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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins!

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[font="Verdana"]27th-268h December -44[/font]
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I manage to do another of those stupid mistake and pay a hefty price for it.

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Strat bombing
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I set the B29-1 to strike Manila hoping to knock down some more LI. But again I messed up the setting and they go in at 6000ft. 25 B29-1 are lost to the AA fire. [:(] Another 3 squadrons out for the remainder of the war.

Stupid! [:@]

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China
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Tomorrow the half strength Indian divisions will shock attack the river at Paoshan. Judging by the bombing there forts are very high. But only a Jap RGT blocking the way and I hope my troops can blast them. Erik has put up another road block between Paoshan and Kunming. This one is a lot bigger. Probably 2 IDs.

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Luzon
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Erik kindly bombarded here yesterday giving us intel on his forces.
Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1935 troops, 144 guns, 137 vehicles, Assault Value = 3376

Defending force 106700 troops, 2001 guns, 4569 vehicles, Assault Value = 3725

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 10 (3 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
102nd Division
58th Infantry Brigade
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
105th Division
43rd Recon Regiment
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
6th Division
4th Tank Division
64th Ind.Mixed Brigade
56th Division
61st Ind.Mixed Brigade
59th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Tank Division
53rd Infantry Brigade
56th Ind.Mixed Brigade
57th Fld AA Bn /1
216th Naval Construction Battalion
157th JAAF AF Bn
217th Naval Const Bn /1
12th JNAF AF Unit
7th Air Division
20th RF Gun Battalion
3rd Rocket Gun Battalion
20th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Air Division
21st Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
28th JNAF AF Unit
33rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
27th Fld AA Machinecannon Company
13th Air Fleet
85th Field AA Battalion
58th JNAF AF Unit /2
14th Area Army
51st Air Flotilla
56th JNAF AF Unit
33rd Special Base Force
60th JNAF AF Unit
30th Special Base Force
26th Fld AA Machinecannon Company
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
78th Field AA Battalion
52nd Const Bn /1
16th Army
88th Field AA Battalion
16th Field AA Machinecannon Company
64th Field AA Battalion
2nd Base Force
77th Field AA Battalion
91st JAAF AF Bn
104th AA Regiment
2nd Air Fleet
1st Base Force
102nd AA Regiment
24th Fld AA Machinecannon Company
20th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
60th Field AA Battalion
21st JAAF Base Force /2


Defending units:
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
1st Marine Division
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
754th Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
37th Infantry Division
25th Infantry Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
775th Tank Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
763rd Tank Battalion
44th Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
716th Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
24th Infantry Division
766th Tank Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
5th USMC Tank Battalion
III US Amphib Corps
XXIV US Corps
147th Field Artillery Regiment
XI US Corps
1st Medium Regiment
Tenth US Army
XI Corps Artillery
694th Field Artillery Battalion
16th NZ AA Bde
15th NZ AA Bde
XIV Corps Artillery
X US Corps
251st Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
205th Field Artillery Battalion
I Corps Artillery
South Pacific
225th Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
I US Corps
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
X Corps Artillery
33rd Medium Regiment

So almost the same raw AV here. I guess we will find out soon is Allied firepower can overcome Japanese raw AV. I´m still very optimistic. I will repay the kindness tomorrow when a full allied bombardment will blast away. Even the divisional artillery will take part. First deliberate attack will launch in 2-3 days.

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Thailand
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We continue to make good way towards the south. Japanese troops are starting to flee before us and we capture a empty Siem Riap.

I´m struggling with supply in central Thailand. This is making base building very problematic. But I hope once the troops have flushed out the bases will start getting some.


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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins!

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[font="Verdana"]Tokyo strike assesment[/font]
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Well, a picture says more than words. I would absolutely say this is worth the loss of 22 B29s. Both the LI and HI really took a big hit despite the low number of fires.



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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins!

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[font="Verdana"]Score[/font]
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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins!

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We continue to make good way towards the south. Japanese troops are starting to flee before us and we capture a empty Siem Riap.

I´m struggling with supply in central Thailand. This is making base building very problematic. But I hope once the troops have flushed out the bases will start getting some.

First thing I would do is turn on the Supply Stockpile option at Udon Thani and they use Transport planes to fly in supplies from someplace like Moulmein. Second, is move out any combat troops and leave just engineers and BFs in base.

Slightly OT, but how is your supply situation in Rangoon?? You have lots and lots of mouths to feed in Thailand and Burma to feed through this one major port. Have you maxed out the port at Moulmein and Tavoy to allow more supplies to be unloaded??

Logistics...Logistics...Logistics [:D]
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First thing I would do is turn on the Supply Stockpile option at Udon Thani and they use Transport planes to fly in supplies from someplace like Moulmein. Second, is move out any combat troops and leave just engineers and BFs in base.

Slightly OT, but how is your supply situation in Rangoon?? You have lots and lots of mouths to feed in Thailand and Burma to feed through this one major port. Have you maxed out the port at Moulmein and Tavoy to allow more supplies to be unloaded??

Logistics...Logistics...Logistics [:D]

Thats a good idea. I´ll try that! [:)]

I have 350k supply at Rangoon but it doesn´t seem to want to flow down into Thailand in big numbers. [&:] No idea how the heck Erik managed to get it flowing in the opposite direction! I´m doing something wrong I think. I´ve tried to increase supply demand gradually to get it going. But so far no luck. I have no demand at Rangoon and then gradually higher and higher towards Authia and then max at Ubon and Udon Thani. That might be the wrong way to do it though?

Tavoy is maxed out but Moulmein refused to hold much supply so building is slow.
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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins!

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[font="Verdana"]Allied Fast CV Fleet[/font]
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Fast TF 1 (TF 238, RADM Fitch, 403 Planes)
Franklin
Viking
Valhalla
Victorious
Illustrious

Independence
Langley

Fast TF2 (TF 256, VADM Towers, 379 Planes)
Essex
Intrepid
Hancock
Indomitable

Belleau Wood
Monterey


Fast TF3 (TF 108, RADM Mullinix, 378 Planes)
Ticonderoga
Midgaard
Yggdrasil

Cowpens
Cabot
Bataan


Fast TF4 (TF 228 CMD Ragsdale , 417 Planes)
Bunker Hill
Bennington
Randolph
Indefatigable

San Jacinto
Princeton


Total strength:
1577 Planes
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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins!

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What's up with all these NON-American names?!?
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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins!

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

What's up with all these NON-American names?!?

I must honor my Viking ancestors! [;)]
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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins!

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[font="Verdana"]29th December -44[/font]
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Not much happening. Mostly allied bombing runs.


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China
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Our crossing was successful. Not without cost though. Forts were high.
Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 47261 troops, 891 guns, 518 vehicles, Assault Value = 1647

Defending force 5716 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 201

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 1689

Japanese adjusted defense: 52

Allied assault odds: 32 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied forces CAPTURE Paoshan !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)
preparation(-), experience(-)

Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2796 casualties reported
Squads: 53 destroyed, 126 disabled
Non Combat: 55 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 18 (12 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Units retreated 1


Allied ground losses:
1366 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 163 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 26 disabled
Guns lost 22 (1 destroyed, 21 disabled)


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
7th Indian Division
25th Indian Division
23rd Indian Division
39th Indian Division
8th New Chinese Corps
117th RAF Base Force
104th RAF Base Force
23rd AA Bde
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
171 Wing
3rd West African AA Regiment
56th Heavy Regiment
2nd West African AA Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
175 Wing
Sikh Construction Battalion
4th West African AA Regiment
1st Bombay Construction Battalion
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment


Defending units:
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade

Next target is Kunming. I´m pretty sure I havn´t brought enough for that though so I´ll probably stall somewhere in the mountains before that. But its another route Erik has to cover.

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Luzon
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Allies fire back at Manila. While not an overwhelming result this eats supply which I have and Erik hopefully hasn´t. [:)]
Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70553 troops, 1632 guns, 2918 vehicles, Assault Value = 3803

Defending force 119190 troops, 1339 guns, 1621 vehicles, Assault Value = 3376

Japanese ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (2 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (4 destroyed, 10 disabled)

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Thailand
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A lot of naval traffic going for Bangkok. Udon Thani and Ubon both went the level 2 AF but supply is still in the red.

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Love the ship renaming!!  Way cool!  That gives me some ideas for my renames.  After all, when asked where Doolittle's raid on Japan came from, FDR replied, From Valhalla.....a nice name for an American CV.
 
Manila is shaping up as a real slug it out battle.  Curious: Want the IJ be able to get supply into Luzon at the northern end?
 
Also, do you have the ability to interdict the sealanes in/out of Bangkok by air?  It would be nice to see those troops reduced by sinking them at sea.  The more you get that way reduces the number that will be readily available at Formosa or the Home Islands.  Subs can do some of the heavy lifting too to reduce your air losses. 
 
 
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Love the ship renaming!!  Way cool!  That gives me some ideas for my renames.  After all, when asked where Doolittle's raid on Japan came from, FDR replied, From Valhalla.....a nice name for an American CV.

You might want to look that one up. [:)]
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Oh well, Moose, it was something to that effect.  At my age memory is a fragile thing:).
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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins!

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Love the ship renaming!!  Way cool!  That gives me some ideas for my renames.  After all, when asked where Doolittle's raid on Japan came from, FDR replied, From Valhalla.....a nice name for an American CV.

Manila is shaping up as a real slug it out battle.  Curious: Want the IJ be able to get supply into Luzon at the northern end?

Also, do you have the ability to interdict the sealanes in/out of Bangkok by air?  It would be nice to see those troops reduced by sinking them at sea.  The more you get that way reduces the number that will be readily available at Formosa or the Home Islands.  Subs can do some of the heavy lifting too to reduce your air losses. 

Maybe Dr Doolittle mentions Valhalla, for those interested in accuracy FDR used "Shangri La" as the base for Doolittle
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ORIGINAL: princep01

Love the ship renaming!!  Way cool!  That gives me some ideas for my renames.  After all, when asked where Doolittle's raid on Japan came from, FDR replied, From Valhalla.....a nice name for an American CV.

Manila is shaping up as a real slug it out battle.  Curious: Want the IJ be able to get supply into Luzon at the northern end?

Also, do you have the ability to interdict the sealanes in/out of Bangkok by air?  It would be nice to see those troops reduced by sinking them at sea.  The more you get that way reduces the number that will be readily available at Formosa or the Home Islands.  Subs can do some of the heavy lifting too to reduce your air losses. 

I´m going to try a knock the front door in at Manila in about a week. If that fails I have a backup plan to isolate it completely! [:)]

Unfortunately I can´t really get to the shipping around Bangkok. Erik has made sure he always have a TF right at Bangkok with its 700 plane CAP so any strikes flying from Tavoy would most likely just fly into the CAP at Bangkok. And even if it didn´t the leval 9 AF gives Erik good opportunities to LRCAP whatever goes in and out. And with my fighterpools still almost empty I can´t really do anything about the CAP itself. If I´m going to do anything here it will be with the CV fleet. I´m looking into that!

85% of the sub fleet is currently stuck repairing damage. Don´t have many left operational. 20 perhaps. [:(]
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ORIGINAL: JeffK
Maybe Dr Doolittle mentions Valhalla, for those interested in accuracy FDR used "Shangri La" as the base for Doolittle

Good to know! [:)]
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Congrats on the baby news Jocke! Will be interesting to see how much free time you have when the second bundle of joy arrives [:)]

You've mentioned not being able to get at the shipping in Bangkok. What about grabbing the coastal bases SE and SW of Bangkok (i'm assuming both both bases can be used to fly strike missions as I don't have the game open in front of me) and limiting the range on your stike aircraft? If you get both bases and limit the range to 2 that should be enough to close off sea access and avoid being dragged into the CAP. Even if you only get patrol aircraft in these bases on naval attack it would make your opponents job much trickier plus lighting up targets for your remaining subs
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Congrats on the baby news Jocke! Will be interesting to see how much free time you have when the second bundle of joy arrives [:)]

You've mentioned not being able to get at the shipping in Bangkok. What about grabbing the coastal bases SE and SW of Bangkok (i'm assuming both both bases can be used to fly strike missions as I don't have the game open in front of me) and limiting the range on your stike aircraft? If you get both bases and limit the range to 2 that should be enough to close off sea access and avoid being dragged into the CAP. Even if you only get patrol aircraft in these bases on naval attack it would make your opponents job much trickier plus lighting up targets for your remaining subs

Thank you! [:)] I predict spare time to go from almost nothing to nothing! Hope I´m wrong though...

I´m already moving down on the coast to do just that. I did grab some of the inland bases that could perhaps have launched a strike. But supply still refuses to flow I´m afraid. I sortied the CVs to force Erik to either turn back or unload at some of the bases in southern Thailand.

I´m a bit worried about having the CV squadron resizing at sea though. Not sure they will resizes while at sea but I bet the new squadrons will arrive right on deck. That could potentially overload the CVs making them unable to conduct flight OPS.

Anyone knows what happens?
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I´m a bit worried about having the CV squadron resizing at sea though. Not sure they will resizes while at sea but I bet the new squadrons will arrive right on deck. That could potentially overload the CVs making them unable to conduct flight OPS.

Anyone knows what happens?

You can manually turn off the re-sizing option for ALL air groups. Your just have to go through each group.
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I´m a bit worried about having the CV squadron resizing at sea though. Not sure they will resizes while at sea but I bet the new squadrons will arrive right on deck. That could potentially overload the CVs making them unable to conduct flight OPS.

Anyone knows what happens?

You can manually turn off the re-sizing option for ALL air groups. Your just have to go through each group.

Yeah, but the new squadrons arriving looks like they will arrive straight to the flight deck. If they do that will overload the CVs and they will be unable to conduct flight ops. Or do the CVs need to be in a friendly base for them to arrive? I seem to remember resizes at least need to be at a friendly base?
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RE: Battle for Bangkok begins!

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Bumping myself here a bit. Does anyone know if the squadrons set to arrive directly to the CVs will do so even if the CVs aren´t in port? If they do the CVs will be overloaded and unable to fly combat OPs. This because the squadrons set to downsize won´t do so unless the CVs are in port.
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