perhaps at Pagan or Guam. Putting them in a TF and then flying in masses of fighters was pretty gamey, though. [:-]
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RE: Allied landing on Tinian!

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11th-12th June -44

Considering the recent days these two were kind of quiet with only about 100 losses per day.

Marianas
My CVs cover the withdrawal of the transport fleet. The high losses (around 5-600 planes) means I feel kind of exposed. I don´t have enough to try and close his AFs and maintain a credible CAP up. So I´m stuck on the defensive for now. Disruption is down enough for another attack on the 13th. This attack will decide if I will withdraw back to Wake for now or escort the TFs carrying the BFs into Tinian.

I also lost track of all parts of the KB. Erik might try to seek battle now knowing I´m severely weakened. I will not seek battle in my current condition. About 50% of my strike capacity was wiped out going after his AMc TFs. [:(]

DEI
I´ve stripped some of the P38 squadrons of the good pilots and filled them out with green ones. I will use them together with the Hellcats to wear him down. I still have 2 Elite squadrons of Corsairs here. Lost track of KB. Don´t like that...

Burma
Bombing continues of hex 55,51. Recon now indicates over 200.000 men there. Still only 6 divisions identified though. I know from my own experience and from the battle in New Guinea that the smaller units just won´t cut it. Many seem to be of similar sort as was encountered on Tinian. I´m convinced they will crumble quickly. Promblem will be the divisions and the sheer number of troops.
Afternoon Air attack on 2nd Tank Division, at 56,51 , near Toungoo

Japanese ground losses:
393 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled


Also attacking 31st Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking 32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th RTA Division ... <-- These are almost useless
Also attacking 34th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 23rd Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 30th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Tank Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...
Also attacking 2nd Tank Division ...
Also attacking 31st Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 38th Division ...
Also attacking 32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 4th RTA Division ...
Also attacking 34th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 23rd Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 1st Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 30th Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Tank Division ...
Also attacking 9th Division ...
Also attacking 33rd Ind.Mixed Brigade ...
Also attacking 2nd Guards Division ...

These guys are sitting on the rail line so I guess there is little hope of affecting supply unless I drain all of Burma. 2 more days before my stack arrive. Then I will probably have to rest for a few days to get fatigue down a bit.

New Guinea
Shifting troops to take care of my SLOC. Flying in stuff to Biak from now. I have troops waiting on Barges at Sarmi destined for Biak. But I´m waiting a bit to see if I can get the AF at Biak up and running again. In a fit of bad luck Erik sent the Helens in on the same day I decided to forgo CAP for escort..stupid.

NOPAC
Erik goes again for my CVEs here costing him a lot of planes for no hits. Another RGT is landed at Dutch. Withdrawing back to Kodiak.

Strategic Bombing
I´m have concentrated on taking out anything that helps with supply in Burma. All HI/LI in Thailand is now gone. I will now shift to targets in China before going for the Oil in Lanchow/Medan again.



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RE: Allied landing on Tinian!

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What troops do you have prepped for the rest of the Marianas?? Just holding Tinian will not be enough.
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What troops do you have prepped for the rest of the Marianas?? Just holding Tinian will not be enough.

I have troops prepped for Saipan but lack PPs to buy out the last ID. Its sitting at San Fran. Poor planning on my part! [:(]

EDIT: Also the troops from Eniwetok is prepping for Guam together with some scattered units.

When I planned this operation I had no clue it was going to be this lightly defended. So I went heavy for Tinian to make sure I could capture it quickly. In hindsight I could have used one of the US IDs for Saipan instead and gone right back in.

The prepp system makes everything inflexible. And I often find myself prepping too much. But on the other hand prepping too little is an disaster as it can set you back 2-3 months. Its a balance.
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A bit late but in regards to pilot fatigue-having a few 'extra' pilots in each squadron can really help reduce fatigue quite a bit. I always try to keep at least a 20% reserve for front-line units, more if I can. This way the same pilots don't have to fly every mission.
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13th-14th June -44

Things quiet down after the few days frantic activity.

Marianas

On the 13th I launch another successful attack at Tinian.

Ground combat at Tinian (108,94)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 38383 troops, 866 guns, 999 vehicles, Assault Value = 1459

Defending force 16909 troops, 179 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 516

Allied adjusted assault: 420

Japanese adjusted defense: 703

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

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Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2437 casualties reported
Squads: 73 destroyed, 120 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled
Guns lost 48 (16 destroyed, 32 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
593 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 89 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 21 (1 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 88 (7 destroyed, 81 disabled) <-- The LVTs take a beating today while the Shermans are untouched


This won´t take much longer as Eriks troops are in steady decline. Shermans are proving almost impervious to Jap fire. I have yet to have one even disabled in Combat.

I also decided to withdraw the fleet to Wake. I gave away a little too much info to Erik via mail so he might go for it. I´ll replenish at Wake and then escort a large convoy to SOPAC with fresh combat ships. Then we go for the DEI!

Burma
Erik now has a staggering number of troops in the hex. 250.000. Had to shift the bombers to Rangoon today to close the AF. Sent some of the more beaten up troops set to guard the hex back to Prome to heal up as the troops from Central Burma arrived.

DEI
Sweeps and bombers rain in.



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Yeah, I spoke to Erik about it. He is claiming the AMc were there for a whole nother reason and not to draw strikes. I´m not going to argue with him. I think this was just something borne out of frustration. I just told him to try and avoid stuff like this because nothing good can come from it.

I don't get all the negative waves, man. You lost ten fighters. So what?

It's perfectly feasible to have minesweepers at a forward base once air-droped mines are in the Allied inventory. Even before that. Subs carry them.

Stop dinkin' around with airplanes and get ashore! [:'(]
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Yeah, I spoke to Erik about it. He is claiming the AMc were there for a whole nother reason and not to draw strikes. I´m not going to argue with him. I think this was just something borne out of frustration. I just told him to try and avoid stuff like this because nothing good can come from it.

I don't get all the negative waves, man. You lost ten fighters. So what?

It's perfectly feasible to have minesweepers at a forward base once air-droped mines are in the Allied inventory. Even before that. Subs carry them.

Stop dinkin' around with airplanes and get ashore! [:'(]

More like 400 planes but I get your point! [;)]
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Game really slowed down lately. I´m back at work and the horrible 04:30 mornings which is taken a toll. Havn´t gotten a turn from Erik in two days now since he has been busy too. Perhaps we are both a bit exhausted after the frantic pace up to the Marianas invasion.

I´ll try and do a runthrough of all theatres and the plans and timelines for them during the day.
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Marianas timetable

Nothing glorious here. Once Tinian is liberated the troops will start prepping for mainly Guam but also to mop up the northern Atolls and Rota

The timetable is to have cleared the whole of the Marians before the big push into the Philippines in early 45.



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New Guinea
The allied main push continues here. Once Biak is expanded and consolidated we will secure the Sorong area. I hope to have secure all three bases around Sorong around late September. Erik has decided to opposed this thrust something fiercely. I foresee a decisive naval battle here with the Sorong landings. This is where I hope to destroy the KB together with most of the IJN.

Most of the Allied fleet will take part in this operation. 2200 Carrier aircraft, 13 BBs, 18 CAs, 13 modern CLs and over 200 DDs. I will give the IJ their "decisive battle" here. This operation will coincide with the DEI landings. If I´m successful this will make future landings during 45 a lot easier.

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Yeah, I spoke to Erik about it. He is claiming the AMc were there for a whole nother reason and not to draw strikes. I´m not going to argue with him. I think this was just something borne out of frustration. I just told him to try and avoid stuff like this because nothing good can come from it.

I don't get all the negative waves, man. You lost ten fighters. So what?

It's perfectly feasible to have minesweepers at a forward base once air-droped mines are in the Allied inventory. Even before that. Subs carry them.

Stop dinkin' around with airplanes and get ashore! [:'(]

More like 400 planes but I get your point! [;)]

I was posting on the combat report from the 9th. It looks like I overlooked there were four combats and that was only one? Even so, the Japanese CAP in that combat report is very modest for this era and you had 185 Hellcats. And got a 1:5 exchange ratio in an escort mode, not sweeping.

OTOH, you know my opinion of the "gamey" call. [:)]
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I was posting on the combat report from the 9th. It looks like I overlooked there were four combats and that was only one? Even so, the Japanese CAP in that combat report is very modest for this era and you had 185 Hellcats. And got a 1:5 exchange ratio in an escort mode, not sweeping.

OTOH, you know my opinion of the "gamey" call. [:)]

Yes there were several more. And although the one I posted only states 8 losses the actual number of lost were about 10 times higher!

Erik and I sorted it out eventually. Small things tend to escalate as there is so much at stake. Using email to sort stuff like this out isn´t the best way as things that are said in light spirit can sound really harsh when written.

I´m actually a bit envious of the way you play. Everything allowed...no discussions. Most feel pretty liberating! [:)]
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New Guinea
The allied main push continues here. Once Biak is expanded and consolidated we will secure the Sorong area. I hope to have secure all three bases around Sorong around late September. Erik has decided to opposed this thrust something fiercely. I foresee a decisive naval battle here with the Sorong landings. This is where I hope to destroy the KB together with most of the IJN.

Most of the Allied fleet will take part in this operation. 2200 Carrier aircraft, 13 BBs, 18 CAs, 13 modern CLs and over 200 DDs. I will give the IJ their "decisive battle" here. This operation will coincide with the DEI landings. If I´m successful this will make future landings during 45 a lot easier.

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With enemy bases from Ambon to Babo to Hollandia to Peleliu/Babeldaob it will be very hard to surprise him with that massive fleet. I doubt he will challenge if he knows what you are bringing. Are you going to be able to suppress his recon and subs?
Not that it matters - if KB is unwilling to engage it becomes irrelevant to major operations since you will always have your big hammer along. Things will get harder in 1944 when he has Kamikazes to torment you! [:(]
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I´m actually a bit envious of the way you play. Everything allowed...no discussions. Most feel pretty liberating! [:)]

When I eventually get a PBEM going, that will be the HR set I'd be shooting for.
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