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M4 Sherman - 720
M4 Zippo - 50
M24 Chaffee - 140
LVT (A)1 - 225
M36 Jackson - 180
A small panzer army. Payback for the first year in China.

Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition


ORIGINAL: witpqs
That's right. The losses were like scraping your knuckles when changing out your automobile's engine. Something was inevitable but maybe that was more than was necessary. Still the job got done and the 'real' situation is altered as planned because of it.


[/center]ORIGINAL: ny59giants
Just need a 'few' Apache helicopter groups and you're all set.![]()

ORIGINAL: JocMeister
I´ve done some more testing the morning and I still can´t replicate it. That being said I´m not using nowhere near as many enemy TFs or planes for the testing. So far every single test have had them move "as expected".
I´ve kept a separate save of the turn though. When the game is done I´ll ask Erik to run it again and see if I can replicate it "live" sort of speaking.
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
I would give my left pinky to know how close he is to the garrison requirement. 9k?, 10k? 12k? It could go really fast regardless. All it take is one lost major battle and the armor will be all over his retreating troops. He is already down 2 IDs. Fighting in mostly clear hexes against Allied late war LCUs while suffering negative supply modifiers...one retreat and the pursuing allied Armor could wreck thousands of AV in a couple of days. There are good roads in Korea and Armor will move at 1 hex per turn on those roads so he can´t outrun them.
I´ll try and secure the southern part of Korea and see what kind of resistance he throws up. Erik is hard to read sometimes. Going by his usual MO he will Superstack around Keijo. If he does the terrain will make it hard for me to inflict casualties. There is a line with x3 terrain across entire Korea there. But if he moves to the south in force meeting me in the clear terrain his losses could become horrendous pretty fast. If so I will throw everything I got at him and see what happens!
I guess I will let Eriks actions decide how I should play this. Given the opportunity I will certainly try and wreck as much AV as possible!
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
You can't know how close until the switch flips. So don't worry about it. I would spend an hour or two dong everything in the USSR possible pre-activation pilot-wise, airframe swapping-wise, fort-building-the-border-wise. I think you said you had kept up with the Soviets all along, but now is the time to issue activation orders. Check your COs too.
If you think Keijo is likely try to use the armor to get around and play anvil to the IDs', especially the USMC IDs, hammer. Put the bombers on Ground and not AF. He'll burn supply in the defense battles. AV can die cheaply from the air. Open terrain is nice, but work with what you have.
Use up your armor if you have to achieve activation. Once you get it the Sovs have more tanks than you can ever use in the time you have left. If you go for early-activation don't be subtle or slow. Smash and move.



ORIGINAL: koniu
Do You accepting situation that soviets are using US controlled AF or vice versa.
(Personally i will allow Soviets to fly from Soviets controlled fields only,the same with Western allies planes as it will simulate how this looks in reality).
Soviets and USA are maybe officially allies but Cold War start in day Berlin fall.


ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
RE the Soviet air forces, when I've played them in AI the air game is just a distraction. It's a hard adjustment to make, but the planes just slow the advance down. Nothing in the game comes close to what playing the 1945 Red Army is like. You have to adjust your mindset a lot to the scale of what you have available. The artillery is just massive, for one. Take a minute and go look at the OOB.
The question isn't how to beat Japan; it's just where to drive the bus. A stack with 5000 late-war tanks and 60 heavy arty units is easy to amass. Nothing on land matches a motor-rifle division. The sappers melt forts like butter. By the time you clear a major city (days, not weeks) and build an AF you can be two or three big cities down the track. The air forces are not needed. What you do need in the air is a little recon, a little naval search, and support for whatever the Red Fleet is going to be up to. The ground-pounders don't need the help.
Until you've wielded that sword you won't get it. You think the USMC divisions are great? Check out a Guards Tank Army.


Ground combat at 101,54 (near Moppo)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 18532 troops, 90 guns, 2743 vehicles, Assault Value = 1484
Defending force 18422 troops, 215 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 517
Allied adjusted assault: 548
Japanese adjusted defense: 57
Allied assault odds: 9 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
4503 casualties reported
Squads: 323 destroyed, 154 disabled
Non Combat: 412 destroyed, 74 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 123 (76 destroyed, 47 disabled)
Units retreated 6
Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 74 (2 destroyed, 72 disabled)
Ground combat at Canton (77,59)
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 95064 troops, 1671 guns, 1362 vehicles, Assault Value = 3390
Defending force 14657 troops, 179 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 399
Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
9th Indian Division
41st Infantry Division
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
IV Corps Engineer Battalion
5th Chinese Corps
14th Army Engineer Battalion
14th Indian Division
26th Indian Division
36th British Division
XXXIII Corps Engineer Battalion
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
5th Indian Division
6th Mixed A/T Mtr Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
8th Belfast Heavy Regiment
III Indian Corps
Southeast Asia
85th Medium Regiment
134th (East Ang) Regiment
1st Indian Medium Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
18th SP Field Artillery Regiment
163rd Light AA Regiment
86th Medium Regiment
134th Medium Regiment
Defending units:
17th Ind.Mixed Brigade
7th Guards Inf. Regiment
37th Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th South Seas Det.
Canton Special Base Force
7th Base Force
Ground combat at 81,58 (near Kanhsien)
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 83240 troops, 1747 guns, 1491 vehicles, Assault Value = 3104
Defending force 138356 troops, 1453 guns, 760 vehicles, Assault Value = 4098
Japanese ground losses:
799 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 70 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 6 disabled
Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
You look at Canton/HK and see a big AF. I see a huge port that is a sponge for east/central China. And another nice shipyard to help out Manila with the load.
Supply in Korea is about 250,000 light for a major 4E campaign IMO. It's expensive to get in right now. Don't starve the doggies. Give the IDs and armor first crack.
Fusan might have some supply to steal?

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Morning Air attack on Chinhae , at 103,54
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes
Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 11
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 3
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-83 x 3
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 41
Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 4 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
32 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 32000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Chinhae , at 103,54
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 48 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes
Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 15
Ki-83 x 12
Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 42
Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 4 destroyed
Ki-83: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
Aircraft Attacking:
26 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 32000 feet
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Morning Air attack on Chinkai Naval Base Force, at 103,54 (Chinhae)
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 5
Ki-83 x 28
Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 66
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
473 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 78 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 30 (2 destroyed, 28 disabled)
Also attacking 78th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 10th Mortar Battalion ...
Also attacking Chinkai Naval Base Force ...
Also attacking 28th Mountain Gun Regiment ...
Ground combat at Canton (77,59)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 103803 troops, 1671 guns, 1530 vehicles, Assault Value = 3412
Defending force 14603 troops, 178 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 392
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5
Allied adjusted assault: 7126 [&o][&o][&o]
Japanese adjusted defense: 401
Allied assault odds: 17 to 1 (fort level 5)
Allied forces CAPTURE Canton !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
6739 casualties reported
Squads: 107 destroyed, 181 disabled
Non Combat: 243 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 38 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 87 (66 destroyed, 21 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 6
Allied ground losses:
754 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 92 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 31 disabled
Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Ground combat at 81,58 (near Kanhsien)
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 83261 troops, 1747 guns, 1491 vehicles, Assault Value = 3108
Defending force 34003 troops, 161 guns, 419 vehicles, Assault Value = 733
Japanese ground losses:
416 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (2 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled[/size]




Morning Air attack on 710th Tank Battalion, at 101,54 , near Moppo
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 14
P1Y2 Frances x 60
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 82
Ki-100-I Tony x 36
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 56 (3 destroyed, 53 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on 762nd Tank Battalion, at 101,54 , near Moppo
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 114
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 29
Ki-100-I Tony x 74
Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 2 damaged
Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 95 (2 destroyed, 93 disabled)
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Morning Air attack on 192nd Tank Battalion, at 101,54 , near Moppo
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 36
Ki-67-Ib Peggy x 11
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 109
Ki-84a Frank x 10
Ki-100-I Tony x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 5 damaged
Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 114 (14 destroyed, 100 disabled)
...and about 5 more strikes


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Ground combat at Masan (102,54)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 13143 troops, 64 guns, 2066 vehicles, Assault Value = 1450
Defending force 108190 troops, 1165 guns, 209 vehicles, Assault Value = 3782
Allied adjusted assault: 214
Japanese adjusted defense: 3713
Allied assault odds: 1 to 17 (fort level 4)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1585 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 115 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 14 (2 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 47 (16 destroyed, 31 disabled)
Vehicles lost 370 (27 destroyed, 343 disabled)
Assaulting units:
706th Tank Battalion
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
766th Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
767th Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
716th Tank Battalion
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
670th Tank Destroyer Battalion
711th Tank Battalion
713th Flame Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn
Defending units:
120th Division
14th Division
57th Division
19th Division
160th Division
140th Infantry Regiment
150th Division
112th Division
30th Infantry Regiment
123rd Division
11th Division
77th Infantry Regiment
96th Division
111th Division
Yosu Fortress
121st Division
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
26th Field Artillery Regiment
29th RF Gun Battalion
76th JAAF AF Bn
Morning Air attack on 69th Division, at 81,57 (Kanhsien)
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 9
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-17F Fortress x 12
B-24D Liberator x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 86
B-25G Mitchell x 10
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 12
Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 30 damaged
B-25G Mitchell: 3 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
1371 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 279 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 102 (14 destroyed, 88 disabled)
Vehicles lost 32 (6 destroyed, 26 disabed

