DBB:C -Stacking to the limits / Cannonfodder (Japan) vs Mundy (Allies)

[njp72]

Very wise comments

ORIGINAL: Sangeli

ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

No, it is what you say, it is what it is... And I'll keep hammering until it is over one way or the other because that's my job playing the evil empire

Yes, this is the right attitude. As long as you're still actively trying to win this game is still interesting and should not end. Still plenty of opportunities for the Allies to get some cheap shots in like they can in early 42.

ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
P.S. I hope my posting isn't getting me into trouble. If my own PBEM would pick up, I'd be running turns, not posting much in other AAR's. [:D]

My thoughts are that it is fine to comment on the style of another persons play as long as you're being honest. If you are going out there and writing an AAR you are inviting people to comment on anything related to the game including the play of each player. If Mundy's or someone else's feelings get hurt from an honest comment about their style so be it. You're not attacking his actual person; only his in-game persona. Totally different things. If people are getting their feelings hurt by it well then maybe they shouldn't be so emotionally invested in this game.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Sangeli

ORIGINAL: Cannonfodder

No, it is what you say, it is what it is... And I'll keep hammering until it is over one way or the other because that's my job playing the evil empire

Yes, this is the right attitude. As long as you're still actively trying to win this game is still interesting and should not end. Still plenty of opportunities for the Allies to get some cheap shots in like they can in early 42.

ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
P.S. I hope my posting isn't getting me into trouble. If my own PBEM would pick up, I'd be running turns, not posting much in other AAR's. [:D]

My thoughts are that it is fine to comment on the style of another persons play as long as you're being honest. If you are going out there and writing an AAR you are inviting people to comment on anything related to the game including the play of each player. If Mundy's or someone else's feelings get hurt from an honest comment about their style so be it. You're not attacking his actual person; only his in-game persona. Totally different things. If people are getting their feelings hurt by it well then maybe they shouldn't be so emotionally invested in this game.

Still, it's very hard not to feel sorry for him.

He is obviously playing his heart out at it and failing time and time again.

It gets painful to watch at times.

His indomitable spirit is certainly admirable.

You deserve to be commended for your ongoing efforts to assist him with your analysis and advice.

[vicberg]

It is getting painful, but I will bet good money that next game for Mundy will be very different. He's learned about Japanese air power into 43. He's learned what Japan can do with the economic system in the hands of a good player (early Tojos for example). He's learned to build up bases he probably would have never dreamed needed building up, like Brisbane. He's learned not to put valuable assets close to the front (or multiple fronts, in this case).

[SqzMyLemon]

Yep, we often learn more from failure than success in the long term.

[Andav]

My thoughts are that it is fine to comment on the style of another persons play as long as you're being honest. If you are going out there and writing an AAR you are inviting people to comment on anything related to the game including the play of each player. If Mundy's or someone else's feelings get hurt from an honest comment about their style so be it. You're not attacking his actual person; only his in-game persona. Totally different things. If people are getting their feelings hurt by it well then maybe they shouldn't be so emotionally invested in this game.

+1

My hope is your opponent will not be upset by any criticism of play style in this AAR. Like Hans said, questioning play style is not questioning who he is as a person.

As the opponent in a long running and what seems to be a well read ARR (witpqs' Rumble in the Southwest), when I finally get to read it, I fully expect to see people questioning many of my moves and my play style. This would include things like "What the heck was he thinking!?!?" or "Certainly he has research XXX aircraft already! Why is he still flying that POS!?!?!" or "Did he really leave that base completely undefended!?!?!?" (I know this one will be there related to CRB since it is exactly what I thought at the time). I don't think I will let these things get to me. I have pretty tough skin. I know I have had some pretty colossal screw ups but I own those completely. I played the game the way I did and have had a lot of fun over the last 4 years and counting. This is what is really important. I just wish RL would get out of the way so I could send more turns.

Wa

[Sangeli]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Still, it's very hard not to feel sorry for him.

He is obviously playing his heart out at it and failing time and time again.

It gets painful to watch at times.

His indomitable spirit is certainly admirable.

You deserve to be commended for your ongoing efforts to assist him with your analysis and advice.

No doubt I have a lot of sympathy for him. I've been in similar positions before...though since then I've learned my lesson and avoid those mistakes. As you say his courage is admirable and I know that if I were in his shoes I'd have thrown in the towel long ago.

But no, I don't deserve to be commended though I appreciate the gesture. I'm just procrastinating at work!

ORIGINAL: vicberg

It is getting painful, but I will bet good money that next game for Mundy will be very different. He's learned about Japanese air power into 43. He's learned what Japan can do with the economic system in the hands of a good player (early Tojos for example). He's learned to build up bases he probably would have never dreamed needed building up, like Brisbane. He's learned not to put valuable assets close to the front (or multiple fronts, in this case).

I hope so. Though I know still has more lessons to learn in this current game. I can tell he still has these grand notions of Allied superiority (or perhaps Mundy superiority) that contradict the facts on the ground. The gap between expectation and reality is narrowing yet but it's still there. Each time CF beats Mundy down he's becoming more humble and more realistic.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Andav

My thoughts are that it is fine to comment on the style of another persons play as long as you're being honest. If you are going out there and writing an AAR you are inviting people to comment on anything related to the game including the play of each player. If Mundy's or someone else's feelings get hurt from an honest comment about their style so be it. You're not attacking his actual person; only his in-game persona. Totally different things. If people are getting their feelings hurt by it well then maybe they shouldn't be so emotionally invested in this game.

+1

My hope is your opponent will not be upset by any criticism of play style in this AAR. Like Hans said, questioning play style is not questioning who he is as a person.

As the opponent in a long running and what seems to be a well read ARR (witpqs' Rumble in the Southwest), when I finally get to read it, I fully expect to see people questioning many of my moves and my play style. This would include things like "What the heck was he thinking!?!?" or "Certainly he has research XXX aircraft already! Why is he still flying that POS!?!?!" or "Did he really leave that base completely undefended!?!?!?" (I know this one will be there related to CRB since it is exactly what I thought at the time). I don't think I will let these things get to me. I have pretty tough skin. I know I have had some pretty colossal screw ups but I own those completely. I played the game the way I did and have had a lot of fun over the last 4 years and counting. This is what is really important. I just wish RL would get out of the way so I could send more turns.

Wa

Getting thoroughly and totally trashed is a right of passage in this game! [:D] Hard to avoid, and it happens to the best of players - dare I say to everyone. Absolutely nothing to be ashamed of.

Embrace the carnage,because at some point you will be dishing it out too! Hopefully.

Plus, everything can be a learning experience. Saving ships, daring withdraws, etc., etc. You can have fun in defeat, if you define victory narrowly enough...can I save this particular ship, etc.

Definitely go for Jets...fielding five hundred or so can really make you smile in 45.

[KenchiSulla]

I got smacked down by Quixote if you all remember....

[KenchiSulla]

Interesting combat result... P47s show up covering TFs unloading at Vava'u.. The A6Ms prevent fighters from intercepting bombers but... 35:1 is a steep price.. I'll have to suspend operations... This serves as a wake up call... Accept the reduced range and high service rating of George fighters..

Morning Air attack on TF, near Vava'u at 141,165

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 37
G3M3 Nell x 12
G4M1 Betty x 16

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 17
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 20 destroyed
G3M3 Nell: 5 damaged
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak
G4M1 Betty: 10 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL St. Louis
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAP William Dunbar, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x G3M3 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
15 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
15th FG/45th FS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(9 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 9 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
348th FG/340th FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 4000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes

[Capt. Harlock]

I think we all like to see fun and competitive games, not one sided blowouts. Then again, someone has to win.

Very true. Normally I'd prefer seeing the Allies do the blowing out, but I have to applaud Cannonfodder's play. Especially since it tends to confirm my belief that the war-winning move was for the Japanese NOT to do the Pearl harbor attack.

[KenchiSulla]

It is becoming harder to gain the upperhand in surface combat. IJN cruisers go in but only do limited damage before allied ships slip away (influence of radar?)


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jul 03, 43
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Vava'u at 141,165, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Aoba
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 1
CA Furutaka
CA Kako
CL Sendai
CL Natori
DD Kamikaze
DD Hayate
DD Suresushio
DD Kosugiri, Shell hits 1
DD Tadeyame
DD Takakaze

Allied Ships
DD Downes, Shell hits 1
DD Selfridge, Shell hits 2
DD Balch, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
xAP Samuel Adams
xAP Smith Thompson
xAP Thomas Nelson, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1
xAP William C. Claiborne, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Reduced sighting due to 0% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 0% moonlight: 6,000 yards
Range closes to 27,000 yards...
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 6,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 6,000 yards
DD Balch engages DD Kosugiri at 6,000 yards
DD Selfridge engages DD Kosugiri at 6,000 yards
DD Downes engages DD Kosugiri at 6,000 yards
DD Kosugiri engages xAP Thomas Nelson at 6,000 yards
DD Balch engages CL Sendai at 6,000 yards
DD Balch engages DD Takakaze at 6,000 yards
DD Kosugiri engages DD Balch at 6,000 yards
DD Kosugiri engages DD Selfridge at 6,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages DD Balch at 6,000 yards
xAP William C. Claiborne sunk by DD Takakaze at 6,000 yards
CL Natori engages DD Balch at 6,000 yards
CL Sendai engages DD Balch at 6,000 yards
DD Takakaze engages DD Selfridge at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
Magazine explodes on DD Balch
DD Balch sunk by CA Kako at 3,000 yards
DD Takakaze engages DD Downes at 3,000 yards
DD Kosugiri engages xAP Thomas Nelson at 3,000 yards
DD Kosugiri engages xAP Smith Thompson at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CA Kako engages DD Selfridge at 2,000 yards
DD Kosugiri engages DD Downes at 2,000 yards
CA Kinugasa engages DD Selfridge at 2,000 yards
CA Aoba engages DD Selfridge at 2,000 yards
CL Natori engages DD Selfridge at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
CA Kako engages DD Selfridge at 3,000 yards
DD Takakaze engages DD Downes at 3,000 yards
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...


Liberators bomb Rabaul from high altitude but pay a heavy price. 15 go down in flames or crash on the return leg...


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Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 22
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 42
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 15

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 17 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Naka, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 25000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 25000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 25000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 25000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 25000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
13th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (5 airborne, 12 on standby, 25 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
32nd Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (5 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 30000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
265th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (7 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 24000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 34
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 12

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 25000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
13th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 25 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 18000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 60 minutes
32nd Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
265th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 4
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 28
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 7

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 8 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 25000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
32nd Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 25 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 18000 and 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
265th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 3
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 27
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 3

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 25000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
32nd Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
13th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 25 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 17000 and 27000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
265th Sentai with Ki-43-IIb Oscar (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 25000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes

[Sangeli]

Wow, what happened with that naval strike? I have never seen such a high percentage of fighters outright destroyed against such a limited number of fighters. And half of the Allied fighters were P-40Es which are inferior to the A6M3a which makes it an even more impressive feat. Either way, you likely sunk The CL Detroit and got the job done. I would not reduce range like you suggest. Because battles like this where you trade planes and pilots for ships are going to help you win the game in the end. You need to be launching spoiler attacks whenever possible to preserve your advantage at sea.

[KenchiSulla]

I haven't seen something like this happen before either. The allied fighters went full for the escorts and really tore into them....

Was about to fall asleep when I got suspicious about heavy rain fall and an untrustworthy drainage.. Turns out I was right, water came pooring in. We managed to limit the flow but I think we need to buy new towels...

Now I'm awake, a beer in my hand. Girlfriend cursed the house but it is really only the second incident where we have some damage in six years.. That is not to bad for a house that is over a century old...

[Lowpe]

Glad you caught the leak in time!

I, too, was curious about the air attack. I would gladly trade fighters like that to get the bombers thru.

I have had it happen once or twice, but have no clue on how to get it to repeat.

Experience differential perhaps, who really know?

[KenchiSulla]

This AAR is not being maintained.. However, I was curious if I established some sort of record for most B29s (or at least 4 engine bombers) shot down in a day?

[Sangeli]

That's a crazy number of B-29s lost! I wouldn't be surprised if that is a new record. You are really making Mundy bleed fighting for India.

[KenchiSulla]

Wake falls but 13 Escort carriers are destroyed...... If I could keep this up..

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 15, 44
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 136,98

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 194
B6N2a Jill x 76
B7A2 Grace x 89
D4Y3 Judy x 100
D4Y4 Judy x 29

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 36
F6F-3 Hellcat x 134
F6F-5 Hellcat x 52

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
B6N2a Jill: 15 destroyed, 13 damaged
B6N2a Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
B7A2 Grace: 15 destroyed, 6 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 2 destroyed by flak
D4Y3 Judy: 12 destroyed, 15 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 3 destroyed by flak
D4Y4 Judy: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CVE Sargent Bay, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Munda
CVE Bismarck Sea, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CVE Makin Island, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CVE Breton, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CVE Santee, Torpedo hits 1
CVE Kwajalein, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Lunga Point, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CVE Admiralty Island, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires
CVE Corregidor, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Tisdale
CVE Roi, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
CVE Bougainville, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Attu, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CVE Matanikau, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CVE Salamaua, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Anzio, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Steamer Bay, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE George E. Davis
CVE Hollandia, Bomb hits 2, on fire
APA Clay, Torpedo hits 2
CVE Barnes, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CL Detroit
DE Dennis
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 133,93

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 131

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 26
F6F-3 Hellcat x 40
F6F-5 Hellcat x 10
TBF-1 Avenger x 18
TBM-1C Avenger x 68

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 2 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 5 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed
TBF-1 Avenger: 7 destroyed, 4 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 25 destroyed, 9 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 3 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima
CA Maya
CV Soryu, Torpedo hits 2
CV Akagi
CV Katsuragi
CV Hiryu
CV Shinano
CV Aso
CV Kasagi
BB Hiei
CV Taiho
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 137,98

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y3 Judy x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y3 Judy: 5 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Stanly
APA Burleson, Bomb hits 1
AKA Starr, Bomb hits 1
APA Grimes, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
84 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
10 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 137,98

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 3 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Stanly
APA Karnes, Torpedo hits 1
AKA Tyrell
DD Stockham

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 133,93

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 125

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 19
F6F-3 Hellcat x 34
F6F-5 Hellcat x 16
TBM-1C Avenger x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed
TBM-1C Avenger: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 133,93

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 103

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 7
TBM-1C Avenger x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 133,93

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 89

Allied aircraft
TBM-1C Avenger x 24

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 9 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 136,98

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 171
B6N2a Jill x 81
B7A2 Grace x 60
D4Y3 Judy x 106
D4Y4 Judy x 68

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 31
F6F-3 Hellcat x 82
F6F-5 Hellcat x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 3 destroyed
B6N2a Jill: 7 destroyed, 2 damaged
B6N2a Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
B7A2 Grace: 8 destroyed, 4 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 11 destroyed, 5 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y4 Judy: 4 destroyed, 8 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 6 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Breton, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Santee, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Kasaan Bay, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Barnes, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Hollandia, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
CVE Steamer Bay, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CL Detroit
DE Dennis
CVE Bismarck Sea, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CVE Bougainville, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CVE Lunga Point, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
CVE Roi, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Matanikau, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Makin Island, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
APA Custer
CVE Salamaua, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CVE Anzio, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Melvin, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
CVE Attu, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Munda, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Mertz, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD McNair

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 137,98

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 16
D4Y3 Judy x 19

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
D4Y3 Judy: 13 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 3 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
APA New Kent, Bomb hits 2
DD Stevens
APA Noble, Bomb hits 1, on fire
APA Granville, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AKA Starr, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Stockham

Allied ground losses:
184 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

[Sangeli]

Nicely done! That's a huge victory right there. Where were the Allied CVs during this exchange?

[obvert]

Yeeeouch! You're definitely hitting the Jeep carriers hard. Where is the Death Star and why is he escorting with just CVEs? Or rather not placing the DS out in front?

Keep it up!

[Sangeli]

ORIGINAL: obvert
Or rather not placing the DS out in front?

From Mundy's AAR it seems that the KB attacked from the north east of Wake. Putting the DS in front would not have helped!