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RE: Battle of Burma

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This is probably the least "historical" version of the game (little houserules) that I've played and altough there has been little action, I consider this battle to be very exiting. Since there is no housrule on bombardments of China, I'm prepping my air force to start bombard the Chinese cities. I will focus on cities that I will be unlikely to grasp. If I can take out some HI and LI, this will cripple the Chinese effort considerably. From Port Arthur I had already operating three sentai of Ki-21-Ic bombers that hit the Chinese front in Northern China. In the meantime these have withdrawn out of range. I'm not sure what to do here. I might move the entire air division to China, or only transfer some of the sentai. In Chiang Mai I have three more sentai of Ki-21-IIa which can reach Kunming. There we can do quite some damage. However, the main targets for the 3rd air division will lie in Burma. The main effort has to come from the 4th air division though. This unit is still being build up. Once the Chinese front has been stabilized (I'm on the offensive in the north and there is still a battle for Wenchow taking place), I will start my bombardments. The first attack will be a suprise all out attack and will only take place once I have a little more units. Below you find a current OOB of my bomber force...

Port Arthur - 2nd Air Division
58th Sentai: 27 Ki-21-Ic
61st Sentai: 27 Ki-21-Ic
68th Sentai: 42 Ki-27b
78th Sentai: 36 Ki-27b
7th Sentai: 27 Ki-21-Ic
85th Sentai: 42 Ki-27b

Canton - 4th Air Division
45th Sentai: 27 Ki-21-IIa
10th I.F. Chutai: 12 Ki-27b

Chiang Mai (Thailand) - 3rd Air Division
12th Sentai: 27 Ki-21-IIa
60th Sentai: 27 Ki-21-IIa
62nd Sentai: 27 Ki-21-IIa
1st Sentai: 42 Ki-43-Ic (Rangoon)
11th Sentai: 42 Ki-43-Ic (Rangoon)



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RE: Battle of Burma

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I'm moving the 4th Air Division to Hankow. From here the Ki-21-Ic and Ki-21-IIa bombers can hit the Industrial hart of the Chinese industry directly...
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RE: Battle of Burma

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Khyberbill retreated a lot of Dutch units to the mountains of Bandoeng. So far my attempts to drive them out with 900 AV continue to fail. Congrats to Khyberbill One of the main problems is the 21 Resources and 21 light industry located at Bandoeng. Consequently, Khyberbill can resupply his units and continue to increase fortification levels to 1 after every deliberate attack of the Allied units. A similar suprise is waiting for me at Mindanao and also Christmas Island and Cocos islands lie waiting for me.
The Japanese supreme command is fed up with this! From tomorrow the Japanese Air Force will carry out city bombardment attacks on Bandoeng in order to destroy its LI.

Ground combat at Bandoeng (50,100)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 31058 troops, 328 guns, 201 vehicles, Assault Value = 944

Defending force 24777 troops, 257 guns, 106 vehicles, Assault Value = 495

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese adjusted assault: 525

Allied adjusted defense: 541

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2051 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 218 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 28 (2 destroyed, 26 disabled)
Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1505 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 105 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 23 (5 destroyed, 18 disabled)

Assaulting units:
56th Recon Regiment
55th Infantry Regiment
42nd Infantry Regiment
15th Ind Engineer Regiment
114th Infantry Regiment
16th Infantry Regiment
2nd Raiding Regiment
56th Infantry Regiment
22nd Recon Regiment
21st Infantry Regiment
4th Ind Engineer Regiment
1st Raiding Regiment
6th Tank Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
16th Army
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
31st Field AA Battalion

Defending units:
4th KNIL Regiment
Tjilatjap KNIL Battalion
2nd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
2nd KNIL Regiment
1st KNIL Regiment
3rd KNIL Landstorm Battalion
Mobiele Eenheid Battalion
4th KNIL Landstorm Battalion
Barisan KNIL Regiment
KNI Zeemacht
ABDA
Kendari Base Force
1st KNIL Landstorm Battalion
Samarinda Base Force
Batavia KM Base Force
Tjilitap KM Base Force
Andir ML Base Force
3rd KNIL AA Battalion
NI-MLD
KNI Leger /1

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RE: Battle of Burma

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One of the main problems is the 21 Resources and 21 light industry located at Bandoeng. Consequently, Khyberbill can resupply his units and continue to increase fortification levels to 1 after every deliberate attack of the Allied units.

I think resources stop producing once there is an enemy LCU in the hex. But he probably has many weeks of resources stock-piled.

A single airfield supply hit, by a 250kg bomb, will destroy at least a days worth of production from the LI. It is probably more effective to keep hitting the airfield and just be patient.
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RE: Battle of Burma

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ORIGINAL: Spidery
One of the main problems is the 21 Resources and 21 light industry located at Bandoeng. Consequently, Khyberbill can resupply his units and continue to increase fortification levels to 1 after every deliberate attack of the Allied units.

I think resources stop producing once there is an enemy LCU in the hex. But he probably has many weeks of resources stock-piled.

A single airfield supply hit, by a 250kg bomb, will destroy at least a days worth of production from the LI. It is probably more effective to keep hitting the airfield and just be patient.

Bombarding the airfield is probably the best way to go, but I'm also evaluating how successfull a bombing China campaign is going to be before I'm fully going to commit there...
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RE: Battle of Burma

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Bombing the airfield means his engineers have to repair that before building forts (and you might get supply hits).
Bombing the LI means his engineers are free to build forts - but eventually with less supplies to sustain a defence.

I myself am not sure what affects the adjusted AV of the defender most - the forts or the supply status of the units?
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RE: Battle of Burma

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ORIGINAL: FOW

Bombing the airfield means his engineers have to repair that before building forts (and you might get supply hits).
Bombing the LI means his engineers are free to build forts - but eventually with less supplies to sustain a defence.

I myself am not sure what affects the adjusted AV of the defender most - the forts or the supply status of the units?

Since my bombers didn't hit any of the LI's, I'm going for the airfield now...
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RE: Battle of Burma

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Is it me, or is HI much more easy to destroy than LI?
Several raids in China gave me 0 LI destroyed (maybe FOW) while in one run I destroyed 7 HI.

This would make sense as big factories are much easier to destroy than small local business...
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RE: Battle of Burma

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ORIGINAL: dennishe

Is it me, or is HI much more easy to destroy than LI?
Several raids in China gave me 0 LI destroyed (maybe FOW) while in one run I destroyed 7 HI.

This would make sense as big factories are much easier to destroy than small local business...

Don't know about that but I have been amazed how bad the Sally is at hitting resources.

In China, I find hitting manpower and allowing the fires to damage whatever they will is most effective.
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RE: Battle of Burma

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Also bombing only damages factories, whereas fires will do both damage and permanently destroy some.

For Bandoeng stick to airfield.
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RE: Battle of Burma

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ORIGINAL: FOW

Also bombing only damages factories, whereas fires will do both damage and permanently destroy some.

For Bandoeng stick to airfield.

Now I was refering to China. My strategic bombardment of Chinese LI has started. AFter a few runs, the Ki-21-IIa's starting to hit stuff.
At Bandoeng I'm indeed going for the airfield bombardment. Moreover, this gives some more supplies here, which is convenient as I'm expanding the HI at Batavia and Soerabaja somewhat. Java produces oil, resources and supply and therefore is the perfect location to expand the HI. Especially if the Allied do not capture it...
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RE: Battle of Burma

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Bombing the LI and HI in China I think has worked for me in my game against witpqs. I have committed pretty much the entire Japanese air force to this task. As much as possible I tried to concentrate on a target with as many bombers as possible and bomb it until LI and HI were fully damaged. On the mouse over, they never show fully damaged so once it gets down to about 10% of what shows, it is probably enough. One thing I would do over would be to put some on bombing the airfields as well. I ran into a few cities with forts and it slowed me down. I also flew at 6k. This seemed to increase the hit rate. If there was flak, I did not worry because it uses supplies and is a good indication of when they were out of supplies. Provided you do not run into Allied Fighters, the crews will get better quickly. If you run into fighters, take your lumps, replenish with raw recruits and know those flight ops just cost the Allies valuable supplies. Make sure the groups are maxed out on pilots. In Nov 1943, I still fly every day in China (mostly ground attacks now) with 10% set to rest. It takes a while but it will help. You also need to plan to ship supplies to China because you will not benefit from captured HI or LI.

Enjoying this AAR. Thanks for posting!

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RE: Battle of Burma

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ORIGINAL: Andav


Bombing the LI and HI in China I think has worked for me in my game against witpqs. I have committed pretty much the entire Japanese air force to this task. As much as possible I tried to concentrate on a target with as many bombers as possible and bomb it until LI and HI were fully damaged. On the mouse over, they never show fully damaged so once it gets down to about 10% of what shows, it is probably enough. One thing I would do over would be to put some on bombing the airfields as well. I ran into a few cities with forts and it slowed me down. I also flew at 6k. This seemed to increase the hit rate. If there was flak, I did not worry because it uses supplies and is a good indication of when they were out of supplies. Provided you do not run into Allied Fighters, the crews will get better quickly. If you run into fighters, take your lumps, replenish with raw recruits and know those flight ops just cost the Allies valuable supplies. Make sure the groups are maxed out on pilots. In Nov 1943, I still fly every day in China (mostly ground attacks now) with 10% set to rest. It takes a while but it will help. You also need to plan to ship supplies to China because you will not benefit from captured HI or LI.
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RE: Battle of Burma

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Thanks for following!

Slowly my Ki-21-Ic and Ki-21-IIa bombers start to hit stuff. So far I'm only hitting Chungking and since I'm flying from Hankow I can use a 42 squadron Ki-43-Ic's as a fighter cover. I haven't seen any enemy fighters yet and I'm not expecting much resistance as already quite some P40s from the AVG were shot down by Zero fighters.

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The Allies knew that I was coming for Horn Island (Khyberbill mentioned in our email conversation). While the invasion fleet, escorted by the Kongo and Haruna is still miles away, Khyberbill send in a mixed Dutch/American surface task force to intercept. Right at this moment KB turn up from the southeast, where it chose a path far away from most Allied submarines. Apparently it wasn't spotted. To bad that she didn't get more kills. Nevertheless, tomorrow there is a new day...

Morning Air attack on TF, near Portland Roads at 93,132

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
B5N2 Kate x 57
D3A1 Val x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 4 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
CL De Ruyter, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Java, Torpedo hits 1
CA Chester, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Sumatra, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Boise
CL Leander
CL Tromp
CA Northampton, Bomb hits 1
CL Trenton
DD Sims
DD Hammann, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
26 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL De Ruyter

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RE: Battle of Burma

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Tricksy, nasty, good one!
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RE: Battle of Burma

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More carnage [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

Morning Air attack on TF, near Cooktown at 92,137

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 45
B5N2 Kate x 67
D3A1 Val x 40

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 3 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CA Chester, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Java, Torpedo hits 1
CA Northampton, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Trenton
CL Boise, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CL Leander, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CL Sumatra, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1
DD Sims, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CL Tromp, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD O'Brien, Bomb hits 1
DD Mustin
DD Anderson

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
17 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
17 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
49th PG/7th PS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CA Chester
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Tromp
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL Boise

Morning Air attack on TF, near Cooktown at 93,134

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
B5N2 Kate x 27
D3A1 Val x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Walke, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL De Ruyter, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hammann, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring an Allied CA
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CL De Ruyter
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RE: Battle of Burma

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That is a nice day's work. Well done
Sometimes things said in Nitwit sound very different in English.
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RE: Battle of Burma

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And while the 38th division sweeps up Horn Island....[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

Morning Air attack on TF, near Townsville at 92,144

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
D3A1 Val x 9

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 6
P-38E Lightning x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
D3A1 Val: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IA: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Walke, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


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Afternoon Air attack on Cooktown , at 92,137

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 42
B5N2 Kate x 112
D3A1 Val x 82

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 3 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Northampton, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Tromp, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Sumatra, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Boise, Bomb hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Leander, Bomb hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Trenton, Bomb hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Chester, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Java, Bomb hits 15, heavy fires
DD Russell, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD O'Brien, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Mustin, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD Anderson, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hughes, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Port hits 22
Port fuel hits 8
Port supply hits 3

Massive explosion on DD O'Brien
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RE: Battle of Burma

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Although the operation in the Coral Sea have been a great success, the CL Kashii was lost due to an enemy submarine [:(]

Sub attack near Port Moresby at 98,132

Japanese Ships
CL Kashii, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS KXI

CL Kashii is sighted by SS KXI
SS KXI launches 4 torpedoes



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