UPDATE ON NEW PATCH.

[Hellfirejet]

What do you guys think about Cruiser's now having limited bombardment capability ?

[bob.]

Didn't have a big impact for me. The AI is so terrible at using its naval forces, it doesn't matter and I only harassed some Serbians along the coast with my cruiser. But I don't see why it would be a bad change so I'll just say I like it!

By the way, how's your mod coming along?

[Hellfirejet]

The naval AI is in the pipeline,to be overhauled for the next patch,I'm working behind the scenes with the software wiz kid,on fixing a number of AI decision making & Tactical improvements watch this space.[;)]

As for my massive mod, it has been put to the side for the time being,I have been much too busy trying to get this patch out before xmas,but the mod will be ready to play early in the new year.[:D]

[Dorb]

Take your time, with all the other update/patches that were just released by Matrix, we should be good for awhile. [;)]

[catwhoorg]

I quite liked the cruiser bombardment. Gave them a use rather than sitting idle. Used more in the med than anywhere else.

[suprass81]

Do I can ocuppy cities with small garrisons with my stronger units. I can't disband them and can't switch with other units... Maybee there should be a possibility to disband them...

[bob.]

ORIGINAL: suprass81

Do I can ocuppy cities with small garrisons with my stronger units. I can't disband them and can't switch with other units... Maybee there should be a possibility to disband them...

Yeah, I also found that annoying. If this is a deliberate decision I would suggest to rethink it as I don't see any reason why it should be the case.

[Hellfirejet]

Small Garrison are a freebie in game,they cost nothing in Production Points,they cost nothing in manpower,they cost nothing in upkeep,you don't need to build them,they are already in situe protecting your behind the lines cities, they are stronger in defense than every other land unit apart from Infantry.They don't interfere with Capital city or port city deployments.They are designed as a static defense in what were previously undefended cities,that would have required the gamer to build new units to protect these undefended cities.If they cost you no Production points,manpower or upkeep in the first place, how can you expect to recoup something that cost you nothing by disbanding them.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: bob.

ORIGINAL: suprass81

Do I can ocuppy cities with small garrisons with my stronger units. I can't disband them and can't switch with other units... Maybee there should be a possibility to disband them...

Yeah, I also found that annoying. If this is a deliberate decision I would suggest to rethink it as I don't see any reason why it should be the case.

warspite1

That's not clever is it?

[Hellfirejet]

Well I think it is clever![:@]

They were designed from scratch, to represent your Countries older population, who are to old for front line duties, think of them as Home Guard / Militia protecting there own City. That is why they have no movement, they are protecting there own City!!

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: kirk23

Well I think it is clever![:@]

They were designed from scratch, to represent your Countries older population, who are to old for front line duties, think of them as Home Guard / Militia protecting there own City. That is why they have no movement, they are protecting there own City!!

warspite1

Easy tiger!

I know what they were designed for and they are a useful addition to the game. What is not clever is that when you want to desperately hold on to an important city (which you can do ordinarily by putting better quality units in and/or cycling units to ensure a full strength garrison is maintained) you can't. If I have read this right, you just sit there and wait for the unit (and the city) to be taken....

Sorry, but imo, that element is not very clever.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: kirk23

Well I think it is clever![:@]

They were designed from scratch, to represent your Countries older population, who are to old for front line duties, think of them as Home Guard / Militia protecting there own City. That is why they have no movement, they are protecting there own City!!

warspite1

Easy tiger!

I know what they were designed for and they are a useful addition to the game. What is not clever is that when you want to desperately hold on to an important city (which you can do ordinarily by putting better quality units in and/or cycling units to ensure a full strength garrison is maintained) you can't. If I have read this right, you just sit there and wait for the unit (and the city) to be taken....

Sorry, but imo, that element is not very clever.

warspite1

A fix could be this. These units cannot move or be disbanded BUT they can be "improved" by paying PP to upgrade them to a Garrison or Infantry unit - effectively representing reinforcing a key city when about to be attacked.

[suprass81]

Simply- disband option without any resources back... If there is no way to defend cities by other stronger units I would like there be no small garrisons...
The idea is good but only with disband option or some kind of upgrade like Warspite1 said...

[operating]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: kirk23

Well I think it is clever![:@]

They were designed from scratch, to represent your Countries older population, who are to old for front line duties, think of them as Home Guard / Militia protecting there own City. That is why they have no movement, they are protecting there own City!!

warspite1

Easy tiger!

I know what they were designed for and they are a useful addition to the game. What is not clever is that when you want to desperately hold on to an important city (which you can do ordinarily by putting better quality units in and/or cycling units to ensure a full strength garrison is maintained) you can't. If I have read this right, you just sit there and wait for the unit (and the city) to be taken....

Sorry, but imo, that element is not very clever.

warspite1

A fix could be this. These units cannot move or be disbanded BUT they can be "improved" by paying PP to upgrade them to a Garrison or Infantry unit - effectively representing reinforcing a key city when about to be attacked.

Feel as though small garrison is going to be a PITA, if it cannot step aside to let other units occupy city hex. Placing fighters or artillery there comes to mind. Been out of the loop for a while cause my PC died. Have not tried playing on this new PC yet with 1.40, but would small garrisons interfere with troop transports embarking/disembarking?

[bob.]

Kirk, I wasn't asking to disband them for a gain, just without any gain at all in order to make room for another unit. I understand that disbanding them for any kind of PP or MP gain would make no sense.
What I meant was that I see no reason why they should not be able to be disbanded in general, other than if there is a technical problem making them disbandable without any benefits.

[Hellfirejet]

Small Garrison do not interfere with troop transports Embarking / Disembarking.

[Hellfirejet]

Ok I give in, I will give them movement that way you can have full control over them,move them out of cities do what you like with them.

[Hellfirejet]

I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time, I stupidly thought I could help improve this game,not only have I wasted months of my life,I have neglected my wife in the process, by spending countless hours playing this thing.

[operating]

ORIGINAL: kirk23

I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time, I stupidly thought I could help improve this game,not only have I wasted months of my life,I have neglected my wife in the process, by spending countless hours playing this thing.I'm not about to waste any more time I'm out off here I've had enough!

Your ideas are "Absolutely creditable", weather the storm as to how small garrisons effect the game, (take a break), Stand pat with what has been accomplished to date, it has been nothing short of a good faith effort, that everyone in the world get's to enjoy. You should get some satisfaction in "that". For one----Thank you....

[Wolfe1759]

Firstly - Kirk thanks for all the work and the improvements in this patch. I've only been playing CTGW for a few weeks and I like the developments that have been made.

However - Small Garrisons, good idea but they might not be working quite right, this is a Beta after all. My preference, keep them immobile but make them disbandable, probably at no PP gain for the player. I don't know what balance or AI implications this would have so I'll leave that to more knowledgeable minds.